deepspell Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 what are the pros and cons? what would you prefer to use and why?just doing a lil research....any help would be appreciated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eKiTeL Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 I like reason because I'm very used to it, recycle is a relatively simple yet powerful way to handle loops, though it doesn't do time stretching like Ableton, it just adds or subtract space between the slices, Recycle allows you to cut your loop into slices as 8th notes, or any duration you want, where ever a note hits so you perserve the swing and groove of the original loop, which you can then be detected with Reason and apply the same groove to all your other midi patterns, especially the drum loop.... you can open 2 or 3 different rex players in reason with the same loop, and change the octave or just the built in filters to make each one sound different, and also by going into the sequencer you can rearrange the individual segments of the rex file to totally change the pattern, this is the real power of rex files!other great thing about reason is it's really low CPU usage, you can easily use it on an old laptop with pentium 3Ableton is great for time stretching, you can place markers right at the beginning of every section, or every bar, or every beat even and then adjust the bpm and each segment gets warped the exact amount neededLive used to be just for manipulating audio, with no midi instruments, but the latest version 4 allows you to control midi also, I haven't tried this functionI haven't really figured out the live aspect of Ableton, some people use Reason for live PA too, but I haven't tried that either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepspell Posted September 21 Author Report Share Posted September 21 good shit erik!!thats exactly what i wanna do with whichever program i buy....live PAi wanna learn to sample a vinyl thats spinnin into the lap top....break it down into its components and make a loop of the bass...the kick drum...whatever..do the same thing with another track...and then eventually put them all together and make a totally new track on the spot....gunna take alot of practice buuuttt i want to know which programs are better for that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eKiTeL Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 good shit erik!!thats exactly what i wanna do with whichever program i buy....live PAi wanna learn to sample a vinyl thats spinnin into the lap top....break it down into its components and make a loop of the bass...the kick drum...whatever..do the same thing with another track...and then eventually put them all together and make a totally new track on the spot....gunna take alot of practice buuuttt i want to know which programs are better for that....ableton is made for that, you can drag and drop the loops and they all get time stretched automatically, with reason you'd have to convert the loops to rex files first which is an extra stepthere is no program that will seperate the different sounds in one piece of audio, you have to go into the track and find parts that only have a few instruments, but there is no way to get only one instrument at a time unless there is a part with only that one instrument in the original track, you'd have to get all the instrument parts bounced down into seperate files from the producer of the track to do this... it's fun to do bootleg remixes because you can't control everything, you have to work with what you can take directly from the original track, so your choices are limited but it forces you to be more creative... the other thing is to use sample cd's and even loops you produce yourself, for that Reason is the easiest thing to use, or some people like fruity loops (usually d&b and hip hop guys) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepspell Posted September 21 Author Report Share Posted September 21 ableton is made for that, you can drag and drop the loops and they all get time stretched automatically, with reason you'd have to convert the loops to rex files first which is an extra stepthere is no program that will seperate the different sounds in one piece of audio, you have to go into the track and find parts that only have a few instruments, but there is no way to get only one instrument at a time unless there is a part with only that one instrument in the original track, you'd have to get all the instrument parts bounced down into seperate files from the producer of the track to do this... it's fun to do bootleg remixes because you can't control everything, you have to work with what you can take directly from the original track, so your choices are limited but it forces you to be more creative... the other thing is to use sample cd's and even loops you produce yourself, for that Reason is the easiest thing to use, or some people like fruity loops (usually d&b and hip hop guys)ahh i see.......i was under the impression that recycle breaks down the track into each of its individual parts......hmm so perhaps reason and recycle is the way to go IF i prepare the loops ahead of time....live would be better if i just wanted to loop a certain part of the song and fuck around with adding shit ontop of the loop its self.....hmmm.....this is pretty tough....gunna have to decide what i wanna work with......im gunna look for places in the city that have them set up and see if i can play around with them........maybe Topdjgear....might just call or go today if they are open Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eKiTeL Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 recylce will break it up somewhat, but for expample you find a loop that is just drums, on the first beat you have the kick, but also there's hi hat sound on the first beat also, you can do nothing to seperate the kick from the hi hat because they are right on top of each other, they happen at the same time in the recording, or on the second beat you have the kick and the snare hitting on that beat at the same, again there is no way to seperate them, it makes perfect sense if you think about it logically, now maybe in the intro outro or breakdown you might have a section with only the kick by itself, or only the snare by itself, but usually you have at least 2 or 3 different instruments at any one time... the trick is identifying those minimal sections you can use for your remix, the same thing is you're doing the remix liverecycly & reason is great because you can rearrange the beats in the loop, to make it sound different, it doesn't give you the total control you're talking about but it gives you enough to change them around until they become unrecognizable giving you your original sound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepspell Posted September 21 Author Report Share Posted September 21 fuck it might just buy both!! lol.....gotta start using these cool new programs meng.....only so much you can do with digital performer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eKiTeL Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 fuck it might just buy both!! lol.....gotta start using these cool new programs meng.....only so much you can do with digital performer well if you know digital performer you can get samplers for it that will play rex files, and also virtual synths and drum machines and all that stuff that reason has, reason is just more convenient with everything all togetheryou can also use rewire to link reason, and ableton with DP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepspell Posted September 22 Author Report Share Posted September 22 well if you know digital performer you can get samplers for it that will play rex files, you can also use rewire to link reason, and ableton with DPthis i did not know.....good shit erik! thank you so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pumavisor808 Posted September 23 Report Share Posted September 23 out of the 2, I would say ableton is much better at handling loops and such in a live situation.... That is what it is designed for...You just drag loops in and play them whenever you want, all perfectly beat matched....I have all the tracks/loops that I'm going to use pre-warped and then add them to my traditional DJ set (turntables/cds) wherever needed.... I've only been using it a few months now and might bring it to the club one of these nights... I've only used it @ home & on internet radio broadcasts so far.Reason is more of a production tool in my opinion.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepspell Posted September 23 Author Report Share Posted September 23 lets say your playin a record...and u wanna add a snare loop over it.....would live automatically beatmatch to whats playing or would you be able to match the pitch to whats playing like you would another record?sorry if the questions are silly but just never used any of these new fangled toys before lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pumavisor808 Posted September 23 Report Share Posted September 23 lets say your playin a record...and u wanna add a snare loop over it.....would live automatically beatmatch to whats playing or would you be able to match the pitch to whats playing like you would another record?sorry if the questions are silly but just never used any of these new fangled toys before lolit won't automatically do it for you.what I do is set a knob on my midi controller to control the tempo... Give it about a 5 BPM range and then just turn the knob to the desired BPM.... There's no actual "ptich bend" like a turntable. Certain new mixers like the A&H 92 and Ecler Nuo send a midi signal so they might actually match live to the record but I haven't tried that yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepspell Posted September 23 Author Report Share Posted September 23 ahh...understood what kinda midi controler do you suggest to get with it? i know that there is a package for reason that comes with one........but if i happen to get reason AND live....i wanna know if that midi controller will work with live....im sure it does.....its probly not specific to the program Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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