still think the conspiracy theorists are wacko?

[Guest Dj_Peace]

Read this and draw your own conclusions:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1676826,00.html

[Guest trancepriest]

Of course we are going into Iran... dude oil peaked above $93 today. Since we fucked up in Iraq... why not fuck up in another country too? I guess that's the logic they are using. Look at the economics and you can see why the decisions are being made. The american dollar is falling. 1 out of 5 people are 2 months past due on their sub prime mortgages... with four million projected to default in the next 4 years. The middle class is fucked in America. We've gotten xenophobic blaming illegal immigrants... when CEO's make 380x the wages of an average worker. The rich are bleeding the prosperity out of this nation. Prosperity for the 1 percenters and everybody else gets into the american third world. People are rightly scared they don't see how they can continue their lifestyles.

The US economy already tanked. If it wasn't for some smart dressing up of the major banks account books (reminiscent of enron)... we would see the true position of where the US economy is at.

[Guest obby]

The alarming silence some of you display towards Mahmoud Ahmadinejad indicates that you have yet to understand what is taking place is an attack on Western values and civilization. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has made a lot of statements that have been met by silence. He also talks about his strange religious beliefs, which motivates him, but they aren't talked about much in the MSM. I am posting some articles as a reminder of who and what we are dealing with. You can iether stick you head in the sand and call these staements by him lies or simply reasearch it yourself which I hope you do.

Divine mission' driving Iran's new leader

When an aircraft crashed in Teheran last month, killing 108 people, Mr Ahmadinejad promised an investigation. But he also thanked the dead, saying: "What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom which we must follow."

The most remarkable aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad's piety is his devotion to the Hidden Imam, the Messiah-like figure of Shia Islam, and the president's belief that his government must prepare the country for his return.

One of the first acts of Mr Ahmadinejad's government was to donate about £10 million to the Jamkaran mosque, a popular pilgrimage site where the pious come to drop messages to the Hidden Imam into a holy well.

All streams of Islam believe in a divine saviour, known as the Mahdi, who will appear at the End of Days. A common rumour - denied by the government but widely believed - is that Mr Ahmadinejad and his cabinet have signed a "contract" pledging themselves to work for the return of the Mahdi and sent it to Jamkaran.

Iran's dominant "Twelver" sect believes this will be Mohammed ibn Hasan, regarded as the 12th Imam, or righteous descendant of the Prophet Mohammad.

He is said to have gone into "occlusion" in the ninth century, at the age of five. His return will be preceded by cosmic chaos, war and bloodshed. After a cataclysmic confrontation with evil and darkness, the Mahdi will lead the world to an era of universal peace.

This is similar to the Christian vision of the Apocalypse. Indeed, the Hidden Imam is expected to return in the company of Jesus.

Mr Ahmadinejad appears to believe that these events are close at hand and that ordinary mortals can influence the divine timetable.

The prospect of such a man obtaining nuclear weapons is worrying. The unspoken question is this: is Mr Ahmadinejad now tempting a clash with the West because he feels safe in the belief of the imminent return of the Hidden Imam? Worse, might he be trying to provoke chaos in the hope of hastening his reappearance?...

People drop messages to the Mahdi down the holy well, because they believe the Mahdi disappeared in A.D. 941, down the well at age 5, and is waiting to return. This would seem to imply they believe he is somehow still down there... reading their messages?

And that comment about the airplane crash victims dying showing the way to martydom that the Iranian people must follow... I suppose it's not really suprising, when you consider that even the students in Iran's state schools are taught to prepare for death by martyrdom. Can you say "death cult"?

The return of the Mahdi

...Shiite Muslims believe that the Twelfth Imam disappeared down a well near Jamkaran in A.D. 941, and will emerge from this location at his Second Coming. But first, they believe, the world will go through great calamities and upheavals. This "apocalypse" will set the conditions for the Mahdi's return...

...Ahmadinejad has taken up the banner of the Hidden Imam. His hate-filled rhetoric aimed at the Jews and America is stirring fanatical Muslims the world over...

...As days pass, Ahmadinejad becomes more defiant. It is as if he is daring the nations of the world to try to stop him. How far will he go? Will he, indeed, launch a murderous attack against Israel or the United States in a misguided attempt to see his dream of the return of the Hidden Imam come to fruition?...

This article has more details about the Mahdi, Shia hsitory and beliefs, and how they relate to Ahmadinejad.

Iran leader: Islam to 'rule the world'

Urges Muslims to get ready for coming of 'messiah'

Islam must prepare to rule the world, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told a crowd of theological students in Iran's holy city of Qom, according to a report.

"We must believe in the fact that Islam is not confined to geographical borders, ethnic groups and nations. It's a universal ideology that leads the world to justice," Ahmadinejad said Jan. 5...

...Ahmadinejad is urging Iranians to prepare for the coming of the Mahdi by turning the country into a mighty and advanced Islamic society and by avoiding the corruption and excesses of the West.

"We must prepare ourselves to rule the world and the only way to do that is to put forth views on the basis of the Expectation of the Return," Ahmadinejad said. "If we work on the basis of the Expectation of the Return [of the Mahdi], all the affairs of our nation will be streamlined and the administration of the country will become easier." ...

What the relevant Mid-East despots are saying:

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad:

* Speaking at a Tehran conference on the subject of "The World without Zionism": "The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world...The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land...As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

* "The fact is that Israel can ultimately not continue its existence."

* "We ask the West to remove what they created sixty years ago and if they do not listen to our recommendations, then the Palestinian nation and other nations will eventually do this for them. Do the removal of Israel before it is too late and save yourself from the fury of regional nations."

* "The real Holocaust is what is happening in Palestine where the Zionists avail themselves of the fairy tale of Holocaust as blackmail and justification for killing children and women and making innocent people homeless."

* "Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm."

(All bold emphasis mine) I read somewhere that only 20% of Iranians literally believe in the Mahdi. Apparently Ahmadinejad is one of them. So how did such a president get elected?

Ahmadinejad was miraculously elected president, even though opinion poles at one point showed he only had the support of 1% of the electorate. Hmmm, that is quite a "miracle".

Factor in too, that all political parties and candidates in Iran must be approved by the ruling Muslim clerics. This is why Iran is not widely accepted as a legitimate democracy; all the candidates are hand picked by the Mullahs. Ahmadinejad is their puppet.

So here we have an Iranian President, who aspires to posses nuclear weapons, who believes in the destruction of Israel, Global theocratic Islamic rule, and that a 5 year old child who vanished down a well near Jamkaran, Iran, in A.D. 941 is going to return in the End of Days, amid global chaos, to lead the world to victory in a global Jihad, and that his people need to prepare to die as martyrs to this cause, because that is the reason for their existance.

[Oni1414777741]

I still can't understand that people truly believe that this "attack on Western values and civilization" is coming from outside forces. Politicians and large corporations are doing more damage to our country than any terrorist can and has. Its become the most elaborate blame game and the american public is buying this shit.