attn: current events peeps!!!!!!!!!

[fliptoniaaa]

O.k. ive posted on here a ocuple of times.....ill be up front with u guys...im an uuuullltttrraaaaa liberal!!!!!!!!!!!!

i just dont understand those of u that bcuz i dont have the same point of u as u...u pass judgement on me, make total asses of urselves calling me names or whatever, when u have absolutely no idea who i am!!!!!!!!!!

yes im gonna tell people my point of view, b-cuz like u guys i want more people to think like me.....so im obviously gonna state things that i like and that i want other people to experiecr to see if its to there liking too...i know its not gonna be to everyones liking, but thats the complex thing about being a human.....we all have to find a way to co-exist even though we think and act differently!!!!!!!!!!!!

im gonna post an article under here....if u find it un american, or stupid, or etc...etc...etc.... in stead of saying im an idiot bcuz i dont think like u....why dont u find an article stating ur point of view...so that people may read it and understand u more....instead of just shouting names through an internet message board!!!!!!!!!!!

so with that i will put my article!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your taxpayer dollars at work: Bush uses gov't resources to push re-election

The Treasury Department analyzes John Kerry's tax proposals and the numbers quickly find their way to the Republican National Committee. The Health and Human Services Department spends millions on ads promoting President Bush's prescription drug plan. The House Resources Committee posts a diatribe against Kerry's "absurd" energy ideas on its Web site.

With friends like these - all operating at taxpayer expense - who needs a re-election campaign?

In the time-honored tradition of presidents past, Bush is skillfully using the resources of the federal government to promote his re-election. And some critics say the president is going far beyond his predecessors in using government means to accomplish political ends.

"What this administration has done is taken trends from the past and then projected them into the stratosphere," said Allan Lichtman, a presidential scholar at American University. "We've never seen a political operation like this White House does, and that includes the maximum use of government resources."

Bush is flying Air Force One to battleground states at a clip that eclipses even that of President Clinton, known as a particularly political president. His Cabinet secretaries are covering additional ground to spread good news about the Bush administration. Even Secretary of State Colin Powell, who insists "I don't do politics," has chimed in to cast Kerry as a flip-flopper on jobs and to question his claim that some world leaders quietly prefer the Democratic presidential candidate over Bush.

With the House and Senate both in Republican hands, Bush gets plenty of help from Congress, too. The last president to have that advantage at re-election time was Jimmy Carter, and he was hardly a favorite of Democrats in Congress.

This year, congressional committees have posted anti-Kerry commentary on their Web sites. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., was out front in attacking the credibility of Richard Clarke, the former Bush administration official who criticized the president's terrorism policies. And House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., regularly uses his daily chats with reporters to critique "John Kerry & Co."

Some Democrats, predictably, are crying foul.

"This is the most say-anything, do-anything-to-get-re-elected administration in history," said Kerry campaign spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter, adding that the administration has "crossed the line" and gone beyond what is acceptable.

Rep. Robert Matsui of California, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, has complained that House Republicans abused taxpayer resources to attack Kerry on an official congressional Web site. Other Democrats tried to get the Medicare prescription drug ads yanked from TV, and asked the General Accounting Office to examine whether that was proper use of taxpayer dollars.

Doug Sosnik, who was White House political director during Clinton's re-election campaign, says any incumbent president "would be crazy not to take advantage of all opportunities of incumbency to get re-elected, but these guys have gone off in areas that are way over the line and I can't imagine that the American public will fall for any of it."

Republicans, in the spirit of the movie "Casablanca," say no one should be shocked, shocked that there is politics going on here.

Former Republican National Committee Chairman Rich Bond calls the whole issue "nonsense," especially the carping about the costs to taxpayers for White House travel to politically important states.

"Using federal government assets is unavoidable in terms of having contact with everyday people and it's a topic that White House lawyers from Ford to Carter to Reagan to Bush to Clinton and now to Bush have all struggled with to make sure that you don't break the law," Bond said.

Bush campaign spokesman Terry Holt said the campaign is careful to follow the law and "draw a bright line between our campaign activities and the absolutely important work the president does in serving the people as the president of the United States."

Paul Light, a professor of government at New York University, finds it ironic that Bush, who rarely passes up a chance to rail against government waste, is so adept at getting help from those on the federal payroll.

"Few presidents in history have exploited government as much as President Bush to get re-elected, yet few presidents have made government more the object of derision," he said.

"It all acts to corrode the public's confidence in what the government says," he added.

To one extent or another, all recent presidents have used the advantages of incumbency to promote their re-election - "at least the ones that get re-elected did," says Joe Lockhart, who was Clinton's White House spokesman. Except for the Medicare prescription drug ads run by HHS, Lockhart says most of what the administration has done is fair game. Clinton, he recalled, visited electoral-rich California dozens of times prior to his re-election.

"There's certainly nothing illegal about it and a lot of presidents have done it on a bipartisan basis," Lockhart said.

Bush has "out-traveled and out-targeted" Clinton in visiting the so-called swing states that are most likely to be closely contested, according to a study by Kathryn Dunn Tenpas, a visiting fellow at the Brookings Institution. Under campaign finance rules relied on by presidents of both parties, campaign dollars pay only a fraction of the costs of presidential travel, even for political trips; taxpayers finance the rest.

"While the trend toward utilizing the White House to maximize your electoral prospects began with President Nixon, I think it's only been strengthened during the Bush administration," Tenpas said.

and i have many more.....so stay tuned!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[siceone]

so you're a communist?

[fliptoniaaa]

Originally posted by siceone

so you're a communist?

no.....im the way the truth and the light!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[siceone]

that's cute where did you get that one from

[mr mahs]

Originally posted by fliptoniaaa

O.k. ive posted on here a ocuple of times.....ill be up front with u guys...im an uuuullltttrraaaaa liberal!!!!!!!!!!!!

i just dont understand those of u that bcuz i dont have the same point of u as u...u pass judgement on me, make total asses of urselves calling me names or whatever, when u have absolutely no idea who i am!!!!!!!!!!

yes im gonna tell people my point of view, b-cuz like u guys i want more people to think like me.....so im obviously gonna state things that i like and that i want other people to experiecr to see if its to there liking too...i know its not gonna be to everyones liking, but thats the complex thing about being a human.....we all have to find a way to co-exist even though we think and act differently!!!!!!!!!!!!

im gonna post an article under here....if u find it un american, or stupid, or etc...etc...etc.... in stead of saying im an idiot bcuz i dont think like u....why dont u find an article stating ur point of view...so that people may read it and understand u more....instead of just shouting names through an internet message board!!!!!!!!!!!

so with that i will put my article!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your taxpayer dollars at work: Bush uses gov't resources to push re-election

The Treasury Department analyzes John Kerry's tax proposals and the numbers quickly find their way to the Republican National Committee. The Health and Human Services Department spends millions on ads promoting President Bush's prescription drug plan. The House Resources Committee posts a diatribe against Kerry's "absurd" energy ideas on its Web site.

With friends like these - all operating at taxpayer expense - who needs a re-election campaign?

In the time-honored tradition of presidents past, Bush is skillfully using the resources of the federal government to promote his re-election. And some critics say the president is going far beyond his predecessors in using government means to accomplish political ends.

"What this administration has done is taken trends from the past and then projected them into the stratosphere," said Allan Lichtman, a presidential scholar at American University. "We've never seen a political operation like this White House does, and that includes the maximum use of government resources."

Bush is flying Air Force One to battleground states at a clip that eclipses even that of President Clinton, known as a particularly political president. His Cabinet secretaries are covering additional ground to spread good news about the Bush administration. Even Secretary of State Colin Powell, who insists "I don't do politics," has chimed in to cast Kerry as a flip-flopper on jobs and to question his claim that some world leaders quietly prefer the Democratic presidential candidate over Bush.

With the House and Senate both in Republican hands, Bush gets plenty of help from Congress, too. The last president to have that advantage at re-election time was Jimmy Carter, and he was hardly a favorite of Democrats in Congress.

This year, congressional committees have posted anti-Kerry commentary on their Web sites. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., was out front in attacking the credibility of Richard Clarke, the former Bush administration official who criticized the president's terrorism policies. And House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., regularly uses his daily chats with reporters to critique "John Kerry & Co."

Some Democrats, predictably, are crying foul.

"This is the most say-anything, do-anything-to-get-re-elected administration in history," said Kerry campaign spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter, adding that the administration has "crossed the line" and gone beyond what is acceptable.

Rep. Robert Matsui of California, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, has complained that House Republicans abused taxpayer resources to attack Kerry on an official congressional Web site. Other Democrats tried to get the Medicare prescription drug ads yanked from TV, and asked the General Accounting Office to examine whether that was proper use of taxpayer dollars.

Doug Sosnik, who was White House political director during Clinton's re-election campaign, says any incumbent president "would be crazy not to take advantage of all opportunities of incumbency to get re-elected, but these guys have gone off in areas that are way over the line and I can't imagine that the American public will fall for any of it."

Republicans, in the spirit of the movie "Casablanca," say no one should be shocked, shocked that there is politics going on here.

Former Republican National Committee Chairman Rich Bond calls the whole issue "nonsense," especially the carping about the costs to taxpayers for White House travel to politically important states.

"Using federal government assets is unavoidable in terms of having contact with everyday people and it's a topic that White House lawyers from Ford to Carter to Reagan to Bush to Clinton and now to Bush have all struggled with to make sure that you don't break the law," Bond said.

Bush campaign spokesman Terry Holt said the campaign is careful to follow the law and "draw a bright line between our campaign activities and the absolutely important work the president does in serving the people as the president of the United States."

Paul Light, a professor of government at New York University, finds it ironic that Bush, who rarely passes up a chance to rail against government waste, is so adept at getting help from those on the federal payroll.

"Few presidents in history have exploited government as much as President Bush to get re-elected, yet few presidents have made government more the object of derision," he said.

"It all acts to corrode the public's confidence in what the government says," he added.

To one extent or another, all recent presidents have used the advantages of incumbency to promote their re-election - "at least the ones that get re-elected did," says Joe Lockhart, who was Clinton's White House spokesman. Except for the Medicare prescription drug ads run by HHS, Lockhart says most of what the administration has done is fair game. Clinton, he recalled, visited electoral-rich California dozens of times prior to his re-election.

"There's certainly nothing illegal about it and a lot of presidents have done it on a bipartisan basis," Lockhart said.

Bush has "out-traveled and out-targeted" Clinton in visiting the so-called swing states that are most likely to be closely contested, according to a study by Kathryn Dunn Tenpas, a visiting fellow at the Brookings Institution. Under campaign finance rules relied on by presidents of both parties, campaign dollars pay only a fraction of the costs of presidential travel, even for political trips; taxpayers finance the rest.

"While the trend toward utilizing the White House to maximize your electoral prospects began with President Nixon, I think it's only been strengthened during the Bush administration," Tenpas said.

and i have many more.....so stay tuned!!!!!!!!!!!!!

uh OH

Treasury to Probe Kerry Tax Analysts

Wed Apr 7, 9:00 AM ET Add White House - AP Cabinet & State to My Yahoo!

By JEANNINE AVERSA, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The Treasury Department (news - web sites)'s inspector general is looking into the agency's decision to analyze presumptive Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry (news - web sites)'s tax proposals. "We're going to do a preliminary inquiry into what was produced," Richard Delmar, counsel in the Office of Inspector General, said Tuesday.

"We're trying to determine the facts of what happened," Delmar said. "Depending on the facts we learn, something else may happen or not," he said.

The inquiry will look into allegations first reported by The Wall Street Journal that civil servants were used to calculate the costs of Kerry's tax plan, Delmar said. Federal law bars civil servants from working on political campaigns while on duty.

Treasury posted the analysis of Kerry's tax plan on its Web site on March 22.

Department spokesman Rob Nichols didn't comment on the inspector general's decision to look into the analysis of Kerry's tax plan, but he defended the agency's action.

"It is proper for the for the Treasury Department to analyze tax proposals so that members of Congress and the administration can be informed," Nichols said.

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, had requested that Treasury conduct the cost analysis.

The department's analysis of Kerry's plan had ignited criticism from some Democrats, including Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., who wanted Treasury's inspector general to determine whether any laws were broken.

"This `preliminary inquiry' should be a full-blown investigation into whether or not administration officials violated laws by using federal property and taxpayer dollars to finance the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign, Lautenberg said Tuesday.

Kerry's campaign manager, Mary Beth Cahill, welcomed the inquiry. "The use of government employees to analyze John Kerry's economic plan is an illegal use of resources," she said.

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[fliptoniaaa]

mr mahs!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap:

now thats the way to do it!!!!!!!!!! u see i put my point...he put his!!!!!!!!!!!!

and in saying this i say this!!!!!!!! we have read both articles....o.k. so then whos right....bush for being an asshole, or kerry for being an asshole.....u see what im getting at!?!?!?!?

[fliptoniaaa]

Again and again, George W. Bush has challenged the people of America and the world to choose between principle and following his tempting lead.

He makes plain that he will do horrible, amoral things, such as roll back environmental regulations, which will - according to reports by people called scientists by most, evil intellectuals by George W. Bush - cause 18,000 people a year to die prematurely. In return, he promised to put some money in people’s pockets via tax cuts.

Lead me not into temptation, but deliver me from evil.

George W. Bush made clear he wanted us to go without our allies into Iraq – even if he occasionally lied and said otherwise. He never hid the fact that he wanted the booty of oil and rebuilding contracts all to himself – and for those who were willing to follow him. Yes, more Americans would lose their lives if we went in without our allies. Yes, there was a greater risk of the mission being unsuccessful. Yes, the grounds for undertaking the mission were tenuous at best to begin with. But he promised the mission would be easy money, people giving us flowers and the second largest oil reserves on the planet. And so people supported his alliance-destroying hatred and arrogance.

Lead me not into temptation, but deliver me from evil.

George W. Bush sent out a call to the leaders of the world: either you are with me or you are against me. I am undertaking a mission you are being told is unjustified by those who are best in position to know – the UN weapons inspectors – he told the world’s leaders plainly. I am going to undertake this mission, regardless of what facts and evidence tell me, and anyone who comes along will get to share the booty; anyone who does not will miss out on millions and millions of dollars. Give me your sons lives, he told the world’s leaders, ignore the will of your people, and I will give your wealth beyond your wildest dreams and fame and popularity like you never imagined. Most leaders stood strong against the siren song, some did not.

Lead me not into temptation, but deliver me from evil.

George W. Bush had already depleted the nation’s coffers, having promised to line the pockets of those who had followed him with hordes of cash and bounteous jobs. The hordes and jobs never came. Then, he said to the people again, I will rob the coffers a second time. Support me, and I will line your pockets – I will give you $400 a head for your young ones. Let me line the pockets of the rich once again, leaving the nation in bankrupted tatters, and I will give your real wealth this time – not like the lies and empty promises I gave you before. Follow me into this temptation just one more time, and you will see. Empty the nation’s coffers with me, and I will make you rich. And again people gave their support to George W. Bush.

Lead me not into temptation, but deliver me from evil.

And now the President stands again before the nation and says plainly: I have bankrupted your nation without lining your pockets as promised, I have led your sons to death but delivered none of the riches or flowers I promised in return, instead of the glory I promised I have earned you the scorn of the good people of the world, I have put more deadly toxins into your air and water and food. And for all of this, I have given you nothing in return. But if you come with me further on the down the road, I will give you riches beyond your wildest dreams. I will give you wealth, prestige and security around the world. Fame and fortune and power.

He continued, doing his Lucifer-like job of making sure those being tempted know exactly what they are signing on for, thus making the purchase of their souls a valid contract.

Make no mistake, he told the people, I will never take the toxins out of the air, and might even put more in. I do not offer to unite you back with your friends and those who used to love you – you will live in isolation forever. And I will never put the money I took back in the nation’s coffers, no matter how the nation crumbles.

All I offer is a promise – the same one I gave you before which I did not keep – of wealth, power, and prestige beyond anything any people of this Earth have known before. Just follow me a little further down the path and I will show you all of this. Follow me, for I speak for the Lord, your Lord Jesus.

Oh Lord, who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name. Give us this day our daily bread, and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from Evil. For thine is kingdom, and the power, and the glory.

[mrmatas2277]

for an atheist Flip...u REALLY love quoting the Bible..

[fliptoniaaa]

Originally posted by mrmatas2277

for an atheist Flip...u REALLY love quoting the Bible..

cuz thats what most of u people understand......and i know ur smarter than that...the article is a double entandre!!!!!!!!!!!!!

as for me take passage from the book of good times!!!!!!!!!

[siceone]

Originally posted by fliptoniaaa

cuz thats what most of u people understand......and i know ur smarter than that...the article is a double entandre!!!!!!!!!!!!!

as for me take passage from the book of good times!!!!!!!!!

you are mind bogglingly ( is that a word?) Stupid my GOD have mercy on you.

[fliptoniaaa]

Originally posted by siceone

you are mind bogglingly ( is that a word?) Stupid my GOD have mercy on you.

thats the thing i dont believe in ur god....and once again judging some1 whe u have no idea who they really are!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[siceone]

Originally posted by fliptoniaaa

thats the thing i dont believe in ur god....and once again judging some1 whe u have no idea who they really are!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you don't have to belive in god. Im just praying to him whom I belive in to impart some wisdom on you.

[fliptoniaaa]

Originally posted by siceone

you don't have to belive in god. Im just praying to him whom I belive in to impart some wisdom on you.

dont u worry one day i will seek u , to have comversation with!!!!!!!!!!!!! so that we may both come to understand each other in a much more positive light!!!!!!!!!!!!

[siceone]

Originally posted by fliptoniaaa

dont u worry one day i will seek u , to have comversation with!!!!!!!!!!!!! so that we may both come to understand each other in a much more positive light!!!!!!!!!!!!

FIND ME IF YOU CAN MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

seriously if you do find me see me out whatever I would be most happy to talk to you about whatever. and I don't see you negatively perse.....

[siceone]

Originally posted by fliptoniaaa

dont u worry one day i will seek u , to have comversation with!!!!!!!!!!!!! so that we may both come to understand each other in a much more positive light!!!!!!!!!!!!

FIND ME IF YOU CAN MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

seriously if you do find me see me out whatever I would be most happy to talk to you about whatever. and I don't see you negatively per se.....