Rumsfelds anti-war relatives disown him. HAHAHAHAHAHAH

[normalnoises]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F02%2F09%2Fwrums09.xml&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=22813

Rumsfeld family tie is first victim of war

By Tony Paterson

(Filed: 09/02/2003)

The American defence chief Donald Rumsfeld has been disowned by his anti-war relatives in north Germany, reports Tony Paterson

The Rumsfelds of Weyhe-Sudweyhe, an unremarkable red-brick suburb of Bremen, were once proud of their long-lost cousin, America's secretary of state for defence - but no longer.

Like many Germans, they are appalled by Donald Rumsfeld's hawkish attitude to military action against Saddam Hussein. About 18,000 anti-war demonstrators marched through Munich yesterday to protest at his presence at an international security conference - chanting slogans such as "No room for Rumsfeld!"

"We think it is dreadful that Donald Rumsfeld is out there pushing for a war against Iraq," Karin Cecere (nee Rumsfeld), 59, said from her two-up, two-down home last week. "We are embarrassed to be related to him," she told The Telegraph.

Margarete Rumsfeld, her 85-year-old mother, was equally dismissive: "We don't have much to do with him anymore. Nowadays he's just the American defence secretary to us, but for God's sake, he'd better not start a war," she added.

They used to feel differently. Twenty-five years ago, the German Rumsfelds were thrilled to welcome Mr Rumsfeld - then the United States ambassador to Nato stationed in Brussels - into their extended family.

Like many Americans keen to trace their European antecedents, Mr Rumsfeld had made contact with the Weyhe-Sudweyhe Rumsfelds, a branch of the family with whom his near relations had lost touch since his great-great-grandfather, Heinrich, emigrated to America during the 19th century.

Mr Rumsfeld paid three visits to Dietrich Rumsfeld, a bricklayer, and his wife Margarete in their small artisan's cottage. On the last occasion, they greeted him with chicken soup and roast pork for lunch "It was a really pleasant family gathering, almost like a wedding," said Mrs Cecere last week. "Mr Rumsfeld seemed a genuinely nice man. It is such a shame about his war ambitions."

She had grown up, she said, during the Second World War and her instincts were to search for a solution to the deadlock with Saddam that did not involve military action. "I was born in the war and saw its aftermath, and my mother went through it," she said. "There must be a peaceful way of solving the Iraq problem."

This change of heart over their Rumsfeld cousin reflects the mood in Germany. More than 60 per cent of Germans oppose a war and the US defence secretary has become a hate figure for the country's peace movement.

His desire to topple Saddam by force is at odds with the Social Democrat-led government of Chancellor Gerhard Schröder, which is directly opposed to war in Iraq.

Even before his arrival in Germany yesterday, Mr Rumsfeld had faced fierce criticism from senior German government officials for describing France and Germany as "old Europe".

Last week he caused further outrage when he told the House Armed Services Committee in Washington that Germany, like "Libya and Cuba", had indicated that it "did not want to help in any way" the international efforts to tackle Iraq.

The German government attempted to play down the criticism. "Mr Rumsfeld is like he is. I can say no more," said Joschka Fischer, the foreign minister. Other senior politicians were more explicit. "Rumsfeld has flipped out - his behaviour is impossible," said Klaus Kinkel, a Free Democrat and former foreign minister.

Some Germans have misgivings, however, that their country's hard line against war with Iraq may backfire - especially if, as widely predicted, France drops its own objections at the last minute and joins in military action.

Angela Merkel, the leader of the Christian Democrats, yesterday became the first opposition figure to call for Germany to become involved. "If it is impossible to solve the situation peacefully then Germany has to take part in a military operation," she said, accusing Mr Schröder's government of "spreading ill-will and confusion" in Nato.

In Munich Mr Rumsfeld sought to dispel the furore over his own comments by claiming that he had intended the phrase "old Europe" as a term of affection, like that of "old friends".

He admitted that he was sometimes inclined to be blunt - but blamed it on his German roots. "My family originates from northern Germany. People there are well known for their direct and clear manner of speaking."

His explanation did not impress most Germans - least of all his cousins in Weyhe-Sudweyhe. Mrs Cecere said: "We're all in favour of plain-speaking but our relation goes just too far."

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"...the US defence secretary has become a hate figure for the country's peace movement."

Well apparently, the US defense secretary has become a hate figure in his own family too. What a shame.

File under: "We are ashamed that the US Secretary of Defense is a relative in our family".

[cintron]

got to love the strong ties of family.

I think they should be ashamed of themselves to allow politics to become a rift. In family there should be a love that transcends politics, or lifestyles. Apparently not in his family and that's a shame.

I don't think i'ts something people should laugh at and applaud. I think it's tragic to see something like that happen.

what if YOUR family rejected YOU for YOUR beliefs? I think the last thing in the world you would want is for that to happen, and then for it to become a humorous anectode to the anti-war crowd's morning coffee and newspaper.

[siceone]

seriously that's disgusting

you never post anything postive you know that?

[mr mahs]

Originally posted by normalnoises

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F02%2F09%2Fwrums09.xml&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=22813

Rumsfeld family tie is first victim of war

By Tony Paterson

(Filed: 09/02/2003)

The American defence chief Donald Rumsfeld has been disowned by his anti-war relatives in north Germany, reports Tony Paterson

The Rumsfelds of Weyhe-Sudweyhe, an unremarkable red-brick suburb of Bremen, were once proud of their long-lost cousin, America's secretary of state for defence - but no longer.

Like many Germans, they are appalled by Donald Rumsfeld's hawkish attitude to military action against Saddam Hussein. About 18,000 anti-war demonstrators marched through Munich yesterday to protest at his presence at an international security conference - chanting slogans such as "No room for Rumsfeld!"

"We think it is dreadful that Donald Rumsfeld is out there pushing for a war against Iraq," Karin Cecere (nee Rumsfeld), 59, said from her two-up, two-down home last week. "We are embarrassed to be related to him," she told The Telegraph.

Margarete Rumsfeld, her 85-year-old mother, was equally dismissive: "We don't have much to do with him anymore. Nowadays he's just the American defence secretary to us, but for God's sake, he'd better not start a war," she added.

They used to feel differently. Twenty-five years ago, the German Rumsfelds were thrilled to welcome Mr Rumsfeld - then the United States ambassador to Nato stationed in Brussels - into their extended family.

Like many Americans keen to trace their European antecedents, Mr Rumsfeld had made contact with the Weyhe-Sudweyhe Rumsfelds, a branch of the family with whom his near relations had lost touch since his great-great-grandfather, Heinrich, emigrated to America during the 19th century.

Mr Rumsfeld paid three visits to Dietrich Rumsfeld, a bricklayer, and his wife Margarete in their small artisan's cottage. On the last occasion, they greeted him with chicken soup and roast pork for lunch "It was a really pleasant family gathering, almost like a wedding," said Mrs Cecere last week. "Mr Rumsfeld seemed a genuinely nice man. It is such a shame about his war ambitions."

She had grown up, she said, during the Second World War and her instincts were to search for a solution to the deadlock with Saddam that did not involve military action. "I was born in the war and saw its aftermath, and my mother went through it," she said. "There must be a peaceful way of solving the Iraq problem."

This change of heart over their Rumsfeld cousin reflects the mood in Germany. More than 60 per cent of Germans oppose a war and the US defence secretary has become a hate figure for the country's peace movement.

His desire to topple Saddam by force is at odds with the Social Democrat-led government of Chancellor Gerhard Schröder, which is directly opposed to war in Iraq.

Even before his arrival in Germany yesterday, Mr Rumsfeld had faced fierce criticism from senior German government officials for describing France and Germany as "old Europe".

Last week he caused further outrage when he told the House Armed Services Committee in Washington that Germany, like "Libya and Cuba", had indicated that it "did not want to help in any way" the international efforts to tackle Iraq.

The German government attempted to play down the criticism. "Mr Rumsfeld is like he is. I can say no more," said Joschka Fischer, the foreign minister. Other senior politicians were more explicit. "Rumsfeld has flipped out - his behaviour is impossible," said Klaus Kinkel, a Free Democrat and former foreign minister.

Some Germans have misgivings, however, that their country's hard line against war with Iraq may backfire - especially if, as widely predicted, France drops its own objections at the last minute and joins in military action.

Angela Merkel, the leader of the Christian Democrats, yesterday became the first opposition figure to call for Germany to become involved. "If it is impossible to solve the situation peacefully then Germany has to take part in a military operation," she said, accusing Mr Schröder's government of "spreading ill-will and confusion" in Nato.

In Munich Mr Rumsfeld sought to dispel the furore over his own comments by claiming that he had intended the phrase "old Europe" as a term of affection, like that of "old friends".

He admitted that he was sometimes inclined to be blunt - but blamed it on his German roots. "My family originates from northern Germany. People there are well known for their direct and clear manner of speaking."

His explanation did not impress most Germans - least of all his cousins in Weyhe-Sudweyhe. Mrs Cecere said: "We're all in favour of plain-speaking but our relation goes just too far."

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"...the US defence secretary has become a hate figure for the country's peace movement."

Well apparently, the US defense secretary has become a hate figure in his own family too. What a shame.

File under: "We are ashamed that the US Secretary of Defense is a relative in our family".

Who cares..

I bet Rumsfeld doesn't care either..

[igloo]

ignore abnormalnoises...his posts never warrant replies (even those I just lowered myself and indirectly did)

[normalnoises]

Ignorance has it's benefits doesn't it igloo? Would you prefer if Billy boy has his family shot for being against him? I bet you would like that. Too bad they have no CDs to burn.

[siceone]

Originally posted by normalnoises

Ignorance has it's benefits doesn't it igloo? Would you prefer if Billy boy has his family shot for being against him? I bet you would like that. Too bad they have no CDs to burn.

Seriously you should shut up.

[normalnoises]

Originally posted by siceone

Seriously you should shut up.

Seriously you should read the first amendment.

"what if YOUR family rejected YOU for YOUR beliefs?"

It would suck but as far as I'm concerned about Rumsfeld, I have to make an exception for him. He deserved what came to him and what is coming to him. He is a disgrace. I hope his wife and kids disown him next.

[cintron]

Originally posted by normalnoises

It would suck but as far as I'm concerned about Rumsfeld, I have to make an exception for him. He deserved what came to him and what is coming to him. He is a disgrace. I hope his wife and kids disown him next.

spoken like a true, honorable and dignified fuck-off.

[normalnoises]

Originally posted by cintron

spoken like a true, honorable and dignified fuck-off.

Spoken like a true honorable and dignified deviate.

You are so mature .

[siceone]

Originally posted by normalnoises

Spoken like a true honorable and dignified idiot.

You are so mature .

Like wise old man

[normalnoises]

Originally posted by siceone

Like wise old man

It's "likewise". Not "like wise". And thank you for describing yourself.

so your location is "Missing", huh?

Sounds like the only part of you that's "missing" is your brain.

[siceone]

Originally posted by normalnoises

It's "likewise". Not "like wise". And thank you for describing yourself.

so your location is "Missing", huh?

Sounds like the only part of you that's "missing" is your brain.

wow. now that is pathetic

Care to do the man dance sally?

[cintron]

Originally posted by normalnoises

It's "likewise". Not "like wise". And thank you for describing yourself.

so your location is "Missing", huh?

Sounds like the only part of you that's "missing" is your brain.

oh tee hee! Look Johnny! he's trying to make a comeback! Isn't that so cute?!

baby you're so funny when you try to talk.

c'mon now, stop playing with the big kids. they're hurting you and it's no good for your asshole either. you're going to get an infection. now go ahead and stuff some gauze in there and let the wound heal up.

[normalnoises]

Originally posted by siceone

wow. now that is pathetic

Care to do the man dance sally?

Can I do it on your head?

[nycmuzik]

The relatives were bribed to say that...

[frenchbread]

Originally posted by nycmuzik

The relatives were bribed to say that...

yea...

i think so too...

i think clinton bribed them......

and the lefties are the ones with the improbable conspiracy theories......seriously...

[normalnoises]

I bribed them!