wallflour Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 Saw a little thing in the news ticker on CNN today, saying that a Dutch study found that it can cause permanent memory loss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heretic909 Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 fuck the dutch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 What did you say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heretic909 Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 Originally posted by roninmess What did you say? heh hehAre you Dutch? If you are, then what I meant to say was 'fuck those Dutch scientists that came up with this study, but Dutch people in general are cool'. Better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 Originally posted by heretic909 heh hehAre you Dutch? If you are, then what I meant to say was 'fuck those Dutch scientists that came up with this study, but Dutch people in general are cool'. Better? LOL, nah I don't remember what wallflour said... Too many pills! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallflour Posted October 15 Author Report Share Posted October 15 http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011014/sc/health_ecstasy_dc_1.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heretic909 Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 Originally posted by roninmess LOL, nah I don't remember what wallflour said... Too many pills! lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoke Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 The study noted that ecstasy users were more likely to smoke marijuana than the controls, which might have influenced the memory test results. Gee... d'ya think? IMO, this is one of the largest factors affecting the conclusiveness of ecstasy studies. Not to say that ecstasy doesn't affect memory (I just don't know), but to my knowledge, cannabis has not been ruled out as a factor in any studies so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone00690 Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 oh well I guess I will have to stick to k then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nSyNcBaBy Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 Originally posted by wallflour Saw a little thing in the news ticker on CNN today, saying that a Dutch study found that it can cause permanent memory loss anddddddd ur just finding this out now?? hehe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialectics Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 do you know the name of the study? so that i can find the journal article. i have read many studies preaching of the dangers of ecstasy and the problem is that they are inconclusive for one of three reasons:1) the study was funded by NIDA, national institute of drug awareness. they are more of a propoganda machine then a research institute so i would not believe a word they say. they are not objective and CLEARLY have an agenda, and you can outright dismiss any scientific claim which they make.2) the studies were done on rats, monkeys or mice, which have a different phisiology of the brain then humans do, especially with regard for cognition, memory and neurotransmitter content like seratonin. additionally, in most studies rats were given doses of about 10 pills, twice a day for two weeks. that would be enough to kill anything... it does not say anything about casual or recreational use. just think about what happened with Sweet&Low - they said it caused cancer in rats in california, but years later it was shown that if you pump a rat with basically ANY substance in that quantity they're pretty much fucked.3) studies on human users have been extremely limited. there are way too many things to take into account: a- the users might be lying about their ecstasy usage during the trial period b- the substances they have taken may not have been pure mdma (which is more then likely) and the additives may have caused the ill effects. c- the objectivity of the test: in one, they tried to compare the responses on a memory and factual exam between mdma users (the day after they rolled) and non-users. the non-users turned out to be graduate students. this basically says that a cracked out club kid is not as good a test taker as a graduate student. We are all well aware of the hell that comes with the few days after - it is the long term i am interested in. I am interested in its affect on seratonin transmitters and receptors, dopamine (and increased likelihood for parkinson's disease) and other nerotoxicity effects. This is not to say that MDMA usage is safe. There is an inherent risk involved in any type of drug use. I belive that it is every American's right to have ALL of the information available so that they can make an informed, intelligent and rational descision about what they can and can not put into their bodies. And if you do choose to roll, please be in a safe environment, with plenty of water available.... and a CHILL ROOM DAMMIT! (nothing bothers me more then a chill room without any room to chill.... besides the propoganda machine of the neo-aristocracy of course)rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassa Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 Drug Ecstasy Damages Memory Brain Cells-Dutch Study Reuters Oct 14 2001 4:25PM CHICAGO (Reuters) - The popular club drug "ecstasy" causes temporary injury to brain cells, but the result is long-term damage to memory, Dutch researchers said Sunday. Memory tests and brain scans performed on 22 subjects who had recently used ecstasy revealed they suffered memory deficiencies and changes in certain brain cells. The scans showed the damage was most pronounced on cortical neurons linked to memory function. In ecstasy users, those brain cells had a decreased density of receptors for the neurotransmitter serotonin, which transports messages between cells and is known to affect mood. Previous research has suggested that ecstasy causes a flood of serotonin in the brain, followed by a drop-off when the drug wears off. Brain scans performed on 16 former ecstasy users who had abstained from the drug for at least a year did not show lasting damage to the serotonin receptors in cortical neurons. But ex-users did not perform as well on memory tests as 13 control subjects who had never used the drug. While the neurons of ex-users seemed to recover, the consequences on memory from the earlier ecstasy use may be irreversible, study author Liesbeth Reneman of the Academic Medical Center in Amsterdam said. The longer that ecstasy was used and the higher the dosages, the worse the memory impairment, the study found. "We identified that MDMA (ecstasy) use is associated not only with short-term consequences (on memory) but with long-term consequences as well," Reneman wrote in the October issue of the medical journal Archives of General Psychiatry. Study participants, who ranged in age from 18 to 45, agreed not to use psychoactive drugs for three weeks prior to the testing. The study noted that ecstasy users were more likely to smoke marijuana than the controls, which might have influenced the memory test results. Previous research has shown ecstasy, sometimes known as MDMA or by its chemical name 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine, can cause dramatic changes in heart rate and blood pressure. It can also lead to dehydration and has been shown to cause lasting changes in the brain's chemical systems that control mood and memory. Animals studies have shown damage to brain cells connected to memory function. RTR/SCIENCE-HEALTH-ECSTASY-DC/ Copyright © 2001 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing or similiar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL Anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassa Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 man...that would fucking suck..i just rolled last night...still feeling it...lol.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfc Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 I read a study saying that MDMA is good for you. Makes you happy and smarter. I forget where I read it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialectics Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 Originally posted by rfc I read a study saying that MDMA is good for you. Makes you happy and smarter. I forget where I read it though. I wrote that one. It was published in a small journal called "Napkin". After publishing Napkin I then gave a series of lectures to a wide audience on the mental and physical benefits to MDMA. My talks were well received, as most of the participants (myself included) were already taking MDMA supplements for homeopathic purposes. Typical comments ranged from "that was the beeeeest lecture i've eeeeevr heard" to "oooh your pants are so shiny can i touch them?".Future work includes "The effects of MDMA on the perception of pitch and tambre in electronic dance music" and "SEX AND E: Too much of a good thing?". Dr. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennEfer Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 Originally posted by dialectics I wrote that one. It was published in a small journal called "Napkin". After publishing Napkin I then gave a series of lectures to a wide audience on the mental and physical benefits to MDMA. My talks were well received, as most of the participants (myself included) were already taking MDMA supplements for homeopathic purposes. Typical comments ranged from "that was the beeeeest lecture i've eeeeevr heard" to "oooh your pants are so shiny can i touch them?".Future work includes "The effects of MDMA on the perception of pitch and tambre in electronic dance music" and "SEX AND E: Too much of a good thing?". Dr. Rob LMAO!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicinfusion Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 will never do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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