Attn: Elitesnautica

[origskeemr]

I would have just PM'd you but just like my diet & lifting I am gettin lazy.

First off I am gunna start off wit I have no clue about dieting (just basics) but not all the tech stuff. I want to shread the fuck up and dont wanna be lazy like most of the other people that lift and let themselves go because it's winter. I feel that I worked way to hard to get where I am at to loose it now. My question is if you have any time can you tell me what I should and can eat to shread up (not loose weight).

Here is my eating habits:

Breakfast: Shake w/ banana, and I eat a chicken wrap or grilled chicken san (if I remember to take it before class)

Lunch: Steak, Tuna Melt, or Grilled Chicken San (I know the bread is bad) with shake

In between meal: Salad w/ chopped up hard boiled egg, cut up chicken, cheese, avocado, and dressing (ital or french).

Dinner: Grilled Chicken or Steak (whateva I feel like having but nothing else) with shake

*I eat steak like twice a day* lol

Aren't I suppose to add some things in here and take some out. I never really got into goin crazy and calculating serving sizes and shit, but if thats what it takes to shread up then so be it. Also the shakes I take are N-Large. I know everyone rags on it but it helps me a lot with my protein and showed me the best results so far. I use to take Andro-poppers but I heard that they come up on steriod tests (I dont do steriods and never will) so I decided to stop taking them. If you want to recomend stuff feel free.

I also started to run 3x a week with 5 lb. dumbells for about 15 on the treadmill. I lift 5x a week (sometimes 4) with pretty much heavy lifting due to fear of loosing size for an hour a day.

I'm 5'11" 190 lbs. I dont care if I gain a lil more but I dont wanna be a house (my preference) but I def dont wanna loose any weight. I'm pretty much content were I'm at but I'm always looking for improvement. I want the lil lovehandles I have to go away and I want the cuts that lead to the groin and a full 6 pack. The whole 9!!! BTW my pic is on pg.6 I believe of the picture thread if needed to help me out. Thanks for the help and sorry I had to make this thread long.

[elitesnautica]

Diet

1). How dedicated do you want to be with your diet. When you say shred up - are you meaning competition style or just want to look good with your shirt off???

2.) Do you prefer a high protein and fat diet with extremely low carbs (zero)?

Or would you rather have high protein, low carbs (no high glycemic carbs) and low fat?

Andro-poppers?

Andro-poppers - will not show up on steroid test. These test are extremely accurate as to the type of substances, which are in them. They use gas chromagraphy or even IR spectro analysis, which shows functional groups of each compound and the final result is basically a finger print of the compoud. There is no mistaking andro-poppers for any anabolic - even though it may contain some of the functional groups. (this is a defense that some athletes have used in the past - but it never worked - for good reason - it is not possible)

As far as being tested - why are you worried about a drug test - are you a college or professional athlete??? Just wondering.

If your reasoning for not taking juice is health concerns - then you must avoid all "prohormones" including andro poppers like the plague.

If your reasoning for not taking juice is that you want to be all natural - once again you need to avoid andro-poppers - b/c that is not natural. (It is damn sure not as natural as testosterone)

If your only reason is legality - then take prohormones if you wish - but the estrogen sides can make you hold water and look fatter than you are.

Cardio

Do NOT run with dumbells - it is extremely unatural and bad for the joints.

One way to perform cardio for a lifter would be on an empty stomach in the mornings. Get on the treadmill or stepper - walk at a steady pace for at least 30 minutes and work your way up to 45 minutes.

The BEST way to burn fat is to go to the track and do 30 minutes of wind sprints in the mornings - but most do want to put out that type of effort.

Loosing weight

Do not be concerned with loosing weight when you goal is to loose fat. It is a fact that you will loose weight while burning fat. But the more shredded you get - the bigger you will look. You may not feel that way - but trust me - if you take your shirt off and your are ripped and 180 lbs - you will look much much bigger than if you were fat and say 215 lbs.

Avoid the scales and look in the mirror, or even better take pictures. That is what matters - there is not reason for you to concern your self with weight.

Nautica

[origskeemr]

the reason I dont wanna take poppers is because I heard they were a steriod (I just prefer not to take steriods). If not then I dont mind taking them or any supplement that helps me (I heard Mag-10 was good). I'm not an athlete but I do play sports for fun and just to stay in shape. I dont lift for competition but rather for myself (stay in shape, hobby, and etc.)

About the diet: I dont care how my diet is as long as it works. I dont mind tuna, steak, fish, and grilled chicken. However, I was told to eat rice and other foods that I usually do not consume due to the fact I thought it was bad. That is why I was asking you about how my diet should be. I'm assuming I would rather have the high protein, low carbs, and low fat diet. Then again may know better.

I was told to run with dumbells cause it cuts up your arms as well when you run:confused: However, tomorrow I plan on purchasing a jumprope.

Thank you agian

[elitesnautica]

Are they steroids - NO - they are prohormones which claim to be converted into steroids once in the body. If they actually did convert then you would basically be taking steroids - if they do not convert then you are wasting your money.

The diet:

Meal 1 (Breakfast)

Multi-vitamin

400 mgs of Racemix-ALA or 200 ms of R-ALA

1 serving of oatmeal

40 grams of protein - (your choice egg whites or you can mix a low carb protein mix in the oatmeal for flavor) If you cook your eggs use olive oil. If you use protein mix take some flaxseed oil.

Meal 2

ALA (same)

Protein shake with 40 grams of protein and around 20 grams of carbs - VERY LOW SUGAR.

Meal 3 (Lunch)

ALA (same)

Flaxseed oil

1 serving of Rice (Brown) or 1 small sweat potatoe

40 grams of protein (chicken or fish or lean beef)

Meal 4

ALA (same)

Protein shake with 40 grams of protein and around 20 grams of carbs - VERY LOW SUGAR.

Meal 5 (Dinner)

ALA (same)

Flaxseed oil

1 serving of Rice (Brown) or 1 small sweat potatoe

40 grams of protein (chicken or fish or lean beef)

Meal 6 (around an hour before bed)

ALA (same)

Flaxseed oil

40 grams of protein - avoid carbs if at all possible

"Running with dumbells"

It does NOT cut your arms up. There are some major misconceptions when it comes to "cutting up". You must Lift weights to build muscle. The "cutting up" look comes from your diet and cardio - NOT ANY TYPE OF WEIGHTS.

For example - a 350 lb power lifter - is extremely cut up - but it is under many layers of adipose tissue. If he were to keep lifting weights the same way - but change he diet and cardio - He would then be cut up.

If you have ever seen Lee Priest in the off season you would understand what I am talking about. He is a fat peace of shit - if you dont believe me ask him. He still has the same muscle shape and definition in the off season but it is covered up. When it gets time for a competion - his lifting is the same - but he changes his diet and cardio. And there is nobody in the world (IMO) that is more cut up at competition time than Lee.

So give up the dumbells and save the arms for the weights. Build some good quality muscle - burn the fat and your arms will be cut.

Nautica

[origskeemr]

okay thank you again. How's jumprope? Also if I run do you suggest everyday or only a couple days a week. whats flaxseed oil?

[elitesnautica]

it is cis unsaturated fat - it helps clear the body of existing fat and is an essential fatty acid.

you can get it in nutrition stores.

It can be replaced with fish oils or MCT oils.

If you eat a meal with olive oil - you dont need to take it or if you eat a meal with salmon you will not need it for that meal.

Nautica

[elitesnautica]

Oh, and that avacado you mentioned in your other post - that is cool, too.

Nautica

[fineones]

sorry to jump in ...but just wanted to say that im also cuttin again for the same reason u are origskeemr...im glad im not alone on this one...most ppl just get sloppy and cover it up with a sweater...so i just wanted to wish u good luck ...and remeber NEVER MISS YOUR CARDIO..ull thank urself after its over

also what are u gonna do about drinking..if i recall u were drinking on ur bulk phase are u gonna keep that up ...i would highly suggest u drop it as soon as possible....( i am after this weekend)

but i dont remeber if u were drinking or not

for me it was the difference between where i wanted to be and actually being there ..u know

good luck kidd

[elitesnautica]

You could replace the alcohol with ghb - but that belongs on another board.

There are some bodybuilders that are known for rolling 1 night per week for a little extra burn and taking GHB every night.

Not that I would recommend either - but it does happen and it is an alternative to alcohol.

Nautica

[origskeemr]

Originally posted by fineones

sorry to jump in ...but just wanted to say that im also cuttin again for the same reason u are origskeemr...im glad im not alone on this one...most ppl just get sloppy and cover it up with a sweater...so i just wanted to wish u good luck ...and remeber NEVER MISS YOUR CARDIO..ull thank urself after its over

also what are u gonna do about drinking..if i recall u were drinking on ur bulk phase are u gonna keep that up ...i would highly suggest u drop it as soon as possible....( i am after this weekend)

but i dont remeber if u were drinking or not

for me it was the difference between where i wanted to be and actually being there ..u know

good luck kidd

yeh man I dont really wanna drink anymore but I also wanna enjoy my senior year in college. I think I'm gunna still drink but like once a week. However, I'm gunna see how it is for a month with drinkin a lil because I dont really drink beer just hard shit. Like you said I cant slack on cardio and its sumptin I have my mind set on so I will def do it. I will post a pic or tell you my results in a month or so considering I'm starting my diet on Mon. with my new supplements.

Originally posted by elitesnautica

You could replace the alcohol with ghb - but that belongs on another board.

There are some bodybuilders that are known for rolling 1 night per week for a little extra burn and taking GHB every night.

Not that I would recommend either - but it does happen and it is an alternative to alcohol.

Nautica

Yeh I'm gunna prob try to get my hands on G cause I really dont wanna drink. If I use it properly then I shouldnt have a problem but I will see cause I havent really done drugs in 2 years. I guess since they sold G over the counter before it cant be that bad as long as you moderate.

[fineones]

whats up with G ...i dont think ive ever dont it ?

[elitesnautica]

what up with G? - go over to the substance abuse board and we can discuss it - along with the others on that board who are much more knowlegable than I.

btw - if you drink - do shots of vodka or something like that. Also before drinking - take around 500 mgs of R-ala.

and remember the next morning - even if you have a hang over - you must get right back on the diet.

Drinking also decrease protein synthesis - but that is another issue.

Nautica