Read what you’re not reading about Iraq.

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oooops ,sorry iggy some more bad news , but look at it in a positive light only 17 dead today, and on really positve tip i hear that rumsfeld will ok the release of 10 thousand lollipops to be distributed by the soldiers to kids in basra

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Bombings and shootings Friday killed at least 17 people around Iraq on Friday. A suicide truck bomb ripped through a line of vehicles waiting at a checkpoint Friday in Fallujah, killing at least seven civilians.

Authorities in the capital discovered the bodies of six men who were blindfolded, handcuffed and shot in the back of the head, police said.

Car bombs killed three people in Samarra, where an attack on a Shiite shrine last month ignited nearly two weeks of sectarian violence.

A bomb hit a U.S. tank in east Baghdad, setting it afire and blowing off the treads, police said. The American military said the M1A2 Abrams tank hit a roadside bomb and the crew escaped unharmed.

A policeman in Tikrit died disarming a roadside bomb when a second explosive device detonated, also wounding two others.

In Samarra, where a Feb. 22 mosque bombing of a Shiite shrine ignited violence that killed about 500 people, two car bombs killed three people, including the imam at a Sunni Muslim mosque, and wounded five, police said. One bomb targeted police but killed a civilian. The other bomb, near the Sunni Qiba mosque, killed the preacher and another person.

In the Fallujah attack, the bomber detonated his explosives as large numbers of cars were waiting to pass through the security checkpoint going into the city, 40 miles west of Baghdad, said police Lt. Mohammed Taha. Two of the wounded were police.

The six corpses were found in two suburbs east of Baghdad, said police Capt. Maher Hammad Mousa. Four of them, men between the ages of 30 and 35, were found on the street in the Fudhailiya suburb shortly after dawn. The other two, men between the ages of 40 and 45, were discovered in the Kamaliya region shortly afterward. None of the bodies bore identification.

The developments came a day after the U.S. military said it planned to start moving thousands of detainees out of Abu Ghraib prison to a new lockup near the Baghdad airport within three months. The plan calls for the notorious facility to be handed back to Iraqi authorities as soon as possible.

Abu Ghraib had become perhaps the most infamous prison in the world, known as the site where U.S. soldiers abused some Iraqi detainees and, earlier, for its torture chambers during Saddam Hussein's rule.

The sprawling facility on the western outskirts of Baghdad will be turned over to Iraqi authorities once the prisoner transfer to Camp Cropper and other U.S. military prisons in the country is finished. The process will take several months, said Lt. Col. Barry Johnson, a U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad.

Abu Ghraib houses 4,537 of the 14,589 detainees held by the U.S. military in the country. Iraqi authorities also hold prisoners at Abu Ghraib, although it is not known how many.

The U.S. government initially spoke of tearing down Abu Ghraib after it became a symbol of the scandal. Widely publicized photographs of prisoner abuse by American military guards and interrogators led to intense global criticism of the U.S. war in Iraq and helped fuel the Sunni Arab insurgency.

But Abu Ghraib was kept in service after the Iraqi government, which does not have the money to build new jails, objected. Planning for the new facility at Camp Cropper began in 2004, Johnson said.

The Iraqi Cabinet said Thursday that it hanged 13 insurgents, the first executions of militants since Saddam's ouster.

The announcement listed the name of only one of those hanged, Shukair Farid, a former policeman in the northern city of Mosul, who allegedly confessed he had worked with Syrian foreign fighters to enlist fellow Iraqis to kill police and civilians.

"The competent authorities have today carried out the death sentences of 13 terrorists," the Cabinet announcement said.

Farid had "confessed that foreigners recruited him to spread the fear through killings and abductions," the government said.

A judicial official said the death sentences were handed down in separate trials and were carried out in Baghdad. The official spoke on condition of anonymity, fearing insurgent retribution.

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im so sorry to keep bringing the insidioius horrible truth to you Iggy , but heres another new poll for Dubya and the boys to ponder over

I love it ....its so over for you scummy neocons

WASHINGTON - More and more people, particularly Republicans, disapprove of President Bush's performance, question his character and no longer consider him a strong leader against terrorism, according to an AP-Ipsos poll documenting one of the bleakest points of his presidency.

Nearly four out of five Americans, including 70 percent of Republicans, believe civil war will break out in Iraq — the bloody hot spot upon which Bush has staked his presidency. Nearly 70 percent of people say the U.S. is on the wrong track, a 6-point jump since February.

"I'm not happy with how things are going," said Margaret Campanelli, a retiree in Norwich, Conn., who said she tends to vote Republican. "I'm particularly not happy with Iraq, not happy with how things worked with Hurricane Katrina."

Republican Party leaders said the survey explains why GOP lawmakers are rushing to distance themselves from Bush on a range of issues — port security, immigration, spending, warrantless eavesdropping and trade, for example.

The positioning is most intense among Republicans facing election in November and those considering 2008 presidential campaigns.

"You're in the position of this cycle now that is difficult anyway. In second term off-year elections, there gets to be a familiarity factor," said Sen. Sam Brownback (news, bio, voting record), R-Kan., a potential presidential candidate.

"People have seen and heard (Bush's) ideas long enough and that enters into their thinking. People are kind of, `Well, I wonder what other people can do,'" he said.

The poll suggests that most Americans wonder whether Bush is up to the job. The survey, conducted Monday through Wednesday of 1,000 people, found that just 37 percent approve of his overall performance. That is the lowest of his presidency.

Bush's job approval among Republicans plummeted from 82 percent in February to 74 percent, a dangerous sign in a midterm election year when parties rely on enthusiasm from their most loyal voters. The biggest losses were among white males.

On issues, Bush's approval rating declined from 39 percent to 36 percent for his handling of domestic affairs and from 47 percent to 43 percent on foreign policy and terrorism. His approval ratings for dealing with the economy and Iraq held steady, but still hovered around 40 percent.

Personally, far fewer Americans consider Bush likable, honest, strong and dependable than they did just after his re-election campaign.

By comparison, Presidents Clinton and Reagan had public approval in the mid 60s at this stage of their second terms in office, while Eisenhower was close to 60 percent, according to Gallup polls. Nixon, who was increasingly tangled up in the Watergate scandal, was in the high 20s in early 1974.

The AP-Ipsos poll, which has a margin of error of 3 percentage points, gives Republicans reason to worry that they may inherit Bush's political woes. Two-thirds of the public disapproves of how the GOP-led Congress is handling its job and a surprising 53 percent of Republicans give Congress poor marks.

"Obviously, it's the winter of our discontent," said Rep. Tom Cole (news, bio, voting record), R-Okla.

By a 47-36 margin, people favor Democrats over Republicans when they are asked who should control Congress.

While the gap worries Republicans, Cole and others said it does not automatically translate into GOP defeats in November, when voters will face a choice between local candidates rather than considering Congress as a whole.

In addition, strategists in both parties agree that a divided and undisciplined Democratic Party has failed to seize full advantage of Republican troubles.

"While I don't dispute the fact that we have challenges in the current environment politically, I also believe 2006 as a choice election offers Republicans an opportunity if we make sure the election is framed in a way that will keep our majorities in the House and the Senate," said Ken Mehlman, chairman of the Republican National Committee.

Stung by criticism, senior officials at the White House and the RNC are reminding GOP members of Congress that Bush's approval ratings may be low, but theirs is lower and have declined at the same pace as Bush's. The message to GOP lawmakers is that criticizing the president weakens him — and them — politically.

"When issue like the internal Republican debate over the ports dominates the news it puts us another day away from all of us figuring out what policies we need to win," said Terry Nelson, a Republican consultant and political director for Bush's re-election campaign in 2004.

Bowing to ferocious opposition in Congress, a Dubai-owned company on Thursday abandoned its quest to take over operations at several U.S. ports. Bush had pledged to veto any attempt to block the transaction, pitting him against Republicans in Congress and most voters.

All this has Republican voters like Walter Wright of Fairfax Station, Va., worried for their party.

"We've gotten so carried away I wouldn't be surprised to see the Democrats take it because of discontent," he said. "People vote for change and hope for the best."

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its ok iggy, i know reality and the truth can be harsh some times.

You lost,your on the wrong side of it aND the history books will not treat you and your kind well ,but its ok Its only a club messageboard go ahave a drink with cheney and chill the fuck out

bxbomb--there have been some morons around here, but you are right there on top with the worst....if you didn't prove it so easily on this thread on your own, it would be hard to believe....

Here is a thread about the fact that too often, the American people do not hear about the good news/progress/accomplishments that have gone on in Iraq, media bias, the influence that has on public opinion, that the soldiers who are there are extremely disappointed about that, and that irrespective of what side you were on (antiwar/prowar, Dem/GOP, Bush hater/Bushie, etc), we all deserve to hear the entire picture, and at the very least, it is what we owe those serving....

And the point was also made that moronic blowhards like you with the brain of a pubic hair either ignore or discount any positive news, and take joy in the bad news because you think it gives you a "I told you so" vagina rub.....

And what do you do?---continue to ignore the point, and continue to only promote the bad news (and a survey)........a remarkable display of utter stupidity, mind boggling ignorance, and a clear testament to someone without the ability to be better informed/educated....

Fuckting tool......could not have written a better script to describe the imbeciles like you floating about....

Classic, absolutely classic..............great job bxbomb, you fucking imbecile..

[bxbomb]

the wheels on the bus go round and round

nice try iggy.. you are my indentured servant , i will let you know when your 7 years are up

bxbomb--there have been some morons around here, but you are right there on top with the worst....if you didn't prove it so easily on this thread on your own, it would be hard to believe....

Here is a thread about the fact that too often, the American people do not hear about the good news/progress/accomplishments that have gone on in Iraq, media bias, the influence that has on public opinion, that the soldiers who are there are extremely disappointed about that, and that irrespective of what side you were on (antiwar/prowar, Dem/GOP, Bush hater/Bushie, etc), we all deserve to hear the entire picture, and at the very least, it is what we owe those serving....

And the point was also made that moronic blowhards like you with the brain of a pubic hair either ignore or discount any positive news, and take joy in the bad news because you think it gives you a "I told you so" vagina rub.....

And what do you do?---continue to ignore the point, and continue to only promote the bad news (and a survey)........a remarkable display of utter stupidity, mind boggling ignorance, and a clear testament to someone without the ability to be better informed/educated....

Fuckting tool......could not have written a better script to describe the imbeciles like you floating about....

Classic, absolutely classic..............great job bxbomb, you fucking imbecile..

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*******GOOD NEWS FLASH**********

only 70 dead this weekend Iggy , i guess the papers didnt play up the good news angle of no us soldiers dead for you , and i apologize for that

70 dead this weekend... Im sorry Igloo being that you think im so ignorant and all do me a favor and tell me the definition of Civil War , i would like to have it for future references

70 Iraqis Killed in Spasm of Violence

Attacks in Sadr City are the most deadly on a day political leaders outline new security plans.

By Louise Roug, Times Staff Writer

March 13, 2006

BAGHDAD — Bombs, rockets, mortar shells and gunfire on Sunday claimed the lives of more than 70 Iraqis and injured hundreds, as the government put on displays of unity and promised to overhaul security forces.

The most deadly violence — and Iraq's worst sectarian provocation since last month's bombing of a Shiite Muslim shrine in Samarra — took place in Sadr City, the sprawling Shiite slum in northeastern Baghdad, where apparently coordinated attacks killed 46 people and wounded more than 200 others.

Near sunset, two car bombs — one detonated by a suicide attacker — ripped through two busy markets less than a mile apart. The explosions were followed by rocket and mortar attacks, as residents bundled the wounded into their cars to get them medical attention and militiamen loyal to radical cleric Muqtada Sadr took to the streets, erecting checkpoints and firing AK-47s into the air.

Anwar Kadim, 23, a music student who lives near one market, described a chaotic scene. Body parts and glass littered the street among overturned stalls and smoking ruins.

"I saw people drowning in blood," he said. "We don't know the reason, who did this or why. God will take revenge."

The carnage and its aftermath played on Iraqi TV throughout the night.

Police later found the bodies of four men in Sadr City who had been shot. Papers had been pinned to their chests, saying, "These are traitors." Police believe the men were killed in retaliation for the attacks.

Explosions and gunfire killed 12 Iraqis elsewhere in the capital, and a dozen other bodies were discovered, some in a sewage ditch, police and hospital officials said.

The scenes played out against government officials' efforts to show political progress and greater unity among the parties.

Inside Baghdad's fortified Green Zone, Defense Minister Saadoun Dulaimi and Interior Minister Bayan Jabr — a Sunni Arab and a Shiite, respectively — appeared side by side earlier in the day, flanked by scores of police officers and army generals, to announce the security initiative after weeks of intense sectarian violence.

Under the new plan, which Jabr said had been hashed out between the two ministers at his house last week, the military and police would put together joint teams when making arrests. Security forces also would be required to issue detainees receipts stating the units of the arresting authorities. In addition, members of U.S.-led coalition forces would sit in on investigations to "ensure [their] integrity," Dulaimi said.

It was not clear whether there could be exceptions made to the joint-arrests rule and, if so, under what conditions.

Sunni Muslim Arabs have long complained that the Iraqi police force has been infiltrated by Shiite militiamen who are carrying out extrajudicial executions and torture. Almost daily, bodies are found somewhere in Iraq — bound, blindfolded and shot execution-style.

"It will help us find out who arrested the people who later show up dead," Dulaimi said of the planned changes.

Whereas the majority of police officers are Shiite, the Iraqi army predominantly consists of Kurds and Sunni Arabs.

The government dispatched soldiers to guard Sunni mosques, and police officers to protect Shiite places of worship, during the week of bitter bloodshed that followed the Feb. 22 bombing of the Golden Mosque in Samarra, a venerated Shiite shrine.

Dulaimi said that the two ministries would seek to work "as one team and not two." The Interior Ministry oversees the police forces; the Defense Ministry, the military forces.

In another move intended to ease tensions, interim Prime Minister Ibrahim Jafari held a rare meeting with interim President Jalal Talabani. The two men's longtime rivalry became apparent this month when Talabani, a Kurd, joined in opposing Jafari's renomination as prime minister by the main Shiite bloc, which won the most seats in the parliament elected in December.

But in a nod to Shiites, the president's office announced that the opening session of Iraq's new parliament would be moved up to Thursday. The session had been planned for Sunday, a major Shiite holiday during which many pilgrims travel to the holy city of Karbala.

The parliamentary session will set in motion the formation of Iraq's first full-term government since Saddam Hussein's regime was ousted in 2003.

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the wheels on the bus go round and round

nice try iggy.. you are my indentured servant , i will let you know when your 7 years are up

.....ssshhhhh....just get back on the "special" bus, and never, ever leave it again without adult supervision....silly little retard...

Otherwise, they will be forced to curb your Michael Moore ball rubbing privileges for a week, and you know how much you need that!

[igloo]

March 13, 2006, 8:15 a.m.

John, Meet Jack

We do have reliable information about how things are going in Iraq.

By Richard Nadler

In his article "You Don't Know Jack," John Derbyshire answers the critics of his thesis that the democratization of Iraq will fail who cite his lack of firsthand knowledge of Iraq. Derbyshire points out that visits to foreign countries provide scant evidence for forming foreign-policy decisions, even when the observer is knowledgeable, experienced, and honest.

On the same day his article was published, a group of Iraq War vets, speaking in the Murrow Room of the National Press Club, made the case that the democratization is succeeding — and they explicitly endorsed Derbyshire's caveat in making that case.

"I saw the good and the bad in Iraq — cooperation and hostility, war and reconstruction," said Lt. Lawrence Indyk, who was awarded a Purple Heart for his service. "But this war isn't about my personal experience. U.S. policy in Iraq aims to replace an ultra-aggressive, terror-harboring tyranny with a constitutional democracy, at peace with its neighbors. And to assess our progress on that track, we need metrics that are impersonal."

Look Who's Coming to Dinar

For the next hour and a half, Lt. Indyk, Marine Corporal Richard Gibson, and Marine Sergeant J. D. Johannes laid out their case. Lt. Indyk reported Iraqi growth in GDP and personal income. He contrasted the dinar's stabilization under the Coalition with the savings-wrecking inflations under the Baathist regime. He chronicled the increase in electrical supply, and the doubling of oil revenues in the post-Saddam era. He put numbers to the enormous increase in cell phones, cars, and satellite TVs.

Indyk discussed advances in services as well: the 60 percent decline of infant mortality in post-Saddam Iraq, and the improved access to schooling and medical care. And he described the explosion in business formation that has followed in the overthrow of one of the most regulated economies on earth.

Next he laid out metrics of democratization. First among these is surging participation of all segments of the Iraqi populace in elections, not only in the national government, but in Iraq's city and state elections as well. He enumerated, too, the growth of political parties, and proliferation of a free press in print and broadcast.

Then he admitted that facts like these, taken on their own, were insufficient for forming an accurate assessment of progress in Iraq.

"If material and institutional circumstances are really improving," he said, "this will be reflected in the attitudes of the Iraqi people themselves. The polls will either confirm what the official statistics tell us, or they will contradict those statistics."

Indyk then proceeded to describe the findings of the most extensive and scientific polls of Iraq opinion, performed by Arabic speakers for Oxford Research International near the beginning of 2004, then at the end of 2005. These polls covered all of Iraq's major regions and demographic groups.

Asked to compare their current lives with their lives under Saddam, Iraqis reported an improvement in availability of necessities, and an improvement in overall economic wellbeing. They reported superior access to clean water, health care, and education. Iraqi respondents believed that their local governments had improved. Asked what form of government they hoped to live under going forward, democracy won handily: four-to-one over the rule of one-man, and ten-to-one over totalitarianism.

Iraqis list security as their most pressing problem. But a plurality of Iraqis feel safer now than under Saddam, and a majority feel safer from ordinary crime. Moreover, better than 60 percent feel personally safe in their neighborhoods.

Marine Corporal Gibson's presentation sorted out these seemingly contradictory findings. The problem most Americans have, he said, in understanding Iraqi opinions on security, is that we operate from a different baseline. Iraq under Saddam was an incredibly violent place.

Iraq Body Count, an antiwar group that keeps a running tally of Iraqi civilian deaths, reports that the daily toll under the occupation falls in the range of 25 to 28 per day. But under Saddam's rule, the death toll averaged three times that, including 600,000 civilian executions recorded by the Documental Center for Human Rights, and the 100,000 Kurds killed during the Anfal operation. A violent day under the coalition would be just a routine day under Saddam.

"History is being written by the losers."

"Today," Gibson said, "the terrorists attack the government. In Saddam's day, they ran it."

Using the same methodology as Lt. Indyk, Corporal Gibson assessed the decline of the insurgency, first in hard numbers, then in the opinions of Iraqis themselves.

Coalition casualties declined by 27 percent in 2005. They have declined by 62 percent in 2006, measured against the comparable period of 2005.

The insurgent strategy of targeting Iraqi police and army units peaked in July of 2005. Since then, casualties among those units have declined by 33 percent.

Attacks on other soft targets are also down. For instance, there were 146 strikes against the oil infrastructure in 2004, compared to 101 in 2005.

The tipping point, Gibson contends, occurred last March, when the number Iraqi boots on the ground — police and army units — surpassed those of Coalition forces. From that point on, the new Iraqi government has proved increasingly able to hold and garrison areas that have been cleared on insurgents.

But more subtly, the growth of native Iraqi security shattered the coalition of Baathist recidivists and Sunni jihadists. The last thing the Baathist factions want is all-out sectarian civil war. "The tactics used to provoke it — mass slaughter of civilians — not only strengthens popular support for the government," said Gibson, "but threatens to turn that government into a blunt instrument of retribution against them."

From March of 2005 to September of 2005, the number of civilian tips informing on insurgents increased from 483 to 4,700, as numerous Sunni tribes declared outright war on al Qaeda. "The insurgency in Iraq," said Gibson, "is being dismantled by the equivalent of a Tips hotline."

Gibson cited polling of Iraqi opinion to support his thesis. Fifty-eight percent of Iraqis feel threatened by terrorists, compared with 10 percent who feel threatened by Coalition troops. And by 71 percent to 9 percent, Iraqis believe that their own security forces — Iraqi security forces — are winning the fight against terror.

"It is fascinating to contrast the triumphant face of the insurgency in our nightly news to the pessimistic assessments of its leaders in their intercepted correspondence," said Gibson. "My assessment of their prospects varies little from their own."

Former Marine Sergeant J. D. Johannes was a soldier during the first Iraq war. He returned to his old unit as combat reporter in the second. He offers this assessment:

Everyone knows that the history of war is written by the victors. But the war in Iraq has shattered that truism. In Iraq, history is being written by the losers. Baathist kidnappers and jihadist bombers are planning their operations not to win the war in Iraq, but to win it in America. To that end, they are assessing what American news organizations are willing to cover, and what American reporters are willing to risk. As an immediate result, many of the feeds on the nightly news are coming from Arabic sources that are either non-professional in their journalistic standards or hostile to American policy aims. As a long-term result, the American public is broadly misinformed on a war that Coalition arms and Iraqi democrats are, in fact, winning.

To summarize what the Iraq veterans said on March 9: We do "know jack" about Coalition progress in Iraq — and we know it the same way that we know other trends in social science — by hard numbers where they are available, cross-checked against the attitudes of those most directly affected by those numbers. "If Iraqis listened to American media," said Lt. Indyk, "they'd hear that their economy is wrecked and that their services are in shambles. They'd hear that they are less safe now than before the war, and that they are religious fanatics who demand a theocracy. But they don't get their news on Iraq through the Western media. They live there. And they say the opposite."

— Richard Nadler is president of America's Majority, the 501©(4) policy group that sponsored the March 9 press conference of Iraq war veterans.

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your not as smart as i thought, as the reason i gave the lil wheels on the bus quip was to imply that you my son are on the lil yellow bus , So either your too stupid to pick up on that , or you out of material

AND YOU STILL HAVE NOT GIVIN ME THE DEFINITION OF CIVIL WAR!!!

please do not cut and paste Negropontes definition

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[igloo]

your not as smart as i thought, as the reason i gave the lil wheels on the bus quip was to imply that you my son are on the lil yellow bus , So either your too stupid to pick up on that , or you out of material

AND YOU STILL HAVE NOT GIVIN ME THE DEFINITION OF CIVIL WAR!!!

please do not cut and paste Negropontes definition

]

SSsshhhhhhhhhhh.....no matter what you post, you can't hide your stupidity.....out of material:laugh: ....mental midget, your existence is enough material to laugh a lifetime......Just watching you continue to bury yourself makes it easy....fucking tool...

And just to refresh your memory, either because you can't read, or you are simply dumber than I even thought, or actually, both....

Here is a thread about the fact that the American people do not hear enough about the progress in Iraq...how do you respond?...post bad news....

Here is a thread about the fact that the mainstream media only goes with "if it bleeds, it reads" material...how do you respond..a bombing in Iraq....

Here is a thread about the fact that the media, and us, OWE IT to those who serve to get and hear the full picture for perspective....how do you respond--violence in Iraq

Here is a thread about the fact that both the GOOD and the BAD must be heard--how do you respond--just the bad., ignore the good

Here is a thread with plenty of information and facts about progress and accomplishments in Iraq we never get to hear about, and that this stuff should not be ignored...how do you respond--you ignore it.

Here is a thread about the fact that those in the military are disappointed about how the war is portrayed in the U.S.....how do you respond...they should not be there anyway (this is is the Imbecile Hall of Fame)....

Here is a thread saying that no matter what side of the divide you are on, you should want a balanced view of the war, and shoudl root for success....how do you respnd...neo-con, Bush sucks, civil war, blah, blah, blah...

Here is a thread exposing your stupidity, a thread where you are exactly what is being described...how do you respond--civil war.

Here is a thread calling out those who only seek the bad news, who are il informed and uneducated, who root for failure (the civil war drumbeat as the latest), can not put anything in perspective, etc how do you respond--with more mind boggling, no self-esteem stupidity....

Here is a thread that you are not embarassed about, after clearly making a fool of yourself, clearly demonstrating that you are EXACTLY the underlying meaning of the thread, and clearly avoiding the points and facts of the thread-even when getting called out about it...how do you respond--what is the definition of civil war (wow---a new definition of idiocy being born before us)

Like I said, I have come across some real imbeciles on this board, but you are clearly right there....and the pace to which you have no problem continuing this idiotic spiral of yours is unreal.........

Jerkoff.....let it go little leaguer......Not only are you just another Bush hating blowhard with the IQ of a rotted cunt, but you are not even good at it....Like I told you earleir, go back to your manual and at least get some better talking points.....at least pretend to be somewhat past a 3rd grade level.....

Back to the bus franks and beans

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your right smegma breath , i have never seen a threead on this board go off onto other topics within thread what was i thinking?

I humbly apologize dickless

NOW WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF CIVIL WAR???

[igloo]

your right smegma breath , i have never seen a threead on this board go off onto other topics within thread what was i thinking?

I humbly apologize dickless

NOW WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF CIVIL WAR???

Case closed.

Keep ignoring and trying to spin out of your ass kicking by "definition of civil war".....that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this thread...NOTHING...and no matter how you try to force the issue, it won't work....

And the definition of civil war???.........what is the point, so you can say "see, I told you so, Iraq is in a civil war, things are bad, ".......wow, great point schmuckboy.....really solidifies your status as a jerkoff......

There will be some who debate civil war is raging now...some will argue that there is no civil war....some will argue that civil war began early on (by technical definition, I believe 1000 deaths is the technical benchmark)....some will argue this is more like a mafia gangland fight than a true "civil war"........Again, what is the fucking point.....the specter of civil war by any definition is real jerkoff--thanks for pushing the obvious simpleton.....

My guess is this is simply the anti-Bush bandwagon topic of the moment for you, and jerkoffs like you who root for failure simply spew the headline without knowing what the fuck you are talking about anyway, whether it is real or not....

How about Pakistan--is there civil war going on there douchebag, by the same standards you think you are setting here......how about the fact that Iraqi's , SUNNI IRAQIs, are waging war against Al Qaeda...does that mean anything to you mental midget....

Once again you displayed you are a clueless blowhard with a remarkable ability to spew endless idiocy with no shame..........you would be better served to simply shut the fuck up......stick a Halliburton annual report in your cunt, and chant "no war for oil" a few times to ease the pain of displaying your horrific stupidity on this thread..

Show some pride son and melt away......embarassing....

[bxbomb]

Case closed.

Keep ignoring and trying to spin out of your ass kicking by "definition of civil war".....that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this thread...NOTHING...and no matter how you try to force the issue, it won't work....

And the definition of civil war???.........what is the point, so you can say "see, I told you so, Iraq is in a civil war, things are bad, ".......wow, great point schmuckboy.....really solidifies your status as a jerkoff......

There will be some who debate civil war is raging now...some will argue that there is no civil war....some will argue that civil war began early on (by technical definition, I believe 1000 deaths is the technical benchmark)....some will argue this is more like a mafia gangland fight than a true "civil war"........Again, what is the fucking point.....the specter of civil war by any definition is real jerkoff--thanks for pushing the obvious simpleton.....

My guess is this is simply the anti-Bush bandwagon topic of the moment for you, and jerkoffs like you who root for failure simply spew the headline without knowing what the fuck you are talking about anyway, whether it is real or not....

How about Pakistan--is there civil war going on there douchebag, by the same standards you think you are setting here......how about the fact that Iraqi's , SUNNI IRAQIs, are waging war against Al Qaeda...does that mean anything to you mental midget....

Once again you displayed you are a clueless blowhard with a remarkable ability to spew endless idiocy with no shame..........you would be better served to simply shut the fuck up......stick a Halliburton annual report in your cunt, and chant "no war for oil" a few times to ease the pain of displaying your horrific stupidity on this thread..

Show some pride son and melt away......embarassing....

now we are getting somewhere you actually decided to ALMOSTanswer the question

AND YEAH FUCKFACE

WE ALL TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!

[bxbomb]

your like a little spoiled 7 yr old kid who knows hes wrong and just tries to deflect everything with anger and "well he did this" and "she said that"

Quite frankly Iggy i couldnt give two fucking shits if there are anymore "feelgood" stories to come out of the clusterfuck in Iraq

CAse closed is the fact that we made a HUGE mistake by going there and some people have a hard time owning up to that , so i guess we have to blame the media for not backing up the mistake by letting everyone know that were turning baghdad into one giant reach-a-round fest.

so sorry the press is hitting you in the head with cold hard facts of the total fuckup that your so proud to be behind

[igloo]

Quite frankly Iggy i couldnt give two fucking shits if there are anymore "feelgood" stories to come out of the clusterfuck in Iraq

wow...that says it all

In sum, you got destroyed son....own up to that cunt

[bxbomb]

wow...that says it all

In sum, you got destroyed son....own up to that cunt

yeah thats says it all iggy im anti-american cause id rather have us out of iraq than to read stories of GIs playin soccer with little kids

your cunt has now been plowed how does it feel sally

[igloo]

yeah thats says it all iggy im anti-american cause id rather have us out of iraq than to read stories of GIs playin soccer with little kids

your cunt has now been plowed how does it feel sally

Is there any end in sight to your jibberish?.....Listen, and take this as a compliment.....you did an excellent job of proving you are a moron, and I will vote for you for an Executive position in the Imbecile Brigade....you deserve it for your unwavering commitment to idiocy.....this thread can be your campaign blueprint...

Not that it was needed, but your last post was the perfect summary that truly grabs the essence of your idiocy......that is your "soundbite" for your performance on this thread... :laugh:

Dickhead...never reproduce......never

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im impressed iggy whats this like the 14th post of you just calling me an imbecille , damn son your posts are chock full of substance

either you cut and paste loooooooong booorrrrrrring necon tinted blog articles or you resort to name calling. Thats mighty impressive messageboard strategy. Are you sure RUmmy didnt give you a call to help out with the effort over there in the middle east

man , woman or goat whatever it takes Iggy ...you need to get laid badly

Ill even chip in a few bucks

[igloo]

im impressed iggy whats this like the 14th post of you just calling me an imbecille , damn son your posts are chock full of substance

either you cut and paste loooooooong booorrrrrrring necon tinted blog articles or you resort to name calling. Thats mighty impressive messageboard strategy. Are you sure RUmmy didnt give you a call to help out with the effort over there in the middle east

man , woman or goat whatever it takes Iggy ...you need to get laid badly

Ill even chip in a few bucks

Repitition and repeatability is a necessary tactic in order to somewhat educate the mental defects of the world, in this case, you.

And imbecile (again??), your crying about the name calling can not hide the ass kicking you got on substance (and that word is used lightly to describe your contributions)....you got destroyed, and easily....you look and sounded like the schmuck that you are, and nothing can hide that....

Post "long and boring" neo-con articles... :laugh: ......."long" to you because you do not have the intellect to get beyond a Yahoo headline, and "boring" because it does not fit on a protest sign .....I know, you are used to Dr Suess books....I should keep that in mind

Another classic brainfart by you..... fucking classic:laugh:

bxbomb...you truly are an imbecile.......one fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish...

jerkoff

[bxbomb]

Repitition and repeatability is a necessary tactic in order to somewhat educate the mental defects of the world, in this case, you.

And imbecile (again??), your crying about the name calling can not hide the ass kicking you got on substance (and that word is used lightly to describe your contributions)....you got destroyed, and easily....you look and sounded like the schmuck that you are, and nothing can hide that....

Post "long and boring" neo-con articles... :laugh: ......."long" to you because you do not have the intellect to get beyond a Yahoo headline, and "boring" because it does not fit on a protest sign .....I know, you are used to Dr Suess books....I should keep that in mind

Another classic brainfart by you..... fucking classic:laugh:

bxbomb...you truly are an imbecile.......one fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish...

jerkoff

still seeking the substance

[bxbomb]

[igloo]

still seeking the substance

red fish, blue fish...

[bxbomb]

allday everyday

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HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY 87 peeps dead in a 24 hr. period

nope no civil war here to see... keep moving

your right iggy i need another Baghdads funny home video moment instead of this stupid thing called reality updated everyday

By ALEXANDRA ZAVIS, Associated Press Writers

50 minutes ago

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Police in the past 24 hours have found the bodies of at least 87 men killed by execution style shootings in a gruesome wave of apparent sectarian killing, the Interior Ministry said Tuesday. They include at least 29 bodies stacked in a mass grave in an eastern Shiite neighborhood.

Much of the bloodshed — the second wave of mass killings in Iraq since bombers destroyed an important Shiite shrine last month — followed deadly weekend explosions in a teeming Shiite slum in which 58 people died and more than 200 were wounded.

North of the capital, a roadside bomb exploded Tuesday among Shiite pilgrims headed on foot to the holy city Karbala, killing one person and injuring seven near Baqouba, police said.

With sectarian tension mounting, Iraq's Interior Ministry announced a ban on driving in Baghdad to coincide with the first meeting of Iraq's new parliament Thursday. The ban takes effect at 8 p.m. Wednesday and lasts until 4 p.m. Thursday.

Squabbling over the composition of a new government has delayed the inaugural session since the results of Dec. 15 parliamentary elections were confirmed over a month ago.

Leaders of Iraq's main ethnic and religious blocs began a series of marathon meetings Tuesday in an attempt to break the deadlock. U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad, who has been shuttling between the main factions, joined the session hosted by Shiite leader Adbul-Aziz al-Hakim.

The stakes are high for the United States, which hopes a strong and inclusive central government can stabilize the country so its forces can start drawing down in the summer.

Most of the discarded corpses were found in the capital and three in the northern city of Mosul, police said.

Acting on an anonymous tip, police found a 6-by-8-meter (yard) hole in a empty field. It contained at least 29 dead men — most of them in their underwear — in Kamaliyah, a mostly Shiite east Baghdad suburb, said Interior Ministry official Lt. Col. Falah al-Mohammedawi. He estimated they had been killed about three days ago.

Local residents offered scarves to help cover the bodies, which were laid out on the ground. Police guarded the site as members of a Shiite militia dug for more corpses. An Associated Press photographer took pictures of the grave but was warned not to publish them.

An abandoned minibus containing 15 more bodies was found earlier on the main road between two mostly Sunni west Baghdad neighborhoods — not far from where another minibus containing 18 bodies was discovered last week, said al-Mohammedawi.

At least 40 more bodies were recovered in Baghdad, including both Sunni and Shiite neighborhoods, said al-Mohammedawi.

They included four men shot in the head execution-style and hanged from electricity pylons in Sadr City, where two car bombs and four mortar rounds shattered shops and market stalls at nightfall Sunday, as residents shopped for food for their evening meals.

Scores of frightened Shiite families have fled predominantly Sunni parts of Baghdad in recent weeks, some of them at gunpoint. More than 100 families arrived between Monday and Tuesday alone in Wasit province, in the southern Shiite heartland, said Haitham Ajaimi Manie, an official with the provisional migration directorate. More than 300 Baghdad families are now sheltering in the province, he said.

The violence since the Feb. 22 bombing of the famed golden dome atop the Shiite Askariya shrine in Samarra has complicated negotiations for Iraq's first permanent, post-invasion government. A caretaker government has been in charge since the December elections, and U.S. and Iraqi officials fear the vacuum in authority is fueling the bloodshed.

Under pressure from the U.S. ambassador, leaders of the main ethnic and religious groups agreed Sunday to meet daily until they can unblock the political negotiations.

Among the most contentious issues is Shiite Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari's candidacy for a second term. Kurdish, Sunni and some secular leaders argue he is too divisive a figure and accuse him of doing too little to contain reprisal attacks on Sunni mosques and clerics after the Shiite shrine was destroyed.

The Shiite United Iraqi Alliance is itself divided over al-Jaafari. He won the nomination by just one vote last month in large part because of the support of radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. Al-Hakim favored Adil Abdul-Mahdi, one of two current vice presidents.

Also present at Tuesday's meeting were President Jalal Talabani and Massoud Barzani, leaders of the main Kurdish parties; Dhafir al-Ani, an official with the main Sunni bloc; and former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, a secular Shiite.

Scorched pavement, destroyed shops, burned out cars and the dangling bodies awaited Shiite residents emerging from their homes Monday in Sadr City.

The scene, although gruesome, was not what many had feared: That the deadly explosions the previous night would ignite all-out civil war.

Radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr — whose stronghold was targeted Sunday — refused to be provoked. With thousands of his Mahdi Army militiamen ready to fight, the anti-American leader called for calm and national unity.

Sunni religious leaders quickly condemned the assault on Sadr City.

Sheik Ahmed Abdul Ghafour al-Samaraie, head of the Sunni Endowment, the state agency responsible for Sunni mosques and shrines, called it "a cowardly and criminal act."

"There are some hands trying to add fuel to the fire for their own benefit," he said on television.

Britain, the United States' largest military partner in Iraq, showed its confidence Monday by announcing a 10 percent — about 800-troop — reduction by May.

"This is a significant reduction which is based largely on the ability of the Iraqis themselves to participate and defend themselves against terrorism, but there is a long, long way to go," British Defense Secretary John Reid said in London.

Bomb blasts and shootings in Baghdad and north of the capital, many of them targeting Iraqi police patrols, killed at least 15 more people Monday and wounded more than 40. They included a U.S. soldier who died in a roadside bombing, the military said. A U.S. Marine was reported killed Sunday in insurgent-plagued Anbar province.

The American deaths brought the number of U.S. military members killed to at least 2,308 since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

In Washington, U.S. President George W. Bush said insurgents were trying to ignite a civil war by escalating the violence.

"I wish I could tell you that the violence is waning and that the road ahead will be smooth," Bush said in a speech at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies at George Washington University. "It will not. There will be more tough fighting and more days of struggle, and we will see more images of chaos and carnage in the days and months to come."

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Associated Press Writers Sameer N. Yacoub and Qassim Abdul-Zahra contributed to this report from Baghdad