i know exactly what u mean....but just to play devil's advocate... from going up with a hellalot of guidos (north jersey) , if u go to high school with them and inevitably become friends with them....it's not like they're subhuman....they're deffinetly a product of their environment (and if u press them hard enough some have some very intelligent conversation!)...and they have some good common traits like looking out for their friends, loyalty, entertainment (especially when they dance) just thinking of this cuz im drunk and just got back from cielo and it was the biggest guido crowd i've EVER seen there...but still awesome time...hex hector not as bad as i remembered