Pre-9/11 Acts Led To Alerts

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washingtonpost.com

Pre-9/11 Acts Led To Alerts

Officials Unsure Spying On Buildings Continued

By Dan Eggen and Dana Priest

Washington Post Staff Writers

Tuesday, August 3, 2004; Page A01

Most of the al Qaeda surveillance of five financial institutions that led to a new terrorism alert Sunday was conducted before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and authorities are not sure whether the casing of the buildings has continued since then, numerous intelligence and law enforcement officials said yesterday.

More than half a dozen government officials interviewed yesterday, who declined to be identified because classified information is involved, said that most, if not all, of the information about the buildings seized by authorities in a raid in Pakistan last week was about three years old, and possibly older.

"There is nothing right now that we're hearing that is new," said one senior law enforcement official who was briefed on the alert. "Why did we go to this level? . . . I still don't know that."

One piece of information on one building, which intelligence officials would not name, appears to have been updated in a computer file as late as January 2004, according to a senior intelligence official. But officials could not say yesterday whether that piece of data was the result of active surveillance by al Qaeda or came instead from information about the buildings that is publicly available.

Several officials also said that much of the information compiled by terrorist operatives about the buildings in Washington, New York and Newark was obtained through the Internet or other "open sources" available to the general public, including some floor plans.

Many administration officials stressed yesterday that even three-year-old intelligence, when coupled with other information about al Qaeda's plans to attack the United States, justified the massive security response in the three cities. Police and other security teams have been assigned to provide extra protection for the surveilled buildings, identified as the International Monetary Fund and World Bank headquarters in Washington; the New York Stock Exchange and Citigroup Center in New York; and the Prudential Financial building in Newark.

Intelligence officials said that the remarkably detailed information about the surveillance -- which included logs of pedestrian traffic and notes on the types of explosives that might work best against each target -- was evaluated in light of general intelligence reports received this summer indicating that al Qaeda hopes to strike a U.S. target before the November presidential elections.

But the characterization of the age of the intelligence yesterday cast a new light on Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge's announcement Sunday that the terrorism threat alert for the financial services sectors in the three cities had been raised. Ridge and other officials stressed Sunday the urgency of acting on the newly obtained information, but yesterday a range of officials made clear how dated much of the intelligence was.

One senior intelligence official said the information is still being evaluated.

A number of other buildings were mentioned in the seized computer files, but only in vague references, so officials decided not to issue alerts about them, an intelligence official said. They included the Bank of America building in San Francisco; the Nasdaq and American Stock Exchange buildings in New York, as well as two other sites in that city; and an undisclosed building in Washington and another in New Jersey.

"We chose not to release it because we decided they weren't anywhere near the same level of danger as the others," the official said.

President Bush and Vice President Cheney said in separate appearances yesterday that the new alert underscores the continuing threat posed by al Qaeda. At a news conference announcing his proposed intelligence reforms, Bush said the alert shows "there's an enemy which hates what we stand for."

"It's serious business," Bush said. "I mean, we wouldn't be, you know, contacting authorities at the local level unless something was real."

Employees at announced targets in New York and New Jersey arrived at work yesterday with a mix of defiance and jitters. Some said they wanted to send a message that terrorists could not deter them from living their lives as usual. Others were visibly shaken by the presence of heavily armed police officers and new barricades.

At the New York Stock Exchange, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg rang the opening bell. Exchange chief executive John A. Thain and Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) greeted arriving workers. "I wouldn't be surprised if attendance weren't higher today," Schumer said. "We are winning the war of nerves."

Much of the information about the targeted buildings is contained on a laptop computer and computer disks recovered during recent raids in Pakistan. A senior intelligence official said the cache also includes about 500 photographs, diagrams and drawings, some of them digital.

Two senior intelligence officials who briefed reporters on Sunday said the material showed al Qaeda operatives had cased the buildings both before and after the Sept. 11 attacks.

"I think the indications are that this has been a very longstanding effort on the part of al Qaeda," one official said Sunday, "that it dates from before 9/11, it continued after 9/11 and based on what it is that we are concerned about, we know about in terms of al Qaeda's plans and intentions that it probably continues even today."

Speaking about the five buildings, one official said, "I believe that since 9/11 they have been able to acquire additional information on these targets here in the United States, yes, I do."

Numerous officials said yesterday, however, that most of the information was compiled prior to the Sept. 11 attacks and that there are serious doubts about the age of other, undated files. One senior counterterrorism official said many of the documents include dates prior to Sept. 11, 2001, but there are no dates after that.

"Most of the information is very dated but you clearly have targets with enough specificity, and that pushed it over the edge," the counterterrorism official said. "You've got the Republican convention coming up, the Olympics, the elections. . . . I think there was a feeling that we should err on the side of caution even if it's not clear that anything is new."

One federal law enforcement source said his understanding from reviewing the reports was that the material predated Sept. 11 and included photos that can be obtained from brochures and some actual snapshots. There also were some interior diagrams that appear to be publicly available.

Other officials also stressed that, however long ago al Qaeda operatives compiled the surveillance details, the information was new to U.S. intelligence agencies and was almost unprecedented in the depth of its details. "All this stuff was fresh to us," one official said.

At the daily CIA's 5 p.m. counterterrorism meeting on Thursday, the first information about the detailed al Qaeda surveillance of the five financial buildings was discussed among senior CIA, FBI and military officials. They decided to launch a number of worldwide operations, including the deployment of increased law enforcement around the five buildings.

A senior intelligence official said translations of the computer documents and other intelligence started arriving on Friday. "We worked on it late, and through that night," he said. "We had very specific, credible information, and when we laid it in on the threat environment we're in," officials decided they had to announce it.

"It's not known whether the plot was active and ongoing," the official added. "It could have been planned for tomorrow, or it could have been scrapped. Maybe there were other iterations of it. In this environment, this was seen as pertinent information to get out to the public. There was discussion over the weekend, should we wait until Monday?"

Initially, top administration officials had decided to wait until yesterday to announce the alert, but more intelligence information was coming in -- both new translations of the documents, and analysis of other sources' statements -- that deepened their concern about the information, and persuaded them to move ahead swiftly. "There was a serious sense of urgency to get it out," the senior intelligence official said.

On Saturday, officials from the CIA, the FBI, the Homeland Security and Justice departments, the White House, and other agencies agreed with Ridge to recommend that the financial sectors in New York, Washington and North Jersey be placed on orange, or "high," alert. Ridge made the recommendation to Bush on Sunday morning, and Bush signed off on it at 10 a.m..

In New York yesterday, traffic backed up at tunnels and bridges into the city, Hercules and Atlas police teams toting rifles and machine guns checked vehicles, police helicopters crisscrossed the skies, and employees throughout the financial district stood in long security queues, showing their corporate identifications and bags to guards.

Around the NYSE in Lower Manhattan, rows of cement and metal barricades were in place and side streets were blocked off.

In Newark, officials set up concrete barriers and police teams around the 24-story Prudential building, where about 1,000 employees work. "I'm a little nervous," analyst Tracy Swistak, 27, told the Associated Press. "But I'm confident Prudential's doing everything they can to ensure our safety."

Staff writers John Mintz, Allan Lengel and Spencer S. Hsu in Washington and Michael Powell, Michelle Garcia and Ben White in New York contributed to this report.

[sasser]

DRUDGE REPORT

Much of the information that led authorities to raise the terror alert at several large financial institutions in the NY and D.C. areas was 3 or 4 years old... NYT Tuesday Page One Splash To Claim: Intelligence and law enforcement officials 'had not yet found concrete evidence that a terror plot or preparatory surveillance operations were still under way'... WASH POST Page One: Alerts Stemmed from Pre-9/11 Acts /// 'There is nothing right now that we're hearing that is new,' said one senior law enforcement official who was briefed on the alert. 'Why did we go to this level?... I still don't know that'... POST: 'Most of the information was compiled prior to the Sept. 11 attacks and that there are serious doubts about the age of other, undated files'...

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From what I see here, Ridge and the Bush Administration screwed up royally. Kerry's gonna eat them up on this. Using old documents that no longer mean shit and raising the phoney terror alert to another artificial high to create another aura of fear to scare the people into voting for these assclowns... C'mon!!

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DRUDGE REPORT

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From what I see here, Ridge and the Bush Administration screwed up royally. Kerry's gonna eat them up on this. Using old documents that no longer mean shit and raising the phoney terror alert to another artificial high to create another aura of fear to scare the people into voting for these assclowns... C'mon!!

Screwed up how retard?????......Issuing an alert on information they just recieved from a seized laptop just a week ago???????????.....

Much of the information about the targeted buildings is contained on a laptop computer and computer disks recovered during recent raids in Pakistan. A senior intelligence official said the cache also includes about 500 photographs, diagrams and drawings, some of them digital.

Other officials also stressed that, however long ago al Qaeda operatives compiled the surveillance details, the information was new to U.S. intelligence agencies and was almost unprecedented in the depth of its details. "All this stuff was fresh to us," one official said.

ANd surveillance does mean something to you, doesn't it retard????...On 9/10 if the govt issued a warning because they picked up information on surveillance of the WTC that was two years old, would you have complained?

Amazing how you selectively picked information in this article or just went with the headline, instead of analyzing it its entirety....

The article specifically states the surveillance and information may be old---but we just found out about it....

Also, Intelligence officials said that the remarkably detailed information about the surveillance -- which included logs of pedestrian traffic and notes on the types of explosives that might work best against each target -- was evaluated in light of general intelligence reports received this summer indicating that al Qaeda hopes to strike a U.S. target before the November presidential elections.

"Most of the information is very dated but you clearly have targets with enough specificity, and that pushed it over the edge," the counterterrorism official said. "You've got the Republican convention coming up, the Olympics, the elections. . . . I think there was a feeling that we should err on the side of caution even if it's not clear that anything is new."

There is much more in the article you should be looking at, instead of automatically turning your Bush hatred on, and making absurd, reckless statements so you can feel like Howard Dean......

If something did happen in NY at one of these spots, and there were no alerts given, douchebags like you would be the first calling for Bush's head, congressional hearings, and marching in NYC wearing a "What Bush knew" t-shirt......you fucking clown.....

Douchebags like you created hysteria about the August PDB in your lies about what Bush knew about 9/11....and it turned out to be nothing, except to prove douchebags like you are......lying, hating douchebags.....funny how you don't hear too much about that PDB anymore--it used to be the centerpeice of the douchebag left's lies......

Wake up retard.....if anyone it is the assclown, it is you.....

[mrmatas2277]

Screwed up how retard?????......Issuing an alert on information they just recieved from a seized laptop just a week ago???????????.....

Much of the information about the targeted buildings is contained on a laptop computer and computer disks recovered during recent raids in Pakistan. A senior intelligence official said the cache also includes about 500 photographs, diagrams and drawings, some of them digital.

Other officials also stressed that, however long ago al Qaeda operatives compiled the surveillance details, the information was new to U.S. intelligence agencies and was almost unprecedented in the depth of its details. "All this stuff was fresh to us," one official said.

Amazing how you selectively picked information in this article or just went with the headline, instead of analyzing it its entirety....

The article specifically states the surveillance and information may be old---but we just found out about it....

Also, Intelligence officials said that the remarkably detailed information about the surveillance -- which included logs of pedestrian traffic and notes on the types of explosives that might work best against each target -- was evaluated in light of general intelligence reports received this summer indicating that al Qaeda hopes to strike a U.S. target before the November presidential elections.

"Most of the information is very dated but you clearly have targets with enough specificity, and that pushed it over the edge," the counterterrorism official said. "You've got the Republican convention coming up, the Olympics, the elections. . . . I think there was a feeling that we should err on the side of caution even if it's not clear that anything is new."

There is much more in the article you should be looking at, instead of automatically turning your Bush hatred on, and making absurd, reckless statements so you can feel like Howard Dean......

If something did happen in NY at one of these spots, and there were no alerts given, douchebags like you would be the first calling for Bush's head, congressional hearings, and marching in NYC wearing a "What Bush knew" t-shirt......you fucking clown.....

Douchebags like you created hysteria about the August PDB in your lies about what Bush knew about 9/11....and it turned out to be nothing, except to prove douchebags like you are......lying, hating douchebags.....funny how you don't hear too much about that PDB anymore--it used to be the centerpeice of the douchebag left's lies......

Wake up retard.....if anyone it is the assclown, it is you.....

pointless...some other person in the Miami board did the samething in response to my article about the laptop...i guess no one watches or reads the news where Ridge said there is "a lot of chatter" and "other independent" sources were used...its a lose/lose situation with this administration...if u dont raise the alert and something happens, they dropped the ball and should be held responsible...they raise the alert, and now they are accused of doing it for "political" reasons...typical....

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pointless...some other person in the Miami board did the samething in response to my article about the laptop...i guess no one watches or reads the news where Ridge said there is "a lot of chatter" and "other independent" sources were used...its a lose/lose situation with this administration...if u dont raise the alert and something happens, they dropped the ball and should be held responsible...they raise the alert, and now they are accused of doing it for "political" reasons...typical....

I hear ya......just blowhards.......the Bush hate is ridiculous....simpleton losers think it is trendy, so they go with it because they lack the capacity to think on their own.....

Any administration, Bush or Kerry, is not going to want to be an administration where a terrorist attacks occurs without issuing a warning......not after the reckless and shameless political hacks and the useful idiots in the media who orchestrated the "What Bush knew" campaign...

Here is some more relevant information, but it will be lost on the blind Bush haters:

Source: Terror attack to be in early September

BY KNUT ROYCE

WASHINGTON BUREAU

August 3, 2004

WASHINGTON -- More financial institutions than previously disclosed may be at risk of attack, and an al-Qaida operative has told British intelligence that the group's target date is early September, intelligence sources said yesterday.

The operative, described as "credible" by British intelligence, told his debriefers that the attack would take place "60 days before the presidential election" on Nov. 2, according to a former senior National Security Council official. On Sept. 2 President George W. Bush is expected to address the Republican National Convention at Madison Square Garden.

Counterterrorism officials are analyzing data from a computer seized in Pakistan last month to see if financial institutions in addition to the five disclosed Sunday are at risk of attack, U.S. officials said yesterday.

The former senior National Security Council official said he was told by British intelligence that they are interrogating an al-Qaida operative who confirmed that financial institutions are being targeted and that an attack was planned for September.

And a U.S. official familiar with the ongoing analysis of the computer said, "There are references to other things [buildings]" in the al-Qaida computer's data, including a picture of the Bank of America building in San Francisco. "There is mention of other places."

The laptop computer was seized on July 25 following the arrest after a 12-hour gun battle of Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, who is wanted for his alleged role in the 1998 bombing of two U.S. embassies in Africa.

Pakistan's information minister confirmed to The Associated Press yesterday that e-mail data retrieved from Ghailani's computer indicated planned attacks in both the United States and Britain. A British official said that the threat to the U.K. was not specific.

The CIA had tipped off Pakistani authorities on the location of Ghailani's safehouse in Gujrat, Pakistan, after tracking down an al-Qaida computer engineer, who had e-mailed the data to Ghailani, 12 days earlier, U.S. officials said.

The computer engineer, Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, ran a secret al-Qaida communications system and his arrest was described by a senior U.S. official as the "most significant" of a series of events that led to Sunday's raising of the threat level to "high" for five financial institutions. They are the New York Stock Exchange and Citigroup building in New York, as well as the Prudential financial building in Newark and the World Bank and International Monetary Fund buildings in the nation's capital.

The former NSC official, who asked to not be further identified, said that the al-Qaida operative in British custody, while confirming that financial institutions were at risk, did not know which financial institutions were being targeted. A CIA spokesman declined to comment.

The U.S. official who disclosed yesterday that CIA and other counterterrorism officials are studying the vast amounts of computer data stored in the laptop said that the information on other institutions "does not reach the level of detail" retrieved on the five named Sunday.

Nevertheless, he said, analysts "are continuing to exploit the data to see if anything boils to the surface."

[obby]

...its a lose/lose situation ....

Just like when Bush was informed of the 9/11 attacks while he was reading a book to our kids. Many complained that he should have dropped everything and figure out a way to protect us BUT yet those are the same people that would have said that he acted on impulse if he would have just "jumped up" and acted.

Its a lose/lose situation

In our current times it is now better to be safe than sorry.

[mursa]

...Fear is one of the most powerful emotions ,,,,in turn emotions interfer with Logic .

point Bush .

[sasser]

Arrogance only proves the points of the opinions opposite you and have no base in any debate little child.

Screwed up how retard?????......Issuing an alert on information they just recieved from a seized laptop just a week ago???????????.....

Much of the information about the targeted buildings is contained on a laptop computer and computer disks recovered during recent raids in Pakistan. A senior intelligence official said the cache also includes about 500 photographs, diagrams and drawings, some of them digital.

Other officials also stressed that, however long ago al Qaeda operatives compiled the surveillance details, the information was new to U.S. intelligence agencies and was almost unprecedented in the depth of its details. "All this stuff was fresh to us," one official said.

ANd surveillance does mean something to you, doesn't it retard????...On 9/10 if the govt issued a warning because they picked up information on surveillance of the WTC that was two years old, would you have complained?

Amazing how you selectively picked information in this article or just went with the headline, instead of analyzing it its entirety....

The article specifically states the surveillance and information may be old---but we just found out about it....

Also, Intelligence officials said that the remarkably detailed information about the surveillance -- which included logs of pedestrian traffic and notes on the types of explosives that might work best against each target -- was evaluated in light of general intelligence reports received this summer indicating that al Qaeda hopes to strike a U.S. target before the November presidential elections.

"Most of the information is very dated but you clearly have targets with enough specificity, and that pushed it over the edge," the counterterrorism official said. "You've got the Republican convention coming up, the Olympics, the elections. . . . I think there was a feeling that we should err on the side of caution even if it's not clear that anything is new."

There is much more in the article you should be looking at, instead of automatically turning your Bush hatred on, and making absurd, reckless statements so you can feel like Howard Dean......

If something did happen in NY at one of these spots, and there were no alerts given, douchebags like you would be the first calling for Bush's head, congressional hearings, and marching in NYC wearing a "What Bush knew" t-shirt......you fucking clown.....

Douchebags like you created hysteria about the August PDB in your lies about what Bush knew about 9/11....and it turned out to be nothing, except to prove douchebags like you are......lying, hating douchebags.....funny how you don't hear too much about that PDB anymore--it used to be the centerpeice of the douchebag left's lies......

Wake up retard.....if anyone it is the assclown, it is you

I heard they also just put out an alert regarding a possible attack on Pearl Harbor.

In all seriousness... this recent alert IS based on pre 9/11 intelligence... observe!

Oh, thanx for the entertainment.

Here, have a T-shirt.

[igloo]

I heard they also just put out an alert regarding a possible attack on Pearl Harbor.

In all seriousness... this recent alert IS based on pre 9/11 intelligence... observe!

Oh, thanx for the entertainment.

Here, have a T-shirt.

I keep asking myself that you can't possible be this dumb.....despite teh factthat you answer the question time and time again...It is just hard to believe the depths of your idiosy

Another Bush hating imbecile with blinders who can't comprehend facts in his face......laughable

[igloo]

New York Times

August 4, 2004

New Qaeda Activity Is Said to Be Major Factor in Alert

By DOUGLAS JEHL and RICHARD W. STEVENSON

ASHINGTON, Aug. 3 - Senior government officials said Tuesday that new intelligence pointing to a current threat of a terrorist attack on financial targets in New York and possibly in Washington - not just information about surveillance on specific buildings over the years - was a major factor in the decision over the weekend to raise the terrorism alert level.

The officials said the separate stream of intelligence, which they had not previously disclosed, reached the White House only late last week and was part of a flow that the officials said had prompted them to act urgently in the last few days.

The officials disclosed the information a day after the Bush administration acknowledged for the first time that much of the surveillance activity cited last weekend by Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge to justify the latest, specific warnings had been at least three years old. At the same time, the White House offered a vigorous defense of its decision to heighten the alert in Manhattan, Newark and Washington, with officials saying there was still good reason for alarm.

"I think it's wrong and plain irresponsible to suggest that it was based on old information,'' Scott McClellan, the White House spokesman, said of the heightened warning as President Bush traveled to Dallas on a campaign swing.

In an appearance in New York, Mr. Ridge responded forcefully to a question about whether election-year politics had played a part in determining how and when the intelligence was released.

"We don't do politics in the Department of Homeland Security,'' Mr. Ridge said.

He added: "The detail, the sophistication, the thoroughness of this information, if you had access to it, you'd say we did the right thing. Government should let the public know about situations like this. It's not about politics. It's about confidence in government telling you when they get the information.''

In addition to the surveillance activity, detailed in reports uncovered late last week from computer disks in Pakistan, a senior intelligence official said that "very current and recent activity on the part of Al Qaeda'' has left little doubt that "Al Qaeda is moving toward the execution stage of attacks here in the homeland.''

The language used by senior administration officials on Tuesday in warning of a possible attack was at least as strong as that Mr. Ridge used in announcing the alert on Sunday, and much stronger than the language used on Monday, when the officials acknowledged that the reconnaissance reports dated back to the period surrounding the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Among other things, one official disclosed on Tuesday that one intelligence report had pointed to a possible attack "in August or September.''

That shifting tone may prove frustrating to the public, providing little guidance for assessing the gravity of threat information whose details remain shrouded in intelligence reports not available to anyone outside the highest ranks of the government.

A senior White House official who mentioned the new stream of intelligence in an interview refused to say anything more about its source or content. The official said it had not been publicly disclosed out of concern that such a step could compromise intelligence and law enforcement operations in the United States and around the world. Officials would not describe those operations but said they were meant to disrupt a possible plot.

But senior federal intelligence and law enforcement officials also described the intelligence as important. They said it had reached the White House last Friday and strongly reinforced the sense of alarm prompted by the separate flow of information that was arriving at the same time via the Central Intelligence Agency from Pakistan and that was based on information culled from seized computer disks that contained detailed case reports of reconnaissance conducted on buildings in Manhattan, Newark and Washington in 2000 and 2001.

In providing new details about those case reports, senior government officials described them for the first time as discrete documents, each at least 20 pages long and devoted to a particular target, and perhaps most intriguingly, they said, written in "perfect English.''

The author of the reports was "obviously someone who has lived an extensive period of time in the West, exceptionally professional, exceptionally meticulous,'' a senior intelligence official said in a telephone interview. "Anyone who thinks that these terrorists are a bunch of ne'er-do-wells, if 9/11 didn't convince them, these case reports would convince them.''

Though the case reports do appear to have been completed before the Sept. 11 attacks, as Bush administration officials first acknowledged on Monday, some of the computer files appear to have been updated or accessed more recently. One was a file modified in January and including a photograph of a building, a senior White House official said. The official also said there was reason to believe that people associated with Al Qaeda who are still at large would have had access to the reports.

The officials would not identify the building that appears in the recently modified file, except to say that it was not one of the five that have been named. Those five are the New York Stock Exchange and the Citigroup Center in Manhattan, the Prudential building in Newark and the headquarters of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund in Washington.

The officials also acknowledged that they had not been able to assess the significance of the fact that the computer file had been modified. Such a modification could have meant that the file was updated with newly taken surveillance photographs but might simply have meant that the file had recently been opened and closed.

The White House officials spoke in a lengthy interview arranged at the request of The New York Times in which they offered a detailed accounting of the decision-making that led to the terrorist alert.

The computer disks on which the case reports were found were linked to Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, a 25-year-old Pakistani computer engineer who was arrested by Pakistani authorities on July 13, American officials have confirmed. The officials have described Mr. Khan's arrest, carried out at the request of the C.I.A. , as having provided the crucial breakthrough in the case, leading them not only to the case reports but also to information about other Qaeda officials still at large who appear to have had access to the documents.

Mr. Khan has been described as having cooperated with Pakistani and American interrogators, and some American officials said that the information he himself provided, as distinct from the computer records, may also have pointed to the prospect of a current threat of terrorism in New York and Washington.

A senior official from the Department of Homeland Security was among those who sought to emphasize that the computer files containing the case reports were not the only new source of intelligence being reviewed at senior levels of the administration in the hours before the alert was made public.

"All the information wasn't from one source; there was new information that was introduced late Friday night,'' the official said.

For weeks, senior intelligence officials have said that multiple streams of intelligence, including information provided from intercepted communications, interrogations of Qaeda prisoners and foreign intelligence services, had pointed to the increasing possibility of a major terrorist attack in the United States this year, most likely before the Nov. 2 election.

But the government officials said the intelligence reviewed only late last week was more significant in pointing to financial targets in New York and possibly Washington.

Eric Lichtblau contributed reporting for this article.

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I keep asking myself that you can't possible be this dumb.....despite teh factthat you answer the question time and time again...It is just hard to believe the depths of your idiosy

Another Bush hating imbecile with blinders who can't comprehend facts in his face......laughable