What happened to Dave Seaman last night????

[Guest genevieve]

I arrived around midnight; and was told he had cancelled. What's up with that?????Anyone know the story........JAMES????????????

[arrakis]

I thought I remember reading from the GU site that Seaman was unsure of showing up; but at least you got to see Deep Dish! I'm sure Dave will be back down soon - I caught him at Groove Jet only a few months ago.

[Nolimit]

Dave Seaman had to cancel due to obligations with Madonna. Don't know exactly.

I heard Anthony Pappa rocked it though. I got some mixed opinions of Deep Dish's set.

[attomic]

I dunno guys. I was kinda dissapointed with the music. It just never really did it for me. There were only brief and short lived times in the blue room when people were really jumping. Though I had a great time with friends. Dave fucked up....I hate no shows.....He is officially on my fecal roster.

[Guest genevieve]

Yeah, I'll never forget this one either!!!!!

[rayclubp]

Yeah, The music was kind of weak it lacked entergy. There were certain points in the night where everyone was vibing but it was kind of disappointing. Does anyone know if Josh Wink showed up or if he played his single "how is your evening so far?"

[Nolimit]

I know exactly what it lacked, the stinking drumrolls and cheezy melodic synths that Miami goes crazy for. This wasn't a TRANCE party.

As for Wink, he was in the other room and to answer your question, he did his track 'how is your evening so far'

[rayclubp]

Bite me man, I knew this was a house party that's why I went. When I want to here house I want to hear it from the best in the business. Anyway most of the crowd was from out of town anyways so there was no cheezy Miami crowd. What do you have against progressive house/trance? Keep comin down on everyone. It's true the groove wasn't there I was so much more feeling level on Saturdays' house renaissance just lacked energy and if you were there you know exactly what I'm talking about. Everybody was waiting for the DJ to bless them and it never really came. What a tease. By the way I think all genres should be respected. What shouldn't be respected are snobbish purists like you who crap on every musical taste that doesn't match your "cutting edge" coolness meter. No Limit get over yourself.

[Nolimit]

No we're talking...

Did anyone else besides Mr Meta4z check out the party on Monday?? I'd like to hear a reliable opinion in regard to the lack of energy that night noticed by meta4z???

Purist, elitist, and whatever else you might call me, I have the upmost respect for all genres of music. Good music is good music no matter what style, genre, or subgenre it is. Anyone that knows me personally will agree.

I'm done discussing these threads with you, it's a waste of time. You don't know what you're talking about.

[This message has been edited by Nolimit (edited 07-06-2000).]

[arrakis]

Yo; peace, both of you! Too bad the night lacked energy... and I believe energy is energy - whether it's house, trance, hip-hop, or drum 'n' bass. But I do feel that Nolimit has a point with the current infatuation with cheesy, simplistic (read ATB) trance (and I'm sure this is not only limited to Miami). Why not push it to the next level? I agree that the likes of Danny Howells, Lee Burridge, Craig Richards, et al. (even Sasha and Diggers) are doing just that. Let's go deeper, funkier; even more beautiful. What does everyone think? Even the former "trance master" BT rejects the genre now; just read any of his current interviews - the man certainly has a point! And some of us (Gen, there's no backing down!) will be lucky enough to witness his skills in just a little over a week's time...

[attomic]

Yes, there is a trend right now in trance. It's popular, plain and simple. But there is a seperation from the underground stuff and lets say, Alice Dee Jay or ATB etc... House and other forms of music suffer the same way. This trance trend will fade and the next victim just might be house.

[Nolimit]

That type of shit happens all the time. Sasha is known for pulling that crap all the time.

I heard from reliable sources that the night was a success and that Renaissance promoters were quite impressed with the club. They want to start doing monthly gigs rotating their djs. That's good news for the scene.

Dave will be back soon enough...

[Nolimit]

I have to disagree with you there Atomic. House is the one that lasted the longest and personally, I don't think it will die.

I'll give you an example. What's the life span of a prog/trance track vs a house track? You can probably play that same house track 1-2 years from now and it will still sound a bit fresh. Take that same trance track and play it out and it will probably make your ears screech.

Tracks that I used to love such as 'Gouryella' and 'Out of the blue' used to make me get boosebumps, if I heard that crap now, I would be heading for the exits.

Hey meta4z, go to www.georgeacosta.com and look at his top 10. Now you know what tracks to go out an buy, but I'm sure you knew that.

ha!

[rayclubp]

First of all you obviously got it wrong I never once said trance was the best or that I don't like house. I know cheez when I hear it but I'm sure a couple of years ago when before trance became commercial you were probably one of those raving about this underground sound. Spare me, house is a steady cultural phenomenom and almost all dance music has evolved from it. I totally respect that house is what created this culture back in London and Detroit. I love house I love trance. But what I love most is a crowd that's energized. You know what I'm saying. The best DJ on the world could be in the booth but if nobody's moving then he is not doing his job. A truly great DJ would get the crowd moving regardless.

[arrakis]

True that; but it's not always the DJ's fault if a crowd isn't energized. For example, a talented progressive house DJ could be spinning some amazing tracks, but say the crowd was more into hardcore trance; so they don't get the vibe, but it's not the DJ's fault! Each DJ has his/her own style (which obviously develops with time), and I don't feel they should sacrifice anything for anyone! If a crowd doesn't like a particular DJ then they should go somewhere else; and vice versa. It's only when there's a "fit" that a tremendous vibe results; unfortunately this isn't often enough! With music and particular tastes as diverse as they are today, the issue in my opinion remains a complex one...

[back2basics]

The other thing is in the last decade house and techno, and now I believe trance, go through cycles.

(sorry this is from my knowledge of the UK scene, not so sure what was going on across here)

If you look back house was popular, then techno then garage then trance then house again and now garage. House was massive then there was a mini backlash, it went underground where the love really is, and re-invented itself.

I think the same thing will happen with trance. @ the moment producers and DJ's are moving away but I can see the trance scene getting smaller and re-inventing and becoming popular again at some point down the road.

What is bad is the people who once were synonymous with trance now turning there backs on it. If you really believe in something why should the state of the scene scare you off?

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[attomic]

I think we are talking apples and oranges here. When I refer to trance I don't mean what you friggin hear on power96 in Miami. That is like saying all house is like those trendy Tori Amos remixes. Trance is way too dynamic and I think some, those who have no clue anymore because they are into some thing else, are only aware of the popular shit. Belgium, Germany, France, Italy, England and Amrerica just to name a few, all have incredible tracks released all the time. All different styles, grooves etc... And I am into what I think is the true house sound from Chicago. I respect both trance, house and most other music.

The real topic here is that SPACE's crowd predominantly likes trance. Many folks showed up expecting trance and they were let down. I expected house and was unimpressed and found the music uninspiring as others did. The fact that Dave was a no show made it worse. So lets drop the Trance vs. House thing. When a place is blowin up its blowin up even if they are palying country.......well maybe not country (-;

[rayclubp]

Right on Attomic you get exactly what I say I've been to phat house music parties and awesome trance parties. But you can't discard trance as a genre just because mello trax gets 64 spins a week on power96. This debate has been going on for years in the hip hop scene as well (new skool vs. old skool vs. commercial) You walk into any hip hop club in Miami and you're going to hear DMX and Biggie at least 5 times in 2 hrs. Is that to say that that encompasses hip hop? No. True heads will know what I'm talking about if they love their music. Now you have a choice you can stand on the wall and brood about the rampant commercialism and musical ignorance...or you can get your ass out on the dance floor and jam.

[Guest genevieve]

Come on boys; let's not fight now!! Everyone has their own veiws & opinions. Thats what makes this world so great. Some of us just need to learn to swallow our pride and respect them. (I know it's hard, Aquarius) Yeah, the party on Mon. could not even compare to some of my recent clubbing experiences. You have to accept what you are delt with a smile and enjoy it to the max!!!! It's all on how you look at it. I noticed alot of people standing around etc.; but did I worry about them......HELL NO!!! I had a blast dancing to what ever they decided to played. YOUR LIFE IS WHAT YOU MAKE OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!Plus, I'm sure Dave will make it up to us.

[Nolimit]

Just one more thing. Take that same set that Deep Dish played in Miami and play it at Twilo and you'll see what Im talking about. People aren't going to look confused like they did at Space. I know, my friends went. They told me the details. They also said that they had a blast and can't wait until the next Renaissance gig.

To each his own. If you were expecting to see Dave Seaman, and you saw Anthony Pappa, I don't see how that was a letdown. Pappa is technically one of the best djs out there. gotta run...