Roberts vs. Cano

[jtk4]

Originally Posted by JonStephen

On Pedroia: You guys all touted Cano as the best second baseman in the american league after two years.....

On Kinsler: Cano has been hitting in the best lineup in baseball the past four years....the only reason they aren't as potent this year is because of injuries (and maybe age)

And both are young as well.....

Bad points on Kinsler and Pedroia.....lets stick to Roberts since you have an outside shot on making a case for Cano there

Cano is younger then Kinsler and 10 months older the Pedroia. Nice bid though.

[JonStephen]

Originally Posted by kfitz73

On Kinsler: Kinsler bats leadoff and gets protected by guys like Young, Bradley, & Hamilton. Cano gets protected (if you can call it that) by Melky, Molina, & Gardner... On past teams he batted 8th or 9th so it's not the same comparison... Put Cano in front of Jeter, Abreu, & A-Rod and his numbers would be off the charts. Cano just doesn't walk enough and doesn't have the speed so it's a bad fit...

On Pedroia: And your putting him there after barely 1.5 yrs... You should know better than to annoint players in the middle of seasons. You saw what happened when you praised Roberts & dismissed Cano last May and how did that end up? You still didn't address how Pedroia has benefited from hitting in front of argueably one of the greatest hitting duos of all time...

I'm not gonna keep going on this since you're both beating dead horses....if Cano was as good a hitter as you both say he is, he'd be hitting at the top of the lineup regardless of the team. The reason both Torre and Girardi bury him at the bottom is because he can't handle the top of the lineup. If two coaches won't give him a shot in a lineup, does that tell you maybe he ain't all that?

Cano is not the best second baseman in the American League. He's not top 3. End of story

[jtk4]

Listen I understand what you are saying about him hitting lower in the lineup but on this team, just like youk this year for the sox, he is more valuable down in the order. If he was hitting better earlier in the year (when the yanks had injuries) I bet he would of been in the three spot, where I think he would be for most teams.


Pedroia is a stud, honestly.

[kfitz73]

Originally Posted by JonStephen

I'm not gonna keep going on this since you're both beating dead horses....if Cano was as good a hitter as you both say he is, he'd be hitting at the top of the lineup regardless of the team. The reason both Torre and Girardi bury him at the bottom is because he can't handle the top of the lineup. If two coaches won't give him a shot in a lineup, does that tell you maybe he ain't all that?

Cano is not the best second baseman in the American League. He's not top 3. End of story

If you say so Jon...

Like I said earlier, Cano isn't fast and he doesn't take walks so putting him at the top of a line-up is just bad baseball. Damon & Jeter are ideal 1 & 2 guys. After that you have Abreu, A-Rod, & Giambi who are all .400 on base guys when they're right. So tell me why would you put Cano in any of those slots? Like jtk4 said, his value is lower in the order. How many players can hit .300 / 20hr / 100 rbi's in the 9 hole? If you gonna say the Yankees line-up is/was stacked, well so are the Red Sox, Tigers, & Rangers... How come their 9 hole guys can't do that?

"No range" Cano 1 for 1 off Beckett and started a sparkling dp in the 2nd... I know you saw that Jonny boy...

[jtk4]

I almost root for cano now. Almost.

[JonStephen]

Originally Posted by kfitz73

If you say so Jon...

Like I said earlier, Cano isn't fast and he doesn't take walks so putting him at the top of a line-up is just bad baseball. Damon & Jeter are ideal 1 & 2 guys. After that you have Abreu, A-Rod, & Giambi who are all .400 on base guys when they're right. So tell me why would you put Cano in any of those slots? Like jtk4 said, his value is lower in the order. How many players can hit .300 / 20hr / 100 rbi's in the 9 hole? If you gonna say the Yankees line-up is/was stacked, well so are the Red Sox, Tigers, & Rangers... How come their 9 hole guys can't do that?

"No range" Cano 1 for 1 off Beckett and started a sparkling dp in the 2nd... I know you saw that Jonny boy...

Did you see the weak comebacker he hit to Lester with the bases loaded and two out?

I did....

[kfitz73]

Originally Posted by JonStephen

Did you see the weak comebacker he hit to Lester with the bases loaded and two out?

I did....

I did...

Along with the 3 hits, 3 rbi's and the majestic homer yesterday....

Good times!

[jtk4]

kinsler could be done for the year with a sports hernia.


Fuckin pussy.

[JonStephen]

since when does an athlete gets injured? what a wimp

[lolahotass]

I heard if you don't take care of a hernia it will drop into your balls...?

[JonStephen]

Originally Posted by jtk4

Coming from the guy that was touting the NL west as the best in baseball last year.

I don't know how I coulda missed this one...you're actually trying to knock me down when I claimed at the beginning of last year that the NL West was the best in the NL? (I claimed AL East was the best which you know full well).

What I'd like to know is if you realize who made the world series and what division they were from.......and who made that unpopular statement against the mass posters getting their info from the daily news against the NL East

but jtk knows baseball better then I because espn.com is just a keystroke in the toolbar away

[jtk4]

Originally Posted by JonStephen

since when does an athlete gets injured? what a wimp

Brady and mcnabb played football with one. Pussy.


I am just fuckin around calling him a pussy, I have had a hernia and it sucks.

[jtk4]

Originally Posted by JonStephen

I don't know how I coulda missed this one...you're actually trying to knock me down when I claimed at the beginning of last year that the NL West was the best in the NL? (I claimed AL East was the best which you know full well).

What I'd like to know is if you realize who made the world series and what division they were from.......and who made that unpopular statement against the mass posters getting their info from the daily news against the NL East

but jtk knows baseball better then I because espn.com is just a keystroke in the toolbar away

Huh?

You claimed that that the west was the best in like june. You also said something like the padres rotation would dominate in the AL and that was with maddux and fat boy wells. The rockies got smoked in the world series and if toronto or the angels or any other middle of the road AL team was in that terrible division that year they would of won the division by 20 games.

[JonStephen]

sooooo....here we are at the end of the year and Cano is being benched for lack of hustle along with being an inferior player compared to Roberts as well as Kinsler and Pedroia

He's proved he wasn't as good the last two years even though he was doing better at the pretty home run and rbi categories that had half this board convinced otherwise, and he isn't helping his cause at all this year. He's shown he truly is nothing more then a little better then mediocre 2Ber

Point has been proven by the play on the field

[kfitz73]

Originally Posted by JonStephen

sooooo....here we are at the end of the year and Cano is being benched for lack of hustle along with being an inferior player compared to Roberts as well as Kinsler and Pedroia

He's proved he wasn't as good the last two years even though he was doing better at the pretty home run and rbi categories that had half this board convinced otherwise, and he isn't helping his cause at all this year. He's shown he truly is nothing more then a little better then mediocre 2Ber

Point has been proven by the play on the field

LOL...

So one bad year determines a career, huh?? I really wish I had your insight, especially when the debate was Jeter vs Nomar? I will grant you that as of now Pedroia is a better player, especially with his likely MVP award coming. However, like I said before, Cano's 2 best seasons are better than any season Roberts & Kinsler have ever had... As bad of a year as Cano has had (along with every position player on the Yankees for that matter), you simply can't dispute that...

Have fun in the playoffs...