joeg Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 After the RIAA used out-of-context quotes from Techfocus's interview with Fred Von Lohmann of the EFF, and without obtaining permission to use such media, Techfocus chose to ban all known RIAA IP addresses from viewing the site.http://techfocus.org/comments.php?id=3662&catid=17Since then, more than 5,000 have downloaded the file containing the IP addresses to block, and many have reportedly put similar blocks on their websites.Techfocus also found an interesting loophole in the RIAA's legislative baby, the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, which illegalizes circumvention of "access controls." So if the RIAA attempts to break through such attempts at blocking access, they could be theoretically sued by their own pet law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgmodel Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotcheme Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 yeah can you summarize what that means to me please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialectics Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 its the hottest thing ever. it means that someone figured out the IP Address (that is how a computer is identified over the internet) of computers that come from the RIAA. Now the owners of websites can block the RIAA computers from viewing their websites if they wanted to.But since it would be really easy for the RIAA people to use someone else's computer, or to change their IP addresses, there is a catch.The DMCA (digital millenium copywrite act) is this terrible law which, among other things, makes it illegal to try and break into any computer system that doesn't want you. since you're explicitly blocking the RIAA from accessing your website, technically if anyone acting on behalf of the RIAA accesses your website from any computer, they could be charged with violating the DMCA.This is cool because the DMCA is what the RIAA has been using to try and arrest people who download music. veni... vedi... vici.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djqwest Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 I love it. As you could imagine the RIAA are not the friends of Metro Mix. QWest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siceone Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 bend over and take it slow lars bend over and take it slow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djqwest Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 Originally posted by siceone bend over and take it slow lars bend over and take it slow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgmodel Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 Originally posted by dialectics its the hottest thing ever. it means that someone figured out the IP Address (that is how a computer is identified over the internet) of computers that come from the RIAA. Now the owners of websites can block the RIAA computers from viewing their websites if they wanted to.But since it would be really easy for the RIAA people to use someone else's computer, or to change their IP addresses, there is a catch.The DMCA (digital millenium copywrite act) is this terrible law which, among other things, makes it illegal to try and break into any computer system that doesn't want you. since you're explicitly blocking the RIAA from accessing your website, technically if anyone acting on behalf of the RIAA accesses your website from any computer, they could be charged with violating the DMCA.This is cool because the DMCA is what the RIAA has been using to try and arrest people who download music. veni... vedi... vici.... okay can someone define these acronyms??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted July 29 Author Report Share Posted July 29 Originally posted by siceone bend over and take it slow lars bend over and take it slow :laugh: :laugh: qwest, checkout the site and be sure to block the RIAA ips from MM's computers...Marko:RIAA - Recording Industry Association of America MPAA - Motion Picture Association of AmericaDMCA - digital millenium copywrite act Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgmodel Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 thank you~! hunny bear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djqwest Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 Done deal... Thanks for the heads up on this brotha...Qwest.Originally posted by joeg :laugh: :laugh: qwest, checkout the site and be sure to block the RIAA ips from MM's computers...Marko:RIAA - Recording Industry Association of America MPAA - Motion Picture Association of AmericaDMCA - digital millenium copywrite act Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skince55 Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 Originally posted by dialectics This is cool because the DMCA is what the RIAA has been using to try and arrest people who download music. veni... vedi... vici.... does this mean it is safe to download music now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted July 29 Author Report Share Posted July 29 Originally posted by dgmodel thank you~! hunny bear! np sweetie... skince: well, i don't think it was ever "unsafe" but this certainly does help protect us from ridiculous lawsuits... i'm pretty sure most of the big peer 2 peer clients are going to be blocking these ips aswell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skince55 Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 Originally posted by joeg skince: well, i don't think it was ever "unsafe" but this certainly does help protect us from ridiculous lawsuits... i'm pretty sure most of the big peer 2 peer clients are going to be blocking these ips aswell... what about the people have already been sued. It was unsafe for them wasn't it? or will this help those people too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialectics Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 all of the suits are complete bullshit. the only thing they can get from you is your ip address, which might not be static (e.g. you have DSL or dialup or some cable services or wireless) or it might be shared by an entire subnet. or if you download files from a public lab, where the ip address is fixed but who the hell knows who is using that computer at any given time? what they can do is subpoena your ISP to tell you how much traffic you've put in and to where, but again that evidence is only circumstantial: a good fileshare service will have basically ZERO traffic to its server or site, so it just looks like you're transferring files to lots and lots of other users. its convincing evidence, but circumstantial at best.finally, they are targeting people by their kazaa names, which are not unique. how many files have you downloaded from kazaaliteuser? what i really would like to see is the whole system get taken down by these lawsuits... have the DMCA challanged, have radio challanged, have the record labels brought down by their inability to see the most lucrative opportunity for profit, and then suing the people who have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djqwest Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 are you referring to online radio?Originally posted by dialectics what i really would like to see is the whole system get taken down by these lawsuits... have the DMCA challanged, have radio challanged, have the record labels brought down by their inability to see the most lucrative opportunity for profit, and then suing the people who have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stdiamante Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 so.. I guess good to d/l again?? =) =) =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialectics Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 no - i love online radio. what i despise is the "few to many" communication of broadcast radio. it is by nature an oligopoly, and all too often commercial conflicts of interest stand in the way of broadcasting integrity and innovation. online radio on the other hand, is currently being raped on royalties even though their business model is exactly the same as broadcast radio and unfortunately doesn't have the lobbying power that clearchannel does to skew the law into their favor. broadcast radio is tyranny, an exercize in mass mind control and fertile ground for modern day robber barons. onlnie radio on the other hand offers choice, freedom and the potential to expand people's horizons and minds instead of the same useless krill. IMHO we will not have freedom from broadcast radio until wireless devices that can alow users to cost-effectively surf through thousands of internet radio channles in your car just as easily as you can turn to "103.5" we'll still be stuck in the stone age.by the way - its probably still a risk to download... though if you stay clear of the major labels you'll be ok. if you download stuff from the indies you're costing them profit thereby hampering their ability to produce more good music. peaz,rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialectics Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 oh shit if you were talking about the "profit making enterprise" i was talking about:- online subscriptions for downloading individual songs- personalized continuous streams of music based on collaborative filtering and [A HREF=http://labrosa.ee.columbia.edu]content-based analysis[/a] - targeted effective marketing towards listeners, determining taste based on their collections. in other words, one to one marketing, the wet dream of anyone whose ever collected data for a demographic survey before.- subscription services to find pre-screened, fresh music based on individual taste- etc etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djqwest Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 Thank you for cleariying that.... you're opinions are rather on-point as well.Qwest.Originally posted by dialectics no - i love online radio. what i despise is the "few to many" communication of broadcast radio. it is by nature an oligopoly, and all too often commercial conflicts of interest stand in the way of broadcasting integrity and innovation. online radio on the other hand, is currently being raped on royalties even though their business model is exactly the same as broadcast radio and unfortunately doesn't have the lobbying power that clearchannel does to skew the law into their favor. broadcast radio is tyranny, an exercize in mass mind control and fertile ground for modern day robber barons. onlnie radio on the other hand offers choice, freedom and the potential to expand people's horizons and minds instead of the same useless krill. IMHO we will not have freedom from broadcast radio until wireless devices that can alow users to cost-effectively surf through thousands of internet radio channles in your car just as easily as you can turn to "103.5" we'll still be stuck in the stone age.by the way - its probably still a risk to download... though if you stay clear of the major labels you'll be ok. if you download stuff from the indies you're costing them profit thereby hampering their ability to produce more good music. peaz,rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted July 30 Author Report Share Posted July 30 rock on, rob... this constant censorship of music/movies/creativity in general all for money has got to end already... every artform has been raped by corporate america and has transformed into a assembly line of garbage for the masses... i'm so tired of it, and everything thats contributed to it...don't get me wrong, people gotta make money... but when it compromises the integrity of the artform in such a capacity... somethings gotta give... there needs to be a resurgance of new ideas and things that aren't done with a marketing formula... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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