Liberal BBC News Broadcaster Joins al-Jazeera

[Guest slamminshaun]

I'm just waiting for the first so-called American journalist to join them....this guy is a piece of work.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4318284.stm

[Guest jamu]

"The most-watched news network in the Middle East, Al-Jazeera has the potential to greatly affect the future of regional democratization. Some welcome Al-Jazeera as a foil to state-controlled media in the region, and many see it a new vehicle to give voice to otherwise underrepresented perspectives. As the channel gives more airtime to reformist movements, it finds increasing hostility from less progressive factions in the Middle East. Its correspondents are banned from several Arab nations, and many leaders frown at the undue influence the channel wields. Washington has vilified the channel's airing of the Bin Laden tapes and its coverage of insurgent attacks in Iraq, but according to the Washington Post, this anger may be misdirected. The network has recently enacted its own brand of internal reforms, pledging greater accuracy, fairness, and dedication to presenting opposing points of view. With this commitment, Jazeera has become an unlikely ally with Washington in the fight for progressive democracy." –YaleGlobal

Please don't comment about things you really don't understand. Or post comments without understanding whats going on somewhere in the World with out understanding the history and heritage of a problem. You make your self look ignorant and makes you look like you don't know whats going on. Thats also a reflecton on our country.

[Guest slamminshaun]

I made an observation, not a comment....a liberal journalist from the BBC joined al-Jazeera. I didn't go into an conspiracy theories or anything like that did I?

But since you opened up the can of worms, how can one pledge greater accuracy and fairness unless they admit they were inaccurate and unfair in their reporting to begin with? I understand the TV reports I've seen translated into English....to be quite honest, they seemed like a pro-terrorist network the way they reported their news. By only reporting one side of the issue (the terrorist's side), they are shaping the minds of people in that region who aren't intellingent enough to shape their own mind. It has dangerous consequences for Americans.

[Guest jamu]

Because we have have done the same type of killing with the Idea of democracy and anti terroist commercials in our news. The Arab nation has in the past always been angry at the west for a great deal of injusticies done to them. So what do improvershed countires do to fight unjust actions on them, they use gorilla warfare tactics. Rich nations call it some fancy name, whether its gorilla warfare in the 80's or terrorism in the 00's. Its all the same thing. People who feel they have been treated unjustly and their religous or economic lives taken advantage of fight back as any human would do in their case. Just imagine if I came into your home seized it and said it was the the name of Allah. I know you would think of how to blow up my ass in a heart beat.

[Guest slamminshaun]

Just imagine if I came into your home seized it and said it was the the name of Allah. I know you would think of how to blow up my ass in a heart beat.

If Liberals were to take my home and give it to some rich fuck, I might just do that....wait a minute, liberals ARE doing that right here in the United States. Poor innocent minorities are having their homes and private property seized and turned over to rich corporations by tax-hungry liberals....read for yourself. If a liberal seizes YOUR home and gives it to a big, rich corporation, are you going to stand by your words and blow up your fellow liberals???

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0507a.asp

[Guest jamu]

Don't change the argument. It was a conservative parties that have pissed all over scared Arab traditions and lands. It would be a crime for me to let you degress and get out of this one so quickly. An example Regan and Bush both screwed over Pakistani's and Afgani's during the cold war. We used Al Qaeda to fight against Russian soldiers. We sent the CIA to train them and arm them. Mr Bush was in charge of the CIA and Mr Regan was calling the shoots. Karma is a Bitch isn't it.

[Guest dirtyhouse777]

Just imagine if I came into your home seized it and said it was the the name of Allah. I know you would think of how to blow up my ass in a heart beat.

If Liberals were to take my home and give it to some rich fuck' date=' I might just do that....wait a minute, liberals ARE doing that right here in the United States. Poor innocent minorities are having their homes and private property seized and turned over to rich corporations by tax-hungry liberals....read for yourself. If a liberal seizes YOUR home and gives it to a big, rich corporation, are you going to stand by your words and blow up your fellow liberals???

[url']http://www.fff.org/comment/com0507a.asp

interestingly enough, none of the leftists have responded to your post about the govmt seizing privately owned land....

[Guest saintjohn]

gorilla warfare

And you're lecturing people about looking "ignorant"?

An example Regan and Bush both screwed over Pakistani's and Afgani's during the cold war. We used Al Qaeda to fight against Russian soldiers.

Al Qaeda, as we now know it, didn't exist when the Soviet Union invaded (yes, invaded) Afghanistan (which happened during the Carter, not "Regan" administration, btw). There are certainly connections between the mujahideen and the Taliban and al Qaeda, but there are also important differences. Since you seem too busy posting your uninformed opinions to read a book or two on the subject, here's a little Wikipedia article that you may find informative:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen

If you take the time to peruse it, you'll discover that the mujahideen were "loosely-aligned opposition groups," not the al Qaeda organization we know and hate today, and that they were "significantly financed, armed, and trained" by "Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and China," as well as the United States. Should those other nations be worried about "karma," too?

Finally, if you knew anything about the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, you'd know that it was the Russians who really "screwed over" the civilian population there.

[Guest jamu]

gorilla warfare

And you're lecturing people about looking "ignorant"?

An example Regan and Bush both screwed over Pakistani's and Afgani's during the cold war. We used Al Qaeda to fight against Russian soldiers.

Al Qaeda, as we now know it, didn't exist when the Soviet Union invaded (yes, invaded) Afghanistan (which happened during the Carter, not "Regan" administration, btw). There are certainly connections between the mujahideen and the Taliban and al Qaeda, but there are also important differences. Since you seem too busy posting your uninformed opinions to read a book or two on the subject, here's a little Wikipedia article that you may find informative:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen

If you take the time to peruse it, you'll discover that the mujahideen were "loosely-aligned opposition groups," not the al Qaeda organization we know and hate today, and that they were "significantly financed, armed, and trained" by "Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and China," as well as the United States. Should those other nations be worried about "karma," too?

Finally, if you knew anything about the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, you'd know that it was the Russians who really "screwed over" the civilian population there.

"Al-Qaeda has its origins in the uprising against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Thousands of volunteers from around the Middle East came to Afghanistan as mujahideen, warriors fighting to defend fellow Muslims. In the mid-1980s, Osama bin Laden became the prime financier for an organization that recruited Muslims from mosques around the world."

Now we can argue semantics, spelling, and degress like children, or we can get to the heart of the issues which is that we built the monster that is terrorism. We funded it, we trained them, and we gave them the cause. We need to assume responsibility and take action to correct our past mistakes in a right and justly fashion. Not by waging war like lunatics against countries that have nothing to do with Afgan or Al Qaeda. Nor by making fun of potential future allies.

By the way Shaun, I have never had so much fun with a political argument. I think I have met a good match. 8)

[Guest slamminshaun]

We need to assume responsibility and take action to correct our past mistakes.

If we correct these "mistakes", should the US have to correct all its mistakes? Where does it stop?

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/200011/13_williamsb_reparations/

[Guest web_norah]

zzz Shaun............

everyday i watch the news, Bush looks like buffoon.

[Guest jamu]

It stops when we stop acting like fools, and appologize for our wrongs, and stand up straight as a Nation and admit that we like all other Nations have done things that we are not proud of, but are mature enough to correct our wrongs responsibly and reasonably.

[Guest slamminshaun]

Please join me in a chorus of "Kum Ba Yah"....haha....

I feel you bro, I really do...but its easier said then done. Every single ethnic, racial, and gender group has been wronged by this country at some point. What do you do, create a list and apologize for all of them? I doubt anyone would take such an apology seriously.

[Guest saintjohn]

It stops when we stop acting like fools, and appologize for our wrongs, and stand up straight as a Nation and admit that we like all other Nations have done things that we are not proud of, but are mature enough to correct our wrongs responsibly and reasonably.

And that's it? No more trying to restore the Caliphate? You really think that the leaders and members of the Sunni and Wahabi Islamist movements would be satisfied with a tearful apology and a military withdrawal from Iraq?

[Guest jamu]

Please join me in a chorus of "Kum Ba Yah"....haha....

I feel you bro' date=' I really do...but its easier said then done. Every single ethnic, racial, and gender group has been wronged by this country at some point. What do you do, create a list and apologize for all of them? I doubt anyone would take such an apology seriously.

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Probably not but it would be nice to hear someone say something along the lines of "Hey we fucked up. Let us do something for fucking that up, and lets move foward." But your right I doubt anyone would listen.

But there is another more important reason for an appology to the Muslim community. Its to take away the cause for terrorism. Its a defusion tactic. Much like psychologist use to defuse anger and hostile behavior.

When you appologize and work with the religious leaders to defuse the look of being a Western Devil and more of a Western Ally, you defuse alot of the extremest mentality. Blair is doing this in England and having great success. His work with Muslim leaders in England is defusing a lot of terrosit activity withint England. We should be leading the way in this and applying it Internationally with other Muslim Countries. I strongly believe that this is a more productive way of dealing with terrorism. Have their religous leaders on your side and make them look anti islamic. It would show them for who they are.... murders, not martyrs. It would also create a great deal of Allys and help us out economically to be partners with certain Muslim countries rather then enemies.

[Guest dirtyhouse777]

Please join me in a chorus of "Kum Ba Yah"....haha....

I feel you bro, I really do...but its easier said then done. Every single ethnic, racial, and gender group has been wronged by this country at some point. What do you do, create a list and apologize for all of them? I doubt anyone would take such an apology seriously.

Probably not but it would be nice to hear someone say something along the lines of "Hey we fucked up. Let us do something for fucking that up, and lets move foward." But your right I doubt anyone would listen.

But there is another more important reason for an appology to the Muslim community. Its to take away the cause for terrorism. Its a defusion tactic. Much like psychologist use to defuse anger and hostile behavior.

When you appologize and work with the religious leaders to defuse the look of being a Western Devil and more of a Western Ally, you defuse alot of the extremest mentality. Blair is doing this in England and having great success. His work with Muslim leaders in England is defusing a lot of terrosit activity withint England. We should be leading the way in this and applying it Internationally with other Muslim Countries. I strongly believe that this is a more productive way of dealing with terrorism. Have their religous leaders on your side and make them look anti islamic. It would show them for who they are.... murders, not martyrs. It would also create a great deal of Allys and help us out economically to be partners with certain Muslim countries rather then enemies.

sorry guy, but apologies don't squelch anything for these people. you (and the bush administration) don't really understand the middle east.

[Guest web_norah]

boring topic ...

you should be discussing how > this alert on the NYC subways was a total f*** hoax...................

[Guest slamminshaun]

boring topic ...

you should be discussing how > this alert on the NYC subways was a total f*** hoax...................

I'll discuss that too if you'd like. I'm just curious though, Norah...since you're an admitted fan of the BBC, will you be tuning into the new English-version of al-Jazeera since they now have former BBC broadcasters?

The informant responsible for passing this bullshit on to NYC should be held accountable. He passed a lie detector test, so either he believed what he was saying or he's really THAT good at lying.

[Guest web_norah]

Shaun, thats f** retarded, listen to yourself....simply because one guy decides to join Al Jazeera that puts the same political/ journalistic stance/ beliefs of the BBC as an entity. :

i don't care what you say, the BBC in all its forms, TV, radio, film and beyond is a great company, all citizen sponsored/ paid for, without any form of commercial advertising, bringing all sorts of programming and music.....we have some good PBS here in the US but nowhere close as what the BBC is.

yes, i will still listen to the BBC AND watch their world-report, which i am sure you never bother tuning into.....so you don't even know what you're talking about but rather just copy and paste what some dork re-phrased.

stop reading all that stupid garbage from Drudge and Fox, it is corroding your judgement big time.

---and don't let me rip on this subway tirade.....you have no idea what that's like, going on a train at least three times a day and thinking that because one asshole felt like telling everyone "we're going to get bombed again", "we need a high alert", let's all worry and start this media frenzy.

wtf is that? do you know what that does to your psyche and the rest of the city?

they should've been patrolling since ages ago. undercover, use intelligence not panic.

and since these extremists are so smart, do you think they're going to try and bomb Manhattan with police all over the place. please.

:-\

[Guest slamminshaun]

Shaun, thats f** retarded, listen to yourself....simply because one guy decides to join Al Jazeera that puts the same political/ journalistic stance/ beliefs of the BBC as an entity. :

Nope, never said that. But this guy was very popular over at the BBC so I thought maybe alot of his BBC "cattle" would follow him over to al-Jazeera. Alot of the liberal garb I read about comes straight from liberal blogs (yes, i read those too).

[Guest web_norah]

Shaun' date=' thats f** retarded, listen to yourself....simply because one guy decides to join Al Jazeera that puts the [b']same political/ journalistic stance/ beliefs of the BBC as an entity. :

Nope, never said that. But this guy was very popular over at the BBC so I thought maybe alot of his BBC "cattle" would follow him over to al-Jazeera. Alot of the liberal garb I read about comes straight from liberal blogs (yes, i read those too).

you answered your own question: a foolish assumption.

this guy is a very senior journalist not some young impressionable amateur.....does that help you understand the premise?

do you even know people who work for the BBC? do you have any idea what sort of entity it is?

[Guest jamu]

Please join me in a chorus of "Kum Ba Yah"....haha....

I feel you bro, I really do...but its easier said then done. Every single ethnic, racial, and gender group has been wronged by this country at some point. What do you do, create a list and apologize for all of them? I doubt anyone would take such an apology seriously.

Probably not but it would be nice to hear someone say something along the lines of "Hey we fucked up. Let us do something for fucking that up, and lets move foward." But your right I doubt anyone would listen.

But there is another more important reason for an appology to the Muslim community. Its to take away the cause for terrorism. Its a defusion tactic. Much like psychologist use to defuse anger and hostile behavior.

When you appologize and work with the religious leaders to defuse the look of being a Western Devil and more of a Western Ally, you defuse alot of the extremest mentality. Blair is doing this in England and having great success. His work with Muslim leaders in England is defusing a lot of terrosit activity withint England. We should be leading the way in this and applying it Internationally with other Muslim Countries. I strongly believe that this is a more productive way of dealing with terrorism. Have their religous leaders on your side and make them look anti islamic. It would show them for who they are.... murders, not martyrs. It would also create a great deal of Allys and help us out economically to be partners with certain Muslim countries rather then enemies.

sorry guy, but apologies don't squelch anything for these people. you (and the bush administration) don't really understand the middle east.

Accually the I know quiet a bit about Asian and the Muslim community in Asia. I love the culture and the people, who happen to be a very gentle, humble, and loving people. Unlike the news or media here in the US portray them. Terroism is extremely frown upon the vast majority of the Muslim community. But to know and understand it you need to read and understand the Koran. Basically the Koran states man is basically able to not sin. If he listens to Evil and does wrong, God is merciful and willing to forgive offences, as long as the individual is sorry and wishes to improve. If he performs his prayers regularly, observes the month of fasting, gives alms and perhaps carries out the pilgramage to Mecca, he may hope that Allah will graciously permit him to enter Paradise when he dies.

P.S. Shaun and everyone else I love a good argument so as far as I am concerned this thing can go on forever. ;D 8)