NO WMD:David Kay leaving empty handed

[jamiroguy1]

David Kay leaving empty handed



By Matthew Riemer
YellowTimes.org Columnist (United States)

(YellowTimes.org) – The man the Bush administration put in charge of finding Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, David Kay, announced this week that he is stepping down from his post sometime early in 2004. Kay heads the Iraq Survey Group (ISG), which is currently scouring Iraq for signs of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. The former U.N. weapons inspector cited the duration of the inspections as one of his reasons for leaving; Kay had originally believed that the entire procedure would be completed in six months time, putting the completion date around the first of the year.

When evaluating the post-war inspections process in Iraq and the by now cliché saga of the weapons of mass destruction story, it is instructive to look deeper and ask what other factors may be forcing David Kay to step down as the ISG head.

Is Kay's departure a rolling back of the administration's focus on WMD as one of its primary points of vindication in its defense of its decision to go to war, especially now that President Bush has declared their existence irrelevant?

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http://yellowtimes.org/article.php?s...thread&order=0

[mr mahs]

Originally posted by jamiroguy1
David Kay leaving empty handed



By Matthew Riemer
YellowTimes.org Columnist (United States)

(YellowTimes.org) – The man the Bush administration put in charge of finding Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, David Kay, announced this week that he is stepping down from his post sometime early in 2004. Kay heads the Iraq Survey Group (ISG), which is currently scouring Iraq for signs of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. The former U.N. weapons inspector cited the duration of the inspections as one of his reasons for leaving; Kay had originally believed that the entire procedure would be completed in six months time, putting the completion date around the first of the year.

When evaluating the post-war inspections process in Iraq and the by now cliché saga of the weapons of mass destruction story, it is instructive to look deeper and ask what other factors may be forcing David Kay to step down as the ISG head.

Is Kay's departure a rolling back of the administration's focus on WMD as one of its primary points of vindication in its defense of its decision to go to war, especially now that President Bush has declared their existence irrelevant?

Full Article
http://yellowtimes.org/article.php?s...thread&order=0

Word of advice...9 out of 10 times these .org websites are as effective as a lamb skin condom in a hore house. It's funny how your little website didn't read Kay's report in October which details what material they found and the actions taken pre and post war to conceal and cover up what they didn't want anyone to see... Here is a little piece taken from the speech...

What have we found and what have we not found in the first 3 months of our work?

We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in late 2002. The discovery of these deliberate concealment efforts have come about both through the admissions of Iraqi scientists and officials concerning information they deliberately withheld and through physical evidence of equipment and activities that ISG has discovered that should have been declared to the UN. Let me just give you a few examples of these concealment efforts, some of which I will elaborate on later:

· A clandestine network of laboratories and safehouses within the Iraqi Intelligence Service that contained equipment subject to UN monitoring and suitable for continuing CBW research.

· A prison laboratory complex, possibly used in human testing of BW agents, that Iraqi officials working to prepare for UN inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the UN.

· Reference strains of biological organisms concealed in a scientist's home, one of which can be used to produce biological weapons.

· New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF), and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN.

· Documents and equipment, hidden in scientists' homes, that would have been useful in resuming uranium enrichment by centrifuge and electromagnetic isotope separation (EMIS).

· A line of UAVs not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 km, 350 km beyond the permissible limit.

· Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited SCUD variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the UN.

· Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1000 km -- well beyond the 150 km range limit imposed by the UN. Missiles of a 1000 km range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets through out the Middle East, including Ankara, Cairo, and Abu Dhabi.

· Clandestine attempts between late-1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300 km range ballistic missiles --probably the No Dong -- 300 km range anti-ship cruise missiles, and other prohibited military equipment.

In addition to the discovery of extensive concealment efforts, we have been faced with a systematic sanitization of documentary and computer evidence in a wide range of offices, laboratories, and companies suspected of WMD work. The pattern of these efforts to erase evidence -- hard drives destroyed, specific files burned, equipment cleaned of all traces of use -- are ones of deliberate, rather than random, acts.

Sounds like Kay found a whole lot... Here is the reference before the conspiracy wood in your concrete skull starts to burn and churn out excuse after excuse to discredit the facts.....

Please read...Look it's even CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/02/kay.report/

[jamiroguy1]

Originally posted by mr mahs
Word of advice...9 out of 10 times these .org websites are as effective as a lamb skin condom in a hore house. It's funny how your little website didn't read Kay's report in October which details what material they found and the actions taken pre and post war to conceal and cover up what they didn't want anyone to see... Here is a little piece taken from the speech...

Sounds like Kay found a whole lot... Here is the reference before the conspiracy wood in your concrete skull starts to burn and churn out excuse after excuse to discredit the facts.....

Please read...Look it's even CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/02/kay.report/

Yep.. It sure sounds like alot but in the end no wmd were found. Sorry, buddy.

I've read the whole report and I haven't found anything in there that says we've found the long list of banned chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons that was claimed to be in Iraq.

[mr mahs]

Originally posted by jamiroguy1
Yep.. It sure sounds like alot but in the end no wmd were found. Sorry, buddy.

I've read the whole report and I haven't found anything in there that says we've found the long list of banned chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons that was claimed to be in Iraq.

I can see the smoke from here....

[marksimons]

'suitable' 'possibly' 'can be used' 'would have been useful' 'not fully declared' 'capability' 'Plans and advanced design work' 'Clandestine attempts'

erm...

any missiles ready to go?

any nukes?

...

this hardly sounds like the spectre of a 'mushroom cloud' that was talked about in America.

Tony Blair told the Parliament of the United Kingdom that Iraq had weapons ready to go in 45 minutes.

he lied. he's fucked.

Mr Blair's assertion, made to British troops in mid-December, that there was "massive evidence of a huge system of clandestine laboratories"

Paul Bremer, the head of the coalition provisional authority in Baghdad, dismissed Mr Blair's claim as a "red herring".

The prime minister made the claim based on the Iraq Survey Group's interim report, published in September, in a Christmas message to troops in which he said the discovery showed Saddam had tried to "conceal weapons".

The ISG is the CIA-led body charged with finding evidence of Iraq's banned weapons programmes.

Yesterday Mr Bremer, unaware the comment had been made by the prime minister, said it was untrue and suggested it was a "red herring" put about by someone opposed to military action to undermine the coalition.

"I don't know where those words come from but that is not what [ISG chief] David Kay has said," he told ITV1's Jonathan Dimbleby programme. "I have read his reports so I don't know who said that. It sounds like a bit of a red herring to me.

"It sounds like someone who doesn't agree with the policy sets up a red herring then knocks it down."

Told the remarks came from Mr Blair, Mr Bremer was forced to row back. "There is actually a lot of evidence that has been made public," he said.

Robin Cook, who has become a formidable backbench critic on the war, said: "If there is massive evidence of clandestine laboratories it does seem rather curious that Paul Bremer, who is running Iraq, doesn't know about it. The truth is the Iraq Survey Group found no evidence of weapons, no delivery systems, no chemical or biological weapons and found no laboratories to produce them.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...113536,00.html

exactly.

programes. plans. designs. clandestine stuff.

but any weapons? anything at all? not one missile? not one?

[jamiroguy1]

Quote from David Kay back in October.
Excerpted from
http://www.dominionpost.com/a/news/2003/10/03/bi/

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''We have not found at this point actual weapons,'' Kay said. ''It does not mean we've concluded there are no actual weapons.''

''In addition to intent, we have found a large body of continuing activities and equipment that were not declared to the U.N. inspectors when they returned in November of last year,'' he said.

He cautioned that the search was still under way and said he should know within six to nine months if there was more to be found.

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Well, essentially his investigation is complete. Where are WMD? I bet Saddam knows where they've gone. We should ask him cause David Kay obviously has no clue.

[mr mahs]

Originally posted by marksimons

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exactly.

programes. plans. designs. clandestine stuff.

but any weapons? anything at all? not one missile? not one?

Isn't that enough?

Isn't the world better off especially in the wake of recent events,with other rogue nations giving up their WMD's?

You bitch that they exist and bitch when force is used to remove them, make up your mind.. The soft power approach is a failure, the 12 years of dilly daddling in Iraq is proof of that..

Sanctions were placed the people suffrered while the Dictator made billions I just donb't get what you people are protesting about...Is it about civilain deaths? Where were your marches when they were putting thousands in mass graves?

Hypocrisy...

[jamiroguy1]

Originally posted by mr mahs
Isn't that enough?

Isn't the world better off especially in the wake of recent events,with other rogue nations giving up their WMD's?

You bitch that they exist and bitch when force is used to remove them, make up your mind.. The soft power approach is a failure, the 12 years of dilly daddling in Iraq is proof of that..

Sanctions were placed the people suffrered while the Dictator made billions I just donb't get what you people are protesting about...Is it about civilain deaths? Where were your marches when they were putting thousands in mass graves?

Hypocrisy...

Is the world better off without a bloody dictator? Of course. I 100% agree with you but that's not what we're talking about. Don't try and deflect the issue.

NO WMD's WERE FOUND.

Oh to answer your question..."isn't that enough? IMO, No it's not enough to justify the war, invasion, and occupation.

[djxeno]

Originally posted by mr mahs
Isn't that enough?

Isn't the world better off especially in the wake of recent events,with other rogue nations giving up their WMD's?

You bitch that they exist and bitch when force is used to remove them, make up your mind.. The soft power approach is a failure, the 12 years of dilly daddling in Iraq is proof of that..

Sanctions were placed the people suffrered while the Dictator made billions I just donb't get what you people are protesting about...Is it about civilain deaths? Where were your marches when they were putting thousands in mass graves?

Hypocrisy...

[jamiroguy1]

Originally posted by mr mahs
You bitch that they exist and bitch when force is used to remove them, make up your mind.. The soft power approach is a failure, the 12 years of dilly daddling in Iraq is proof of that..

Proof that sanctions were working... EDIT: and further proof that the invasion was unjustified
http://slate.msn.com/id/2089471/

(exerpt)
A close reading of the actual, unclassified report—which Kay delivered as testimony on Oct. 2 to a panel of several congressional committees—reveals not only that Bush's critics are closer to the mark, but something much more significant: that Saddam wanted and, in some cases, tried to resurrect the weapons programs that he had built in the 1980s, but that the United Nations sanctions and inspections prevented him from doing so.

[mr mahs]

Originally posted by djxeno

Here he is ladies and gentleman, the dumb laughing with the blind...

[djxeno]

Originally posted by mr mahs
Here he is ladies and gentleman, the dumb laughing with the blind...

[jamiroguy1]

Iraq weapons hunter steps down



Friday 16 January 2004, 4:12 Makka Time, 1:12 GMT

David Kay, the chief US weapons hunter in Iraq, has told the CIA he will not return to his post, a US government source said on Thursday.


If confirmed, critics could seize upon the move as a sign that he has given up hope of finding banned arms.

"He has told the DCI (Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet) that he doesn't want to go back, they have been trying to get him to stay," the source told Reuters on condition of anonymity.

It was unclear whether the CIA had had any success in persuading Kay, who came back to the United States for the Christmas holidays, to stay on the job, the source said.

A CIA spokesman declined to comment. Kay, reached earlier this week, also declined to comment and referred questions about his status to the CIA.

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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...E994082579.htm

[normalnoises]

Mr Mahs...

You are...

[mr mahs]