mr mahs Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 The gloves are coming off boys... The boys in PARIS are starting to feel the heat.. The G8 will be very interesting I still can't fathom how anyone in the world can take economic advice from France who's economy is in the toilet... France and the United States proclaimed a new start after their feud over Iraq today but Colin Powell, the Secretary of State, made clear that Paris was not forgiven and President Chirac could expect a bumpy ride when he meets President Bush next week.On the French side, M Chirac and Dominique de Villepin, his Foreign Minister, showed that for all the talk of reconciliation, Paris would still stand up against the American-centred view of the world at the summit of the G8 group of nations in France on June 1.General Powell, on his first visit to Paris since the UN battle over Iraq, welcomed France's vote, along with those of Russia and Germany, for the Security Council resolution lifting sanctions today and endorsing the US-led administration of Iraq.This, he said, was a first step on the path back to better relations."Does that mean that the disagreements of the past are forgotten? No, it wasn't a very pleasant time," he said. "We have to work our way through that."He added: "Let's not paper it over. Let's not pretend it didn't happen". Asked if he continued to believe that France should be punished for opposing the United States, he said it was "appropriate to draw conclusions and consequences follow". General Powell, who first spoke of punishing France last month, singled out plans by the US Defence Department to downgrade military cooperation with Paris.M de Villepin, who was hosting a session of Foreign Ministers from Britain Russia, Germany and the other members of the G8 group, cast the UN vote as a gesture of fence-mending after the feud among allies. "The war has taken place. Now it is time to restore the unity of the international community," said Mr de Villepin. M Chirac's aides said that, with war and peace no longer the issue, Paris was more ready to compromise with Washington. However, M de Villepin skirmished publicly with General Powell today. For France, the New York vote meant that "the UN is back" after America's go-it-alone war and that the world organisation was conferring legitimacy on post-war Iraq, he said. The chaos in Iraq and the past week's terrorist attacks had proved France right in its belief that only the United Nations could ensure peace and that the war would breed more violence by Islamic extremists, he said. Taking a swipe back at his French colleague, General Powell said: "We are not achieving new legitimacy with this resolution that did not exist in the past."Today's Franco-American exchanges, made in separate news conferences, reflected the gulf still separating Paris and Washington despite France's attempts to sweeten the atmosphere ahead of the G8 summit in the Alpine spa town of Evian. Over the past two days, M Chirac and M de Villepin have again set out the French view that the world needs a "multi-polar" system, code for the idea that American power must be balanced by that of Europe, China and other centres. While economic stagnation and the Iraq aftermath will set the tone at Evian, M Chirac has used his prerogative as host to set an agenda loaded with themes that do not inspire enthusiasm from Mr Bush. These range from sustainable development and the environment to ways of softening the impact of globalisation on the developing world.In his pose as apostle for "humane globalisation", M Chirac has been busy wooing leaders of the anti-capitalist movement who want to turn the Evian summit into a jamboree of protest. Although some hardliners want to restage protests of the type seen in Seattle in 2000 and Genoa in 2001, the mainstream "alternative-globalisation" movement sees France as something of an ally, especially since its opposition to the Anglo-American war in Iraq. The protestors are to be corralled at Annemasse, 20 miles down Lake Geneva from Evian, and some 6,000 security police from France, Switzerland and Germany have been assigned to keep the peace.M Chirac took another crack at the Americans today, telling a conference on drugs that the world's worst example was now Afghanistan, which has become the main supplier of heroin to Europe since the US invasion ended the Taleban regime there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassa Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 it is really sad that global diplomacy from the US has resorted to such low, childish standards...damnit, just because they didn't agree with you illegally going into iraq and forcing your presence there doesn't mean they're not going to cooperate or help efforts in the world anymore.i am appalled that US foreign policy has sunken to this level.seriously, how much further is this "i hate france" bullshit going to go on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 Originally posted by sassa it is really sad that global diplomacy from the US has resorted to such low, childish standards...damnit, just because they didn't agree with you illegally going into iraq and forcing your presence there doesn't mean they're not going to cooperate or help efforts in the world anymore.i am appalled that US foreign policy has sunken to this level.seriously, how much further is this "i hate france" bullshit going to go on... Please shut the fuck up already....seriously.....Fucking shitbag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassa Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 Originally posted by igloo Please shut the fuck up already....seriously.....Fucking shitbag why, because i don't agree with your views? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 Originally posted by sassa why, because i don't agree with your views? Because you are tired blowhard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassa Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 Originally posted by igloo Because you are tired blowhard your pathetic little routine is getting old, stop fucking flooding these threads with your bullshit insults. if you don't have anything constructive to say, then don't post anything at all.you are such a jackass...i feel sorry for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 Originally posted by igloo Because you are tired blowhard No, it's because you have no arguement and nothing to back your words... idiot!GROW THE FUCK UP OR SHUT THE FUCK UP!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 Originally posted by mr mahs The gloves are coming off boys... The boys in PARIS are starting to feel the heat.. The G8 will be very interesting I still can't fathom how anyone in the world can take economic advice from France who's economy is in the toilet... France and the United States proclaimed a new start after their feud over Iraq today but Colin Powell, the Secretary of State, made clear that Paris was not forgiven and President Chirac could expect a bumpy ride when he meets President Bush next week.On the French side, M Chirac and Dominique de Villepin, his Foreign Minister, showed that for all the talk of reconciliation, Paris would still stand up against the American-centred view of the world at the summit of the G8 group of nations in France on June 1.General Powell, on his first visit to Paris since the UN battle over Iraq, welcomed France's vote, along with those of Russia and Germany, for the Security Council resolution lifting sanctions today and endorsing the US-led administration of Iraq.This, he said, was a first step on the path back to better relations."Does that mean that the disagreements of the past are forgotten? No, it wasn't a very pleasant time," he said. "We have to work our way through that."He added: "Let's not paper it over. Let's not pretend it didn't happen". Asked if he continued to believe that France should be punished for opposing the United States, he said it was "appropriate to draw conclusions and consequences follow". General Powell, who first spoke of punishing France last month, singled out plans by the US Defence Department to downgrade military cooperation with Paris.M de Villepin, who was hosting a session of Foreign Ministers from Britain Russia, Germany and the other members of the G8 group, cast the UN vote as a gesture of fence-mending after the feud among allies. "The war has taken place. Now it is time to restore the unity of the international community," said Mr de Villepin. M Chirac's aides said that, with war and peace no longer the issue, Paris was more ready to compromise with Washington. However, M de Villepin skirmished publicly with General Powell today. For France, the New York vote meant that "the UN is back" after America's go-it-alone war and that the world organisation was conferring legitimacy on post-war Iraq, he said. The chaos in Iraq and the past week's terrorist attacks had proved France right in its belief that only the United Nations could ensure peace and that the war would breed more violence by Islamic extremists, he said. Taking a swipe back at his French colleague, General Powell said: "We are not achieving new legitimacy with this resolution that did not exist in the past."Today's Franco-American exchanges, made in separate news conferences, reflected the gulf still separating Paris and Washington despite France's attempts to sweeten the atmosphere ahead of the G8 summit in the Alpine spa town of Evian. Over the past two days, M Chirac and M de Villepin have again set out the French view that the world needs a "multi-polar" system, code for the idea that American power must be balanced by that of Europe, China and other centres. While economic stagnation and the Iraq aftermath will set the tone at Evian, M Chirac has used his prerogative as host to set an agenda loaded with themes that do not inspire enthusiasm from Mr Bush. These range from sustainable development and the environment to ways of softening the impact of globalisation on the developing world.In his pose as apostle for "humane globalisation", M Chirac has been busy wooing leaders of the anti-capitalist movement who want to turn the Evian summit into a jamboree of protest. Although some hardliners want to restage protests of the type seen in Seattle in 2000 and Genoa in 2001, the mainstream "alternative-globalisation" movement sees France as something of an ally, especially since its opposition to the Anglo-American war in Iraq. The protestors are to be corralled at Annemasse, 20 miles down Lake Geneva from Evian, and some 6,000 security police from France, Switzerland and Germany have been assigned to keep the peace.M Chirac took another crack at the Americans today, telling a conference on drugs that the world's worst example was now Afghanistan, which has become the main supplier of heroin to Europe since the US invasion ended the Taleban regime there source please??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cintron Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 its called politics you fucking shitheads.France tried to stab us in the back and hold it over our heads [remember the coalition of the unwilling?]so now we give them a little shove in their direction.I don't see anything illegal about what they did and i dont see anything illegal about what we're doing. Since when are we obligated to bend over and take it in the ass. If they can't take it they shouldn't be dishing it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassa Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 Originally posted by cintron its called politics you fucking shitheads.France tried to stab us in the back and hold it over our heads [remember the coalition of the unwilling?]so now we give them a little shove in their direction.I don't see anything illegal about what they did and i dont see anything illegal about what we're doing. Since when are we obligated to bend over and take it in the ass. If they can't take it they shouldn't be dishing it out. come on, maybe they have ulterior motives for their opposition to US policies, but at least they are not trying to illegally invade a country just because they don't like the leader. there's a lot of atrocities committed in many other countries, why are they not being targeted? guess they don't have enough natural resources for the US to tap into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 Originally posted by sassa come on, maybe they have ulterior motives for their opposition to US policies, but at least they are not trying to illegally invade a country just because they don't like the leader. there's a lot of atrocities committed in many other countries, why are they not being targeted? guess they don't have enough natural resources for the US to tap into. pure stupidity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassa Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 Originally posted by igloo pure stupidity enough is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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