chrishaolin Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 Originally posted by ou812 Weyes - I saw it on another message board, as to it's origins, I have no idea.The quote is Christopher Walken in the movie True Romance from the scene when he is interrogating Dennis Hopper, right before he puts a bullet in his head. One of the greatest scenes ever.. "Your son, the fuckhead that he is.." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ou812 Posted March 31 Author Report Share Posted March 31 Originally posted by chrishaolin One of the greatest scenes ever.. "Your son, the fuckhead that he is.." COCCOTTI Do you know who I am, Mr. Worley? CLIFF I give up. Who are you? COCCOTTI I'm the Anti-Christ. You get me in a vendetta kind of mood, you will tell the angels in heaven that you had never seen pure evil so singularly personified as you did in the face of the man who killed you. My name is Vincenzo Coccotti. I work as a counsel for Mr. Blue Lou Boyle, the man your son stole from. I hear you were once a cop so I assume you've heard od us before. Am I correct? CLIFF I've heard of Blue Lou Boyle. COCCOTTI I'm glad. Hopefully that will clear up the how-full-of-shit-I-am question you've been asking yourself. Now, we're gonna have a little Q and A, and, at the risk of sounding redundant, please make your answers genuine. (taking out a pack of Chesterfields) Want a Chesterfield? CLIFF No. COCCOTTI (as he lights up) I have a son of my own. About you boy's age. I can imagine how painful this must be for you. But Clarence and that bitch-whore girlfriend of his brought this all on themselves. And I implore you not to go down the road with 'em. You can always take comfort in the fact that you never had a choice. CLIFF Look, I'd help ya if I could, but I haven't seen Clarence -Before Cliff can finish his sentence, Coccotti slams him hard in the nose with his fist. COCCOTTI Smarts, don't it? Gettin' slammed in the nose fucks you all up. You got that pain shootin' through your brain. Your eyes fill up with water. It ain't any kind of fun. But what I have to offer you. That's as good as it's ever gonna get, and it won't ever get that good again. We talked to your neighbors. They saw a Mustang, a red Mustang, Clarence's red Mustang, parked in front of your trailer yesterday. Mr. Worley, have you seen your son?Cliff's defeated. CLIFF I've seen him. COCCOTTI Now I can't be sure of how much of what he told you. So in the chance you're in the dark about some of this, let me shed some light. That whore your boy hangs around with, her pimp is an associate of mine, and I don't just mean pimpin', in other affairs he works for me in a courier capacity. Well, apparently, that dirty little whore found out when we're gonna do some business, 'cause your son, the cowboy and his flame, came in the room blastin' and didn't stop till they were pretty sure everybody was dead. CLIFF What are you talkin' about? COCCOTTI I'm talkin' about a massacre. They snatched my narcotics and hightailed it outta there. Wouldda gotten away with it, but your son, fuckhead that he is, left his driver's license in a dead guy's hand. A whore hiding in the commode filled in all the blanks. CLIFF I don't believe you. COCCOTTI That's of minor importance. But what's of major fuckin' importance is that I believe you. Where did they go? CLIFF On their honeymoon. COCCOTTI I'm gettin' angry askin' the same question a second time. Where did they go? CLIFF They didn't tell me.Coccotti looks at him. CLIFF Now, wait a minute and listen. I haven't seen Clarence in three years. Yesterday he shows up here with a girl, sayin' he got married. He told me he needed some quick cash for a honeymoon, so he asked if he could borrow five hundred dollars. I wanted to help him out so I wrote out a check. We went to breakfast and that's the last I saw of him. So help me God. They never thought to tell me where they were goin'. And I never thought to ask.Coccotti looks at him for a long moment. He then gives Virgil a look. Virgil, quick as greased lightning, grabs Cliff's hand and turns it palm up. He then whips out a butterfly knife and slices Cliff's palm open and pours Chivas Regal on the wound. Cliff screams.Coccotti puffs on a Chesterfield.Tooth-pic Vic returns to the trailer, and reports in Italian that there's nothing in the car.Virgil walks into the kitchen and gets a dishtowel. Cliff holds his bleeding palm in agony. Virgil hands him the dishtowel. Cliff uses it to wrap up his hand. COCCOTTI Sicilians are great liars. The best in the world. I'm a Sicilian. And my old man was the world heavyweight champion of Sicilian liars. And from growin' up with him I learned the pantomime. Now there are seventeen different things a guy can do when he lies to give him away. A guy has seventeen pantomimes. A woman's got twenty, but a guy's got seventeen. And if you know 'em like ya know your own face, they beat lie detectors to hell. What we got here is a little game of show and tell. You don't wanna show me nothin'. But you're tellin' me everything. Now I know you know where they are. So tell me, before I do some damage you won't walk away from.The awful pain in Cliff's hand is being replaced by the awful pain in his heart. He looks deep into Coccotti's eyes. CLIFF Could I have one of those Chesterfields now? COCCOTTI Sure.Coccotti leans over and hands him a smoke. CLIFF Got a match?Cliff reaches into his pocket and pulls out a lighter. CLIFF Oh, don't bother. I got one. (he lights the cigarette) So you're a Sicilian, huh? COCCOTTI (intensly) Uh-huh. CLIFF You know I read a lot. Especially things that have to do with history. I find that shit fascinating. In fact, I don't know if you know this or not, Sicilians were spawned by niggers.All the men stop what they were doing and look at Cliff, except for Tooth-pic Vic who doesn't speak English and so isn't insulted. Coccotti can't believe what he's hearing. COCCOTTI Come again? CLIFF It's a fact. Sicilians have nigger blood pumpin' through their hearts. If you don't believe me, look it up. You see, hundreds and hundreds of years ago the Moors conquered Sicily. And Moors are niggers. Way back then, Sicilians were like the wops in northern Italy. Blond hair, blue eyes. But, once the Moors moved in there, they changed the whole country. They did so much fuckin' with the Sicilian women, they changed the blood-line for ever, from blond hair and blue eyes to black hair and dark skin. I find it absolutely amazing to think that to this day, hundreds of years later, Sicilians still carry that nigger gene. I'm just quotin' history. It's a fact. It's written. Your ancestors were niggers. Your great, great, great, great, great-grandmother was fucked by a nigger, and had a half-nigger kid. That is a fact. Now tell me, am I lyin'?Coccotti looks at him for a moment then jumps up, whips out an automatic, grabs hold of Cliff's hair, puts the barrel to his temple, and pumps three bullets through Cliff's head.He pushes the body violently aside. Coccotti pauses. Unable to express his feelings and frustrated by the blood in his hands, he simply drops his weapon, and turns to his men. COCCOTTI I haven't killed anybody since 1974. Goddamn his soul to burn for eternity in fuckin' hell for makin' me spill blood on my hands! Go to this comedian's son's apartment and come back with somethin' that tells me where that asshole went so I can wipe this egg off of my face and fix this fucked-up family for good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassa Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 it is a well known fact that the gov't of israel, american jewish organizations, the american jewish community, and the israel embassy have a strong hold on the gov't and its branches, including the legislative, executive, and judicial branches. they also penetrate the pentagon and often have access to information and technology that not even the american gov't does. it is also evident that the contributions of monies that they give to aspiring senators and congressmen serve a purpose: to buy these men and use them as puppets for their purposes in congress and the senate. the mossad has been caught stealing confidential, classified information from this gov't. israel is shaping our foreign policy and our national security issues. look at the amount of contributions they give to fresh politicians, you will see that they contribute around 50-80% of their campaign funds to these people. why? so they can buy them and use them to manipulate any policies that will serve israel. why is it that even this country has tried to hide the facts of an attack that occured on the USS Liberty in the mediterranean sea on june 8,1967. israeli forces attacked the ship in broad daylight, killing 27 of its men and injuring over 150. the ship even issued a plea for help, but the US would not allow help to arrive until the next day. conveniently, israel said it "mistook" the ship to be an egyptian one and attacked it, even though the ship clearly had an american flag above it and in no way resembled an egyptian ship. if no one believes me, check out james ennes' book "assault on the liberty" which is a full report on the incident. i find it ironic that the US would try to cover it up, especially since israel initiated the attack. my point with this is that there are deeper ties between these two countries than most people realize. there really is a jewish controversy. now i don't want to hear crap about being anti-semitic and anti-this and anti-that. i have nothing against jews, i love israel and i have many dear jewish friends. but the bottom line is that they control this country and its gov't. and we can't do anything about it. kind of makes sense actually. even in the knesset, the MP's spew more abuse against the israelis than congress does....kind of odd... i would think.no wonder the middle east is so fucked up. look who's pulling the strings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siceone Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 Originally posted by sassa it is a well known fact that the gov't of israel, american jewish organizations, the american jewish community, and the israel embassy have a strong hold on the gov't and its branches, including the legislative, executive, and judicial branches. they also penetrate the pentagon and often have access to information and technology that not even the american gov't does. it is also evident that the contributions of monies that they give to aspiring senators and congressmen serve a purpose: to buy these men and use them as puppets for their purposes in congress and the senate. the mossad has been caught stealing confidential, classified information from this gov't. israel is shaping our foreign policy and our national security issues. look at the amount of contributions they give to fresh politicians, you will see that they contribute around 50-80% of their campaign funds to these people. why? so they can buy them and use them to manipulate any policies that will serve israel. why is it that even this country has tried to hide the facts of an attack that occured on the USS Liberty in the mediterranean sea on june 8,1967. israeli forces attacked the ship in broad daylight, killing 27 of its men and injuring over 150. the ship even issued a plea for help, but the US would not allow help to arrive until the next day. conveniently, israel said it "mistook" the ship to be an egyptian one and attacked it, even though the ship clearly had an american flag above it and in no way resembled an egyptian ship. if no one believes me, check out james ennes' book "assault on the liberty" which is a full report on the incident. i find it ironic that the US would try to cover it up, especially since israel initiated the attack. my point with this is that there are deeper ties between these two countries than most people realize. there really is a jewish controversy. now i don't want to hear crap about being anti-semitic and anti-this and anti-that. i have nothing against jews, i love israel and i have many dear jewish friends. but the bottom line is that they control this country and its gov't. and we can't do anything about it. kind of makes sense actually. even in the knesset, the MP's spew more abuse against the israelis than congress does....kind of odd... i would think.no wonder the middle east is so fucked up. look who's pulling the strings. May I see these facts you speak off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassa Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 Originally posted by siceone May I see these facts you speak off? i'll give you some names to check out, and one particular book (although there are several)charles percyadlai stevenson iiigeorge ballj. william fulbrightjesse jacksongeorgie anne geyerjames ennesmiriam wardpaul findleyphilip klutznickdean francis sayrepaul mccloskeysheila scovillecheck out how they have voted in congress and in the senate, and the articles they have written, especially mccloskey, ball, and fulbright, who have been very vocal about this issue for years. some also speculate that their being vocal about this has caused their careers to suffer, since then if they want to rerun for a seat in the legislative branch, the jewish community makes it extremely hard for them, since they have the many contacts, means and resources to do so.also check out this book: they dare to speak out by paul findley, published by lawrence hill books.siceone, honestly, it's not that difficult to see: it is simple facts, also like math...put two and two together...and you will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeacasta2 Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 Originally posted by cintron maybe you should pray that you are never proven right. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the safety of our country is a more worthy consideration than the fulfillment of your skepticism? That was done by terrorists that lived in the U.S. with box cutter knives. I believe that is what the Department of Homeland Security is for.Attacking a country that has not attacked us is not being proactive IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siceone Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 Originally posted by georgeacasta2 That was done by terrorists that lived in the U.S. with box cutter knives. I believe that is what the Department of Homeland Security is for.Attacking a country that has not attacked us is not being proactive IMO. seriously Read what you just wrote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeacasta2 Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 Originally posted by siceone seriously Read what you just wrote. I did can you elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicman Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 Originally posted by georgeacasta2 I did can you elaborate? he probably cant. werent those terrorists saudi nationals or something? they are barking up the wrong tree but its the easiest to bark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramadas Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 Originally posted by siceone May I see these facts you speak off? I posted an article about it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 Originally posted by lizard23 This war is not about oil! I cannot believe that people are ignorant enough to have convinced themselves of this. This war is to prevent 9/11 from happening again b/c it is a known fact that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction and harbors terrorists. Damn fucking hippies fighting for a cause that they have no clue about... Can you prove this? I like for you to do so, then I will take you seriously. That article I posted proves that this war is for oil. Can you counter it? I hope you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cintron Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 Originally posted by normalnoises Can you prove this? I like for you to do so, then I will take you seriously. That article I posted proves that this war is for oil. Can you counter it? I hope you can. I could prove 2 equals 3.that doesn't make it true.there is nothing more sad than someone who thinks that hiding behind another's words lends validity to their own.prove it yourself, if you are so convinced the other side is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magellanmax Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 Originally posted by cintron I could prove 2 equals 3.that doesn't make it true.there is nothing more sad than someone who thinks that hiding behind another's words lends validity to their own.prove it yourself, if you are so convinced the other side is wrong. Just coz you dont necessarily get the 411 straight from the proverbial.... "horses' mouth" doesnt make the info any less legit. I think trying to challenge any info that has been posted by anyone else is just a mere reiteration. Dont get too defensive. If you feel so strongly about the reply, just go ahead and post a counter-response, its a more respectable gesture..just a thought.P.S. Being anti-war, doesnt make one Anti-American,..if anything, I think it makes one more aware of rights accorded by the constitution. We all disagree to agree, the most basic foundation of Democracy. I personally think you blew your spot with the WTC pic to (if any) justify the war. Like you've been reminded endlessly, none of the bombers were Iraqi. Be objective rather than subjective...life is more than what is shown on tv.....(propaganda galore?)BTW..is the MR2 out of the garage yet?... Holla back.. I wanna smoke your azz in the name of peace:laugh: Lata dawg.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cintron Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 Originally posted by magellanmax Just coz you dont necessarily get the 411 straight from the proverbial.... "horses' mouth" doesnt make the info any less legit. I think trying to challenge any info that has been posted by anyone else is just a mere reiteration. Dont get too defensive. If you feel so strongly about the reply, just go ahead and post a counter-response, its a more respectable gesture..just a thought.P.S. Being anti-war, doesnt make one Anti-American,..if anything, I think it makes one more aware of rights accorded by the constitution. We all disagree to agree, the most basic foundation of Democracy. I personally think you blew your spot with the WTC pic to (if any) justify the war. Like you've been reminded endlessly, none of the bombers were Iraqi. Be objective rather than subjective...life is more than what is shown on tv.....(propaganda galore?)BTW..is the MR2 out of the garage yet?... Holla back.. I wanna smoke your azz in the name of peace:laugh: Lata dawg.. Sure, life is more than what's on TV... and it's more than just rhetoric about what a war "is" and "isn't" about. As if any of us have 100% of the facts. Most of these so called experts and pundits don't know fuck-all. The info they get is the same info we get... which is filtered at best. MR2's up here right now and sitting outside, proud and shiny.what Beast is this you speak of that will smoke my deuce coupe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magellanmax Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 Originally posted by cintron Sure, life is more than what's on TV... and it's more than just rhetoric about what a war "is" and "isn't" about. As if any of us have 100% of the facts. The info they get is the same info we get... which is filtered at best. MR2's up here right now and sitting outside, proud and shiny.what Beast is this you speak of that will smoke my deuce coupe? Thats the most honest thing you've posted so far baby boy..I hear you...goes both ways....I got my A4 going to the shop to be hooked up. I tried to have the dealer do it, but they wont touch it coz its still got a couple of K miles left on the warranty..fuck 'em, they lost my business:D You game?.. The Englishtown racetrack is soon gonna be open for biz. Let me know what you got planned for spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 Originally posted by cintron I could prove 2 equals 3.that doesn't make it true.there is nothing more sad than someone who thinks that hiding behind another's words lends validity to their own.prove it yourself, if you are so convinced the other side is wrong. Actions speak louder than words and I strongly believe this war is for oil and everything in that article explains why I'm against this war and that article proves it. I'll be waiting for you to find any evidence proving this war is not for oil. can you find any?Lets see it, otherwise concede. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siceone Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 Originally posted by georgeacasta2 I did can you elaborate? If you do something after the fact you're not being proactive you're being reactive.. so you can't be pro-active if you do things after they happen.. so if a country doesn't attack you and you attack it that's being pro-active if you attack after they attack that's being reactive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siceone Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 Originally posted by normalnoises Actions speak louder than words and I strongly believe this war is for oil and everything in that article explains why I'm against this war and that article proves it. I'll be waiting for you to find any evidence proving this war is not for oil. can you find any?Lets see it, otherwise concede. If it was about oil why didn't the US drop the sanctions or take it in the first gulf war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cintron Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 Originally posted by normalnoises Actions speak louder than words and I strongly believe this war is for oil and everything in that article explains why I'm against this war and that article proves it. I'll be waiting for you to find any evidence proving this war is not for oil. can you find any?Lets see it, otherwise concede. hah. i don't owe you an explanation. Feel free to wallow in your own opinion.the fact that the UN has restarted the oil-for-food program should be proof enough.Iraq is confronting the United States, Britain and Kuwait, but will be overseen by the United Nations as a whole.If we wanted their oil, we would have taken it after the Gulf War. At that time we had MORE than enough territory in our hands to have kept all Saddam's wells in the south. yet we did not. Remember that we get a tiny fraction of our oil from Iraq. Less than 5 percent. Arguing that this war is over oil is akin to arguing that someone would rob a bank to steal those fancy fountain pens.besides, so what if we DID actually assault Iraq only for the oil.To the Victor go the spoils of war. Iraq should have considered that before they invaded Kuwait and set the course for this whole fucked up carnival show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 Originally posted by cintron hah. i don't owe you an explanation. Feel free to wallow in your own opinion.How about wallowing in your own self pity.the fact that the UN has restarted the oil-for-food program should be proof enough.The fact is the US destroyed an oil field killing 4 civilains and the fact is that that oil field is one of the fields that was part of the UN oil for food program. That will be enough to piss off the UN.It was in Sunday's BBC report. Iraq is confronting the United States, Britain and Kuwait, but will be overseen by the United Nations as a whole.Like I said when the UN finds out about that oil field they will be pissed. If we wanted their oil, we would have taken it after the Gulf War. At that time we had MORE than enough territory in our hands to have kept all Saddam's wells in the south. yet we did not.READ THE ARTICLE! That is if you can comprehend with what it says. I'm pretty sure US oil companies will clamour over Iraqi oil and they will most definately jump all over it. Just think of all the money to be made from it? And you have yet to prove that this war is not for oil. I want hard evidence from you proving me wrong because all you're doing is proving me right. BRING IT!!Remember that we get a tiny fraction of our oil from Iraq. Less than 5 percent. Arguing that this war is over oil is akin to arguing that someone would rob a bank to steal those fancy fountain pens. So we get 5 percent of the oil from there... whoop de dooo. So Iraq is the 6th largest supplier of oil to the US. But you fail to say that IRAQ is the world's 2nd largest oil resource. And what does fountain pens have to do with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siceone Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 His own Self Pity? WHAT !!!!I love when people say shit just to say shit and have NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 Like I said... PROVE ME WRONG! Now stop throwing temper tantrums like an immature 5 year old child.MAN UP AND PROVE ME WRONG!!!You cant can you? Admit it.And thank you for proving me right. You have no debate.Oh. And you think this war is going to help the economy and lower oil prices??Guess what???http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/business/2894297.stmOil prices hit wartime high Oil prices rose to their highest level since the start of the war in Iraq. Oil shot up on concerns that the war in the Gulf could be much longer than expected and could lead to a serious fuel shortages. But prices fell back after an official from the oil producers' cartel, Opec, said there was enough crude to supply the world's demands despite stoppages in Iraq and Nigeria. In London, the price of Brent crude oil rose 92 cents to $27.74 a barrel but later fell back to end down 39 cents at $26.43. In New York, US-grade oil reached $31.05 a barrel but settled down 21 cents at $30.16. Shares decline Oil prices rose on reports from the US army that it would take several months to get Iraq's southern oilfields up and running again. At the same time clashes between warring tribal factions in Nigeria have halted oil output from Africa's biggest producer. While oil prices were see-sawing, stock markets on both sides of the Atlantic were, for the most part, heading downwards. In New York, the Dow Jones index ended down 56 points at 8,146. Traders said the markets were being driven by major concerns about the progress of the war in Iraq. "We're shipping in new soldiers in and they're telling us that was scheduled," said Art Hogan, chief market strategist at Jefferies & Co. "I think that's the spin they're putting on it." London's FTSE 100 index closed down 0.6% at 3,708, its lowest level for two weeks. The German Dax was 51 points lower at 2,533 but the French Cac 40 ended up 0.4% at 2,733. Story from BBC NEWS:Published: 2003/03/28 22:15:31© BBC MMIIIThis war is doing great for the economy isn't it??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeacasta2 Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 Originally posted by siceone If you do something after the fact you're not being proactive you're being reactive.. so you can't be pro-active if you do things after they happen.. so if a country doesn't attack you and you attack it that's being pro-active if you attack after they attack that's being reactive. reactive - Tending to be responsive or to react to a stimulus. Example:I am reacting to your post about me misusing the word proactive.proactive - acting in advance to deal with an expected difficulty; anticipatory: proactive steps to prevent terrorismMy Post:Attacking a country that has not attacked us is not being proactive Iraq has NOT attacked us but may attack us in the future. To be proactive we will attack Iraq first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cintron Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 oil prices are always high during times of uncertain supply.if the PEZ factory was in the middle of a war zone, you can bet that PEZ prices would skyrocket as well.killing 4 civilians and "bombing" an oil well... wow i guess we should run away with our tails between our legs, hanging our heads in shame.we've created a massacre. a whopping four civilians, dear God how can we as a nation live with the agony of such a brutal mass murder. maybe we should all lock ourselves in our closets and wallow in our SELF PITY at our inability to transform war into a black and white game where only the bad guys get hurt and instead of violence, we have a dandy Disney sing-along to teach the enemy the immorality of their position.who gives a fuck what the UN thinks. they want their hands in Iraq and they'll have it, when we're done.Do you think any of us give a fuck what Khofi Annan is going to say about an oil well?do you think he's going to say anything at all?grow a pair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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