For Bush worshipping, conservative mutts to understand

[normalnoises]

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/ashcroft_dachau.htm

Ashcroft Following Nazi Example

In mid-August 2002 U.S. Attorney-General John Ashcroft announced a plan that would give him the legal right to order the indefinite incarceration of U.S. citizens and remove from them their constitutional rights and access to the courts by declaring them "enemy combatants".

This follows the cases of José Padilla and Yaser Esam Hamdi, both U.S. citizens arrested as "enemy combatants", imprisoned despite there being no evidence against them of any criminal activity, denied access to lawyers and denied a trial.

The Bush administration seems to believe, on no good legal authority, that if it calls citizens combatants in the war on terrorism, it can imprison them indefinitely and deprive them of lawyers. This defiance of the courts repudiates two centuries of constitutional law and undermines the very freedoms that President Bush says he is defending in the struggle against terrorism. — Editorial in the New York Times, 2002-08-08

Lest it be thought that Ashcroft is arrogating unconstitutional powers to himself alone aides have indicated that a "high-level committee" will recommend which citizens are to be stripped of their constitutional rights and to be imprisoned in the proposed camps.

Now where have we heard of this sort of thing before? Ah, yes ... the Nazi concentration camps. One of the first things that the Nazis did, even before Hitler's Enabling Act (enacted on March 24, 1933) giving him and his henchmen the near-dictatorial powers that John Ashcroft seeks, was to suppress dissent by arresting and imprisoning German citizens deemed to be enemies of the state and placing them in indefinite incarceration in Dachau.

[Dachau was] the first Nazi concentration camp in Germany, established on March 10, 1933, slightly more than five weeks after Adolf Hitler became chancellor. Built on the outskirts of the town of Dachau, about 12 miles (16 kilometres) north of Munich, it became the model and training centre for all other SS-organized camps. During World War II the main camp was supplemented by about 150 branches scattered throughout southern Germany and Austria, all of which collectively were called Dachau. (This southern system complemented the camps for central and northern Germany, at Buchenwald and Sachsenhausen.) In the course of Dachau's history, at least 160,000 prisoners passed through the main camp and 90,000 through the branches. Incomplete records indicate that at least 32,000 of the inmates died there, through the "natural diminution" of disease, malnutrition, and physical oppression; but numberless more were transshipped to the extermination camps in Poland.

Dachau was the first and most important camp at which German doctors and scientists set up laboratories to perform medical experiments on involuntary inmates, using them as guinea pigs ... Continued throughout World War II, such experiments and the harsh living conditions made Dachau one of the most notorious of camps. — Encyclopedia Britannica

Since the "detainees" in Ashcroft's camps will have no constitutional rights, the government will be able to do anything it wants with and to them. Might the germ warfare scientists at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (Fort Detrick, MD) be pleased to have some human guinea pigs on which to test their anthrax vaccines? And if they develop a new virus that might be useful in killing "enemy populations" they would, of course, first have to test it on a few humans, and the inmates of Ashcroft's camps will conveniently be at hand.

Of course you, as a law-abiding U.S. citizen, would never end up in one of these camps, right? That's what thousands of law-abiding German citizens thought in 1933, so they said nothing.

First they came for the Jews

and I did not speak out — because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the communists

and I did not speak out — because I was not a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists

and I did not speak out — because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me —

and by then there was no one left to speak out for me.

— Pastor Martin Niemöller

And if you don't end up in one of these camps, what about your son or daughter? It will be no good going to a U.S. court and demanding that the government provide due process, or even any information at all. The government will say, as it has done in the case of Yaser Esam Hamdi, that since the U.S. is "at war" the usual legal niceties no longer apply, and judges and defense lawyers will just have to get used to it. Remember, "enemy combatants" have no rights. Zip. None. Tough about your kid dying from that experimental vaccine they gave him in the camp, but hey! America is at war, aren't you a patriot?

And given that Ashcroft is a rabid, fundamentalist Christian, one has to wonder what he might have in mind for the Jews, when the time is right. After Dachau there was Auschwitz.

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http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0304/S00116.htm

Laurie Manis: Lest We Forget

Friday, 11 April 2003, 12:47 pm

Opinion: Scoop Reader Opinion

Lest We Forget

By Laurie Manis

In Memory of Wladyslaw Szpilman

Nazism was a form of government that restricted personal freedom but permitted private ownership of property. It called for aggressive nationalism, militarism and expansion of Germany's spheres of control through military conquest. The Nazis glorified Germany and its people, claiming that other nationalities were inferior. It promised to build a harmonious, orderly and prosperous society for the Germans.

Instead it brought terrorism, war and mass murder.

The Nazi agenda was largely based on the premises of Adolph Hitler's book Mein Kampf. In his book, Hitler stated his beliefs and ideas for Germany's future, which included plans to overthrow regimes of countries he perceived to be dangerous to Germany's security or had natural resources needed to fulfill its destiny as the most powerful nation on earth.

Nazism did not gain wide support in Germany until the worldwide business slump of 1929. Discontented Germans then turned to Nazism in increasing numbers because it promised economic help, political power and national glory.

The Nazis' organization, discipline and financial backing from wealthy industrialists, who feared Communism, soon made them a force with which to contend. Many upper-class Germans feared loss of power and property would be a result of the newly formed democratic government, which they suspected might levy taxes in order to redistribute wealth. The farmers, middle and laboring classes were attracted to the promise of social reform, which they believed was badly needed after the excesses and moral lassitude of the Roaring Twenties. Powerless people responded to their ideas of national superiority and strength. The military supported Hitler's ideas of discipline, order and increased funding through rearmament.

Hitler began to assemble some of the people who would help him rise to power. They included:

Joseph Goebbels, the chief Nazi propagandist;

"We do not want a second catastrophe along the lines of (hidden date XXXX). We depend not on the grace of our enemy, rather on military might."

"He knows that we are waging this war for a better peace, that we are fighting for the happiness of people who have so often been oppressed by their governments."

"No power in the world will make us deny our duty, or forget even for a moment our historical task of maintaining the freedom of our people."

Hermann Goering, who became second in command to Hitler;

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

Heinrich Himmler, the leader of the SS;

"Unconditional and highest freedom of will," Himmler instructed his SS, "comes from obedience, from service to our world view, obedience which is prepared to render each and every sacrifice to pride, to external honor and to all which is dear to us personally, obedience which never falters but unconditionally follows every order which comes from the Führer or legally from superiors..."

and Ernst Rohm, the chief of the SA;

"The people want wholesome dread. They want to fear something. They want someone to frighten them and make them shudderingly submissive."

In the July, 1932 election for the Reichstag (parliament) the Nazis received nearly 38% of the vote, making it the largest political party in Germany but not the majority party. Leaders of the other parties offered Hitler Cabinet posts in exchange for Nazi support but he refused to accept any arrangement that did not make him chancellor (prime minister) of Germany The majority of the people did not want Hitler to become chancellor and had serious misgivings about him. But in June of 1933, President von Hindenburg was persuaded by his friends to name Hitler chancellor. Hitler, in turn, promised to act lawfully. He promised to restore the German economy; assure education and work for all; and lead Germany to greatness.

On February 27, a fire began that destroyed the Reichstag building. Many historians believe that it was planned by the Nazis. Although a full investigation was never conducted, the Nazis quickly blamed the Communists. A pro-Communist Dutch anarchist was found at the site and admitted that he had set it.

President von Hindenburg then signed an emergency decree that gave the government unprecedented power. The Nazis moved to control all police authority in Germany, including the right to arrest and hold people without formal charging on suspicion of treason, which served to erode German civil rights.

Hitler promised to rid Germany of Communists and other "enemies", such as the Jews, on whom he blamed Germany's troubles. "By defending myself against the Jews, I am doing the Lord's work", he wrote.

On March 23, 1933, the Nazi-dominated Reichstag passed a law "for the removal of distress from the people and the state". The law, known as the Enabling Act, in effect suspended basic civil and human rights in Germany. Hitler then began to destroy the Constitution through outwardly legal means.

By mid-July 1933, the Gestapo (secret state police) was hunting down enemies and opponents of the government. People were jailed or shot on suspicion alone.

The Nazis used the press, radio and films to flood Germany with propaganda praising the 'New Order', Hitler's term for his reordering of German society and for his plans to reorder the rest of Europe. Germans citizens were kept in a constant state of fear that their country might be attacked by its enemies. Complete faith in the judgment of the Nazi leaders was the measuring stick of devotion to one's country and national pride was the noblest of virtues.

Initially, the rest of the world and the German intelligentia regarded Hitler alternately as a bully or a buffoon. However, Hitler had the common touch. His popularity within Germany grew, despite the flagging economy, especially after the Reichstag fire. More and more, the German people trusted in him implicitly to protect Germany and lead it to greatness.

The citizens of Germany were encouraged to turn to God and prayer for comfort and strength during these troubling times.

"... a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith. From our point of view as representatives of the state, we need believing people. A dark cloud threatens from Poland. We have need of soldiers, believing solders. Believing solders are the most valuable ones. They give their all."

- Adolf Hitler, The German Churches Under Hitler: Background, Struggle, and Epilogue by Ernst Helmreich, page 121.

Hitler also felt he had a personal relationship with God and saw God as his aid in ruling the German Reich:

"Except the Lord built the house they labour in vain.... The truth of that text was proved if one looks at the house of which the foundations were laid in 1918 and which since then has been in building.... The world will not help, the people must help itself. Its own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has given us to use; that in it and through it we may wage the battle of our life.... The others in the past years have not had the blessing of the Almighty -- of Him Who in the last resort, whatever man may do, holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward, let us never forget the duty which we have taken upon us.... We are all proud that through God's powerful aid we have become once more true Germans."

-Adolf Hitler,March, 1933

The Nazis used racial profiling to target the Jews. Thousands were sent to prison camps along with other political suspects. A network of spies kept watch on the German people and maintained an atmosphere of terror. Judges and courts continued to function but most of the judges either had been appointed by Nazis or were subservient to them.

The regime applauded military training and armament. The German military forces were to be supported without question as the defenders of Germany's safety and greatness. Those who protested were accused of a lack of patriotism. In 1933, Germany withdrew from the League of Nations because the League would not change the arms limitations imposed upon Germany at the end of World War I.

After 1933, Hitler prepared Germany for war with little or no opposition from the members of the Reichstag. The Nazis' goal was to establish Germany as the world's leading power. No nation acted to stop him so his plans became ever bolder. First he invaded Austria, then in 1939, he invaded the German-speaking areas of Czechoslovakia in disregard of the protestations of other European countries. After each success, he planned a new take-over.

On September 1, 1939, Hitler stated that, "The Polish State has refused the peaceful settlement of relations which I desired, and has appealed to arms. Germans in Poland are persecuted with bloody terror and driven from their houses. A series of violations of the frontier, intolerable to a great Power, prove that Poland is no longer willing to respect the frontier of the Reich. In order to put an end to this lunacy, I have no other choice than to meet force with force from now on. The German Army will fight the battle for the honour and the vital rights of reborn Germany with hard determination. I expect that every soldier, mindful of the great traditions of eternal German soldiery, will ever remain conscious that he is a representative of the National-Socialist Greater Germany. Long live our people and our Reich!"

Without provocation, Germany then invaded Poland, a sovereign country that could not defend itself and was no threat whatsoever to German national security, overrunning it just a few weeks. Thousands upon thousands of Polish soldiers were killed in the defense of their homeland. Millions of Polish civilians also met their deaths as a result of the German invasion.

"It also gives us a very special, secret pleasure to see how unaware the people around us are of what is really happening to them." -- Adolf Hitler

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Laurie Manis is a member of Military Families Speak Out and was a plaintiff in the anti-law suit against President Bush that was dismissed last month by the Massachusetts Supreme Court. She is the widow of a Viet Nam veteran and the mother of a Navy Reservist.

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Now compare the Enabling Act of 09,01,1939 to the Patriot Act of 2001, http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:h.r.2975: and you will notice the simularities between them.

I see many striking siumularities between Nazi Germany and the Enabling Act of 1939 and the US Patriot acts 1 and 2 and this doesn't surprise me considering My dad fought in WW2. And between what I learned from him and reading about WW2 in history class it did not take me long to figure this out.

Also, you tell us liberals to open our minds, and yet you conservatives just call us hippies and tell us to get out of the country or shut up because you disagree only shows the lack of your open-mindedness.

In that case, what is the point of our troops fighting over there, supposedly for our freedom, when people like you immediately tell us to leave the country whenever we try to excercise those freedoms?? We have the right to free speech to voice our opinions and protest for what we believe is right. This same freedom of speech to voice your opinions and support what YOU believe is right applies to you also.

Other countries stripping away our freedom is the least of my worries. What worries me the most is when the government of my own country and people who live in this country stripping us of our rights.

Hitler took this right away from his own people. What makes it alright for you and the government you blindly follow to do the same to our own people?

If we all followed the herd and blindly agreed with everything our government said and did with thoughtless conformity, we'd be living in a DIC-TAT-OR-SHIP.

[cintron]

[normalnoises]

Don't forget to wipe your ass Cintron.

"The Nazis used racial profiling to target the Jews. Thousands were sent to prison camps along with other political suspects. A network of spies kept watch on the German people and maintained an atmosphere of terror. Judges and courts continued to function but most of the judges either had been appointed by Nazis or were subservient to them."

The US used racial profiling to target Arabs and many were sent to prison. The CIA are keeping watch on the American people and are maintaining an atmosphere of terror. Judges and courts continue to function but most of the judges either had been appointed by the first Bush administration and ones forthcoming will be subservient to them and there are corrently judges who already are subservant to them.

Congtratulations Cintron, Sicione, igloo, dnice, mrmas and other ignorant conservative mutts like you.

YOU HAVE BEEN SHOT DOWN!!

[cintron]

Originally posted by normalnoises

Don't forget to wipe your ass Cintron.

"The Nazis used racial profiling to target the Jews. Thousands were sent to prison camps along with other political suspects. A network of spies kept watch on the German people and maintained an atmosphere of terror. Judges and courts continued to function but most of the judges either had been appointed by Nazis or were subservient to them."

The US used racial profiling to target Arabs and many were sent to prison. The CIA are keeping watch on the American people and are maintaining an atmosphere of terror. Judges and courts continue to function but most of the judges either had been appointed by the first Bush administration and ones forthcoming will be subservient to them and there are corrently judges who already are subservant to them.

Congtratulations Cintron, Sicione, igloo, dnice, mrmas and other ignorant conservative mutts like you.

YOU HAVE BEEN SHOT DOWN!!

The colleges use racial profiling to admit students.

The corporations that you work in use racial profiling to hire appllicants.

The health and welfare systme uses racial profiling to assign benefits.

SAT's use racial profiling to contribute data concerning abilities of various ethnic groups.

I GUESS WE"RE ALL NAZI MOTHERFUCKERS THEN!

[siceone]

Originally posted by normalnoises

Don't forget to wipe your ass Cintron.

"The Nazis used racial profiling to target the Jews. Thousands were sent to prison camps along with other political suspects. A network of spies kept watch on the German people and maintained an atmosphere of terror. Judges and courts continued to function but most of the judges either had been appointed by Nazis or were subservient to them."

The US used racial profiling to target Arabs and many were sent to prison. The CIA are keeping watch on the American people and are maintaining an atmosphere of terror. Judges and courts continue to function but most of the judges either had been appointed by the first Bush administration and ones forthcoming will be subservient to them and there are corrently judges who already are subservant to them.

Congtratulations Cintron, Sicione, igloo, dnice, mrmas and other ignorant conservative mutts like you.

YOU HAVE BEEN SHOT DOWN!!

you hateful blind ignorant prick

you have no idea what you're talking about your post are ridiculous....

I really don't see this atmosphere of terror you're talking about.

you know who is scared the people doing things wrong !!!

when you do wrong shit you're gonna get caught..

you have said nothing you continue to say nothing shut the fuck up.

[mr mahs]

Originally posted by normalnoises

Don't forget to wipe your ass Cintron.

"The Nazis used racial profiling to target the Jews. Thousands were sent to prison camps along with other political suspects. A network of spies kept watch on the German people and maintained an atmosphere of terror. Judges and courts continued to function but most of the judges either had been appointed by Nazis or were subservient to them."

The US used racial profiling to target Arabs and many were sent to prison. The CIA are keeping watch on the American people and are maintaining an atmosphere of terror. Judges and courts continue to function but most of the judges either had been appointed by the first Bush administration and ones forthcoming will be subservient to them and there are corrently judges who already are subservant to them.

Congtratulations Cintron, Sicione, igloo, dnice, mrmas and other ignorant conservative mutts like you.

YOU HAVE BEEN SHOT DOWN!!

Shot down.. Listen you LOON if we are looking for fish we go to a pond to find them.... If you are innocent then you have nothing to worry about..

Your argument is just nonsense.. I tahnk god every day that our govt is looking past upsetting the PUSSY ASS ACLU and focusing on the saftey of the country

[nycmuzik]

Originally posted by normalnoises

Don't forget to wipe your ass Cintron.

"The Nazis used racial profiling to target the Jews. Thousands were sent to prison camps along with other political suspects. A network of spies kept watch on the German people and maintained an atmosphere of terror. Judges and courts continued to function but most of the judges either had been appointed by Nazis or were subservient to them."

The US used racial profiling to target Arabs and many were sent to prison. The CIA are keeping watch on the American people and are maintaining an atmosphere of terror. Judges and courts continue to function but most of the judges either had been appointed by the first Bush administration and ones forthcoming will be subservient to them and there are corrently judges who already are subservant to them.

Congtratulations Cintron, Sicione, igloo, dnice, mrmas and other ignorant conservative mutts like you.

YOU HAVE BEEN SHOT DOWN!!

And the Nazi's killed millions of Jews....Meahwhile we're liberating Arabs from opressive dictators...Stop posting these lame articles that try to compare the US to the Nazi's.....I suggest you go talk to someone that survived Nazi rule in Europe....I bet there opinion is alot diff. from yours....

[normalnoises]

Originally posted by nycmuzik ]

And the Nazi's killed millions of Jews....

True.

Meahwhile we're liberating Arabs from opressive dictators...

Meanwhile we're occupying Arabe with more oppressive dictators.

Stop posting these lame articles that try to compare the US to the Nazi's.....

FIRST AMENDMENT. Something our government and certain people have been working dilligently to take from us. I know you don't mind. You're just like them.

I'll post what I please.

And BTW what the Nazis did and what the US is doing is very simular and you know it.

I suggest you go talk to someone that survived Nazi rule in Europe....I bet there opinion is alot diff. from yours....

I have and they told me the same thing.

Originally posted by mr mahs

Shot down.. Listen you LOON if we are looking for fish we go to a pond to find them.... If you are innocent then you have nothing to worry about..

Your argument is just nonsense.. I tahnk god every day that our govt is looking past upsetting the PUSSY ASS ACLU and focusing on the saftey of the country

So what part is nonsense? The racial profiling of Jews by the Nazis or the racial profiling of Arabs by the US?

So it's not ok for the Nazis to racially profile Jews but ok for the US to profile Arabs? Can you say DOUBLE STANDARD???

Prove this is nonsense. Lets see it.

In your dreams this is nonsense mrmas. It's the truth and you damn well know it. The problem with you right wing conformist mutts is you cannot handle the truth so when you are proven wrong you resort to petty slanderous insults like "pussy ass ACLU" (showing your anti-civil right stand) and all you care about is saftey of our own country, in fact all you care about is your ignorant self. All you're doing is proving me right.

[nycmuzik]

Meanwhile we're occupying Arabe with more oppressive dictators.

The people in Iraq will pick their leader...Not the US....Wasnt there a US sponsored gathering last week of hundreds of Iraqi leaders that will form the new Iraqi gov't?

I have and they told me the same thing.

Poland is set to become the next country to host US military bases after they are closed down in Germany....Poland was where a great majority of Jews were executed during WWII...And a very large majority of the Polish population is eager to have the bases situated there....

[normalnoises]

Originally posted by nycmuzik

Meanwhile we're occupying Arabe with more oppressive dictators.

The people in Iraq will pick their leader...Not the US....Wasnt there a US sponsored gathering last week of hundreds of Iraqi leaders that will form the new Iraqi gov't?

I have and they told me the same thing.

Poland is set to become the next country to host US military bases after they are closed down in Germany....Poland was where a great majority of Jews were executed during WWII...And a very large majority of the Polish population is eager to have the bases situated there....

As far as the elections go, will the UN have any involvement as monitors?

The part about Poland is very true.

And I'm sure the Germans want the US out anyhow.

[nycmuzik]

The US leadership hasnt revealed what role the UN will play in Iraq so I cant say...If I was gonna speculate then I'd say yes....You wanna make sure that the world doesnt think the elections are rigged cause god knows there's gonna be tons of people crying that....