I dont know, but i went my first rave in 2 years about a month ago and i saw a bunch of bts still around( "punk" ie.) that had robbed friends of mine on the scene in the past b4 i just decided to stick with twilo. so they are definitely around. i remember reading about them as early as 97 or 98 in details that was funny. ughhh. wherever drugs, money, and women are around there will be people like them to muscle their advantage. the will to power. j.