arrakis Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 There's one word that differentiates Groove Jet and Space in my opinion, and it's VIBE... Space ain't got a good one, and Groove Jet had a great one. And also, I think there's no comparing the Ibiza Space and the Miami one; anyone's who's been to both can certainly testify to this! Diego?------------------"House music... it can change your soul.""The second most popular game that we played as children... is house.""Not everyone understands house music... it's a spiritual thing, a body thing, a soul thing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolimit Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 sorry, no dress code at twilo, vinyl, or any other club that i would frequent to just to hear good music. just jeans, sneakers, a tee, and a smile on your face and you're in. I can't really voice an opinion about Space because I was there only once. And that was one of the best nights of my life. (DT WMC party)In the end, the club is there to make money. It's a bussiness. But for christ sake, let the true heads inside!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingstreet Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 Twilo does have a dress code..depends on what night and what time..not as strict as Miami clubs though...Vynil is the shit...but its also one of a kind.......and if you want a "vibe" come check out Deep Dish at Space Feb. 18....trust me the vibe will be in full effect!!!Dont wear sneakers though BTW:I'll take Space,Ibiza over this one too!! I AINT THAT CRAZY!![This message has been edited by kingstreet (edited 02-08-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james954 Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 ummm. 9 out of 10 clubbers on a worldwide scale of people who have followed the scene over the pat 10 years have heard of groovejet. 10 out of 10 clubbers outside of miami think of space ibiza when you mention the name space. thats what i'm talking about worldwide recognition. and thinking i'm young is even more laughable. groove jet brought out the same talent that you praise space for, and then some. to bring warsaw into the forum is also an insult. not only is it 2 different styles of clubs, but 2 different generes of music. i'm not dissing space as a venue. yes it's size does come into tenaglias choosing that venue to play, but the vibe at groovejet was WAY better. twilo is just the same approx size as space... books the same basic talent as space, i never hear ANY complaints about vibe in that room. do you? i wouldn't question no limits knowledge of the twilo door policy. bottom line is, until space (and so many other miami clubs) stop trying to pull in the VIP high rollers, their nights are gonna be crap regardless of who the dj is! i hate to quote this but..."money is one thing, but soul is another" oh and since you brought up deep dish i'd like to add, they paly at crobar as often (or more so) as space, and the vibe on those nights were pretty damn good. vInYl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james954 Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 Originally posted by kingstreet:CLUB MARICK....coming soon!!!!NO STRIPPERS OR ESCORTS ALLOWEDNO PEOPLE WHO LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE MONEYNO PEOPLE WITH FANCY CARSNO ARMANI SUITS NO 50 YEAR OLD MEN (sorry Junior Vasquez)NO PEOPLE THAT ROLLNO PEOPLE THAT ARE UNAWARE OF WHO THE DJ IS..LARGE GROUPS OF MEN ALWAYS WELCOME!! WE ONLY CATER TO THE KNOW-IT-ALL CLUBBER WHO IS ABOVE THESE OTHER MEANINGLESS CLUB PEONS..EVERYONE ELSE GETS IN (CAUSE WE DONT DISCRIMINATE )GOOD LUCK IN THE CLUB BUSINESS!!!!!!! this actually sounds like a good plan. it'd be the only club in miami that has a unique personality. rather than the carbon copy of last years big club, which is just a carbon copy of the big club from the year before that, and so on and so forth.... yes carbon copies do make money such as janet jackson/paula abdul, britney/christina, new kids/backstreet. but lets face it, everyone remembers the legends that took it a complete different direction and took a chance: beatles, velvet underground, sex pistols, nirvana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolimit Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 go jamesgo james go james go go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marick Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 kigstreet:your right mate, there is a reason why tenaglia moved his partys to space...that reason is because groovejet closed down!and you're also right in that there is a reaon why tenaglia pick space for his residentcy...the reason is because space is the only club in south florida that can/will let him spin for 24 hours if he wants to!there are no other reasons besides those! so don't fool yourself! i HATE pretentious/fake people/things! and space is full of pretention! from the door staff to the bar staff to the clubbers to the management!! you NEVER found anything close to that type of aditude at groovejet! they didn't care what you looked like, they didn't care who you were with or what you were wearing! THATS why groovejet will always be better then clubs like warsaw and space! yes warsaw brought great talent but again it was to a VIP atmosphere!as far as "club marick" goes, i would love to open a club in the footsteps of vinyl!"be yourself at marick's"!! not dress code, no pretention but plenty of vibe and good music!! i truely beleave that if i ever opened such a club it would be one of the best on the beach! everyone loves a club they can go and chill, go and not have to worry about getting in! where they don't have to spend an hour in the bathroom getting ready...all they have to do is throw on a pair of jeans, a shirt and a pair of shoes and go! the music would be unreal and the vibe would be awesome!! i dare you to tell me you wouldn't frequent a club like that!! because if you say you won't then your a lier! anyone in their right mind would love a place like that!! the original argument was that groovejet, not space has given (or ferthered) miami's "world reknowned statis"! space might well be a pioneer as far as location but miami was on the world scene long before space came around! and you can give groovejet alot of credit for that! DANNY TENAGLIA, SASHA & DIGWEED, DANNY HOWELLS, STEVE LAWLER, DAVE SEAMAN, NICK WARREN, PVD, GOLDIE AND THE MEDALHEADZ CREW, SLACKER, TIMO MAAS, ANTHONY PAPPA, JOHN "QUIVVER" GRAHAM, LUIS DIAZ, JIMMY VAN M., CHRIS FORTIER, CASS plus meny others that i know i've missed...NOW THATS A LINE-UP!! sorry, space might be "SHIT" but it's FAR from "THE SHIT" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobeton Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 Marick > let me know when club marick opens bro. Seriously, I to share your vision…Peace,Sobeton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingstreet Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 Remember guys Space has only been around for a short time...you cant compare the recognition it gets to a club that was open for several years YET..I mean come on even you Space bashers have to admit its had a pretty impressive first year(and wait till WMC) Warsaw= different genre and VIP clientele...obviously you guys are nujacks...first of all Warsaw didnt even have a VIP area and it was a gay club with no dress code,second, the genre you are talking about didnt exist in the Warsaw days because what was being played back then is the root of what you newbies are raving about now... And by the way Groovejet WAS still open when Danny decided to move his party to Space dont fool YOURself....on a lighter note I would go to your club (although it would be closed in a month )[This message has been edited by kingstreet (edited 02-09-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james954 Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 Originally posted by kingstreet:Warsaw= different genre and VIP clientele...obviously you guys are nujacks...first of all Warsaw didnt even have a VIP area and it was a gay club with no dress code,second, the genre you are talking about didnt exist in the Warsaw days because what was being played back then is the root of what you newbies are raving about now... um, sorry to keep arguing a point, but you yourself just proved MY point exactly. warsaw was a gay club that had a NYC house format. nither of which space or groovejet had/have. and when miami was still trying to pretend in the early and mid 90's that it was NYC, there was a pretty underground progressive and techno scene. but while you were club hoping on to the next big club of the moment, you must not have been paying attention. especially when clubs like velvet were bringing in sasha pre renaissance cd release days.. funny how some things never change down here. sorry to say, but you sound like your a part of this same crowd, that changes w/ the trends over the years. i've been involved w/ one sort of dance music or another for the better part of the past 15 years. dating back to my days of living in los angeles (83-85) and the west coast electro sound that miami decided to bastardize/commercialize and call freestyle in 89. newbee? ok you go 'head w/ yer bad self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrakis Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 Marick> Am I allowed to bring mints into your club?------------------"House music... it can change your soul.""The second most popular game that we played as children... is house.""Not everyone understands house music... it's a spiritual thing, a body thing, a soul thing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolimit Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 James isn't a newbie. Let's get that straight.Prior to the Warsaw days, wasn't it Fire & Ice that had more of an impact?? I remember seeing the long queues of drag queens and homeboys. What happened to that space anyway?Is it still Warsaw. For a while, they boasted the best sound system on the beach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 My opinion of the whole VIP issue is that it's a part of the miami way of doing things...it's what makes us different from NYC. I don't necessarily approve of a VIP area so to speak, but I am wholly in favor of <A HREF="http://www.clubplanet.com/guestlists/" TARGET="_blank"> guestlists</A> and such. As far as dress codes and such go, I've grown used to them, so I really don't bitch anymore. I'm not a girl, so I take about 20 minutes to get ready, less if I put my mind to it . Though it would be interesting to have a 'no-dress-code' club down here. It'd have to be a balance of sorts, dressed down without being 'dirty'...i've seen casual clubs devolve from a wonderful concept to just a trashy hangout, like anything in the club business, it's very difficult....i would try to open a casual atmosphere place, but maybe encourage say 'crazy clothes' or whatever..maybe if you wear black leather all over you get in for free or something...sort of a hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolimit Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 Kingstreet, com'on guy. I never said you were one either... We're all here for the music and not to insult one another.If I remember correct, before the Warsaw, it was called Fire & Ice. Trust me on that one...BTW, are u "musiclover" from the GU board? if so, great job on your latest work. Is that the one that's going to be out on Kismet??? Danny has been hammering it lately. Sick response!If not, sorry bro... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolimit Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 kingstreet, i wasn't calling you a newbie, I was just sticking up for my boy James, who happens to be one of the most knowledgable guys on this board when it comes to dance music. Now I've got a question for you... Are u 'Musiclover' from the GU board? If so, I'd like to commend you on your latest work "revolution" or something like that... Is that the next Kismet release? DT has been caning it of late and it's been getting a sick response. If not, then I've mistaken u from somebody else... RRBTW, my ass is getting ready for a sick president's day weekend.friday is Layo & Bushwacka & Deep Dishsaturday is Bill Patrick @ CreamSUNDAY- CARL COX & DANNY TENAGLIA @ TWILOwhat a way to get warmed up for Miami![This message has been edited by Nolimit (edited 02-09-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrakis Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 The King Street party at last year's WMC (AT GROOVE JET) was good fun... was anybody else there?------------------"House music... it can change your soul.""The second most popular game that we played as children... is house.""Not everyone understands house music... it's a spiritual thing, a body thing, a soul thing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrakis Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 "Ain't no stopping us... no stopping!"------------------"House music... it can change your soul.""The second most popular game that we played as children... is house.""Not everyone understands house music... it's a spiritual thing, a body thing, a soul thing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingstreet Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 Nolimit, and the rest of you guys....I hope I havent insulted anyone, that surely is not my intent....like I said before I just enjoy a lively debate, but its all love..for real!! TRUST ME, Fire & Ice wasnt on the beach or anywhere near Warsaw it was right next to where Power Studios is now... No I'm not musiclover from the GU board but I do read that board I just dont post......sorry if I've offended anyone PEACE,KINGSTREET Arakis thanks for confirming that Groovejet was still open last year when Danny decided to take his party to Space.....[This message has been edited by kingstreet (edited 02-09-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macfunk19 Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 Dont forget an old club in southbeach Bash.they were the first club in southbeach to have a vip room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macfunk19 Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 U guys forgot club bash they were the first club in southbeach to have a vip room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macfunk19 Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 U guys forgot club bash they were the first club in southbeach to have a vip room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james954 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 kingstreet,well i'm not sure how to reply to your last post to me. seeing as i'm not exactly sure what your point was? are you trying to identify yourself as more "old school" than i? cause the way i see it, given the dates and places (we both moved to miami in 90 got into dance music in the early 80's) i don't really see either one of us being involved any earlier than the other. we just have different influences based around our surroundings at the time. i do not know or even pretend to know what was going on in NYC back in the early 80's, but i do know what was going on on the west coast. and your reference to the movie(s) breakin representing the musical background of LA is about as laughable as saying the groove represents what is going on here today. the only decent song on that soundtrack was ice-t/chris the glove taylor's 'wreckless'. (but turbo was a bad ass dancer) trust me when i say that there was plenty going on in the dance music community on a worldwide basis outside of the beloved paradise garage. for instance afrika bambatta and the soul sonic force, kraftwerk, joy division/new order, and uncle jamms army. one each from each major global players in the early days of drum programing, which is the only true line that runs through every genere we now talk about. NYC, germany, england and los angeles. all of which you seem to have missed out on (even being from NYC), or were just to naive to recognize. there was TONS of other stuff going on the the 80's that led to the influence of freestyle. you need to dig a bit futher to find someones true influences. anyone of the true frestyle heads that don't admit to hearing planet rock or egypt, egypt and taking a huge notice in the programing techniques is an insult. the only thing you have proved to me is you know a lot about 1 thing. but you know very little about a lot of things. and thanks for the history lesson, most of it i already know. it's pretty textbook really. class old school 101. class required reading "last night a dj saved my life" especially since i lived a few short blocks away from cheers. i even worked at the publix down the street.no offense taken, what it all boils down to is we are here now. anybody need a drink? i know a great blues club in ft laud that has absolutely nothing to do w/ house/trance/progressive/techno/electro/breaks/new wave/industial or any of that damn "boom boom boom" electronic music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztec-mystic Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 I've just been sittin back and observing this one...No limit, sorry man but looks like kingstreet is a bit more knowledgeable than Jimmy on this topic, where others have had inconsistencies.....He must be some Bigshot incognito...Jimmy, most of the history lesson you knew,just out of curiosity, which parts didn't you know, or which parts weren't covered in "Modulations".Later guys..[This message has been edited by aztec-mystic (edited 02-09-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolimit Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 pardon me for the duplicate post. this board keeps Fing crashing. in the end, who gives a flying fuck who the more knowledgable one is?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingstreet Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Look James,My point was that I wasnt a "jump around to the next hot club trendy" guy like you accused me of being... The reason I started with the Paradise Garage is because that was the first place that really influenced my taste in music and clubs along with many other people (among them many famous DJs and producers) And I was very aware of freestyle's early influences such as Afrika Bambata, New Order and of course Kraftwerk because Larry Levan was playing all these records at the Garage..I dont know what youve heard about the garage ,but it wasnt just about one form of music....Thats what made it beautiful..all forms of dance music, all types of people: gay, straight, black, white and the best sound system ever assembled all under one roof....I wish all of you could have gone...it put Groovejet and Space to shame And I'm sorry I bored you with my "history lesson" I should have known you had read a book "last night a dj saved my life" and therefore pretty much know everything there is to know...So I guess I'll surrender to the expert..after all you read the book, I just lived it....Maybe I should read it too that way I'll be all-knowing like yourself and not limited to knowing just 1 thing...Anyway lets put all this shit behind us because its silly to argue about what club has a better "VIBE" that is a very personal thing...One thing is for sure we cant go to Groovejet anymore, so why dont you guys give Space a second chance....Lets hook up on SAT night...drinks are on me...We'll listen to Oscar G. throw down some house jams and maybe together we can make a cooler VIBE..Come on its worth a shot I COME IN PEACE!!KINGSTREET BTW:Turbo was a good dancer......but I hope you werent really into the soundtrack...except the sequel that had George Krantz "Din Da Da" that was the bomb [This message has been edited by kingstreet (edited 02-09-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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