kramadas Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 Question: How are you guys soooo sure of yourselves when you say its a wave of bullshit? The logic you're applying to Sassa applies to you guys too. Both sides have approached this the wrong way. The Taliban is a super oppressive regime that needs to be "corrected". But do NOT fool yourselves...the price of American freedom (all the luxuries we enjoy) is the blood of citizens of other countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassa Posted October 24 Author Report Share Posted October 24 Tribal and Laraver, thank you for your mature posts. If anyone would like to continue this discussion, please PM me. To everyone else who have not been able to open their minds to see other people's views and learn that there are other opinions other than their own, I pity you all.Lady Bijan, tail between my legs? I think not.I just cannot argue with mindless idiots no longer. You need to chill with your bullshit comments about me. While I may not be an expert in international relations..yet...I can (but I won't) provide you with a resume of things I have done..and one last thing...don't believe everything the media says...it's all biased and targeted toward keeping the masses in check..whether it is the government or big corporate businesses in the US (who stand to gain a lot from this war),I do not know.Anyways,I hope we can all calm down.I don't wish to fight with anyone. All I wanted to do in the beginning was start this conversation and possibly come to terms with what is going on in a mature manner. Guess that wasn't possible. Good luck to everyone in understanding this matter, a very touchy one for all of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassa Posted October 24 Author Report Share Posted October 24 Originally posted by ladybijan22 Just because you take a diplomacy class doesn't give you the right to impose what you learned in a lecture hall on others and expect them to take your views as theirs. We all feel for the people in Afghanistan in one way or another - it is a disgrace what they are enduring. HOWEVER, all I need to do is look out my window and be reminded why we are in the middle of this. You are in FUCKING CALIFORNIA!! When you live with National Guardsmen, and cops from all over the country patrolling your nieghborhood, and jet fighters in your skyies, THEN you might have a CLUE as to WHY we are at war. Until then - shut the fuck up!! Let me put it to you plainly - WE WERE ATTACKED IN OUR OWN COUNTRY BY PEOPLPE WHO HATE WHAT WE STAND FOR. The 6,000 people who have lost their lives because some maniacs across world don't like us DID NOTHING TO DESERVE THE DEATH RECEIVED AT THE HANDS OF TERRORISTS. These people were at their desks just going about their every day lives. The only thing they were guilty of was being at the wrong place at the wrong time. WE WERE NOT AT WAR, WE THOUGHT WE WERE IN PEACE TIME!! But in the eyes of Osama and his whack job followers, they were at war with us. Well guess what - NOW THEY ARE GONNA KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE AT WAR WITH THE USA!! I am not saying that our foreign policies have been the best policies to adopts - HOWEVER, that doesn't give ANYONE the RIGHT to ATTACK US because they don't agree with us. We don't agree with the Taliban but we didn't attack them when they came into power. The are a puritanical regime who wants to send the world back to the 17th century - and when Mohammed walked the earth. You like going to college and being educated - well the women in afghanistan don't have that luxury anymore - they can't even leave the house without a male member escorting them let alone be educated. You like the clothes you wear, the car you drive, the food you eat, the stores you shop in, the TV you watch, the radio you listen to, and so on. Well it is ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WERE ATTACKED. Our way of life and our freedoms were attacked, and I for one don't want to live like the people in afghanistan. So I say to the men and women fighting for us - BOMB THE HELL OUT OF THEM UNTIL THEY GIVE UP!!! Keep bombing them until the taliban relinquish power, hand over bin laden and all his followers, and admit to all they have done. If it takes years - I don't care because WE DID NBOT DESERVE THIS. There are more than 12,000 children in NY who have lost a parent in this tragedy - are you gonna provide for them because it was the bread winner in all those families that is now DEAD at the hands of these maniacs.Just one more thing - you are entitled the think what you want, but don't impose your views on us - we are all entitled to our own opinion. Unfortunately for you - yours is the minority and you will receive grief for voicing. This country has seen a resurgence in patriotism, and you my friend are NOT BEING VERY PATRIOTIC. If you don't like our policies, what we stand for, and how this country conducts itself, there are other places in this world for you to live, and I suggest you pack you shit AND GET THE FUCK OUT!! We don't need people like you in this country now!! I didn't want to respond to this, but I can't resist. Lady, you have issues. Don't tell me what to fucking do. I am an American citizen and in no way did I ever say I was anti-American. I cannot continue to stress this..I am anti-Bush. I am anti his administration. I am anti the policies that are taking effect. Don't tell me to shut the fuck up. I will continue to voice my opinions regardless to whether you agree to them or not. And as for you saying you don't need people like me in this country...just who are YOU to establish who is needed in this country and who isn't. Pray tell please explain...and please do so without personal attacks. Thank you. And grow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perfecto25 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 hi kidz, finally a breather from all the mindless talk of drug daze and dj drama. whats up frenchbread! first, i think that most of the people that responded did so out of their pure patriotism and love for this great nation. second, guys, hold back on the personal attacks, no matter how distorted or ludicrous sassa's statements seem, its her opinion, and should be left at that. now, sassa, i know how you feel, that every one is against you or your opinion. dont take any personal attacks to heart. i have to say that i 100% agree to what every one else is saying. i came to this country in '91 and i saw what the american dream is all about. people who criticize and complain about us, do not know what america stands for. we feel like we are being blamed for trying to live a better life. for raising kids without bullets flying over their heads. that is our crime, to live a better life. please read this article written by a prominent arab scholar. and people, please, grow up, i know how you feel believe me, but hold the insults, they are pointless. -ps hope 2 see u kids at Tenaglia on haloween!Islam Can't EscapeBlame for Sept. 11 By Amir Taheri. Mr. Taheri, an Iranian author and journalist, is editor of the Paris-based Politique Internationale."This has nothing to do with Islam," British Prime Minister Tony Blair recently told a delegation of Muslims at a meeting at 10 Downing Street, referring to the Sept. 11 attacks against the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.Mr. Blair was echoing a view, popular both in Europe and the U.S., that it is impolite, not to say impolitic, to subject Islam to any criticism. Yet to claim that the attacks had nothing to do with Islam amounts to a whitewash. It is not only disingenuous but also a disservice to Muslims, who need to cast a critical glance at the way their faith is taught, lived and practiced.Even worse, the refusal to subject Islam to rational analysis is a recipe for further fanaticism. Unless we believe those who claim that the Sept. 11 was organized by Israel, we have to assume that Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda were responsible. And since there is no mechanism for excommunication in Islam, bin Laden and his gang have every right to describe themselves as Muslims.***Al Qaeda did not materialize out of thin air. Nor have they been operating in a vacuum. Bin Laden belongs to a prominent Yemeni-Saudi family that makes much of its Islamic credentials. He began his militant career in 1984 as a fund-raiser for Afghans fighting the communist regime in Kabul in the name of Islam. He had offices in a dozen Muslim countries, none of which regarded his activities as un-Islamic.In 1993 bin Laden was divested of his Saudi passport but was warmly welcomed in Sudan where a fundamentalist regime is in power. Later, bin Laden was the star of an international conference of Muslim fundamentalists organized in Khartoum by the then-strongman Hassan al-Turabi. He was elected a member of the Supreme Council, whose task is to promote a radical brand of Islam throughout the world. That gave him the right to call himself a "sheik" and issue religious fatwas, or edicts. Again, since there is no clerical hierarchy in Islam, there was no reason why bin Laden could not claim such authority.Once bin Laden was forced to leave Sudan (under U.S. pressure), he was welcomed in his ancestral homeland of Yemen, another Muslim country. From there he went to Pakistan, the world's second most populous Muslim nation, where he was welcomed not only by the army but also by virtually all of Pakistan's Islamic parties, which continue to support him.From Pakistan, bin Laden shifted to Afghanistan, where the Taliban had established what they claimed to be "the only truly Islamic government." The Taliban continue to shelter bin Laden to this day, even in the face of U.S. attacks. To say that bin Laden has nothing to do with Islam and Muslims, therefore, requires a big leap of imagination.When pressed hard, some Muslim leaders admit that bin Laden is "part of Islam," but try to minimize his place. Dalil Boubakeur, a French Muslim leader, says that bin Laden does not represent more than 1% of Muslims. Some comfort. That 1% means almost 13 million people.There is more. All but one of the world's remaining military regimes are in Muslim countries. With the exception of Turkey and Bangladesh, there are no real elections in any Muslim country. Of the current 30 active conflicts in the world no fewer than 28 concern Muslim governments and/or communities. Two-thirds of the world's political prisoners are held in Muslim countries, which also carry out 80% of all executions each year.Anyone familiar with textbooks in most Muslim countries would know the twisted view of the world they propagate and the hatred they promote. Anyone who follows the media in the Muslim world would know that the verbal version of the Sept. 11 attacks is an almost daily fare. Go to the Internet and check the editorials of virtually any Muslim paper on Sept. 10 and see what they were saying about the West in general and the U.S. in particular. Anyone listening to a sermon in virtually any mosque, including many in the West, would be shocked by the vehemence of the anti-Western, especially anti-American, sentiments expressed.It is both dishonest and dangerous for Muslims to remain in a state of denial. And yet a state of denial is what we have. When Iran's Khomeinists burned 600 people alive in a cinema, the whitewashers said that it had nothing to do with Islam. When the same gang took the American diplomats hostage in Tehran, again the whitewash party insisted that had nothing to do with Islam. And when the suicide bombings bloodied Beirut we were told that Islam had nothing to do with them.***The Muslim world today is full of bigotry, fanaticism, hypocrisy and plain ignorance -- all of which create a breeding ground for criminals like bin Laden. The principal victims of these criminals are Muslims, who are prevented from developing a modern political culture without which they cannot reform their societies and rebuild their economies.What I am saying is not meant as critique of Islam as a belief system; that's an issue for theologians, and people should be free to believe whatever they like. What is needed is a critique of Islam as an existential reality. The Sept. 11 tragedies should trigger a rethink of the way Muslims live Islam. We should start with condemning those attacks without "ifs" and "buts." Sadly, the way we Muslims live Islam today is a far cry from the way our ancestors lived it in the golden age when Islam was a builder of civilization, not a force for repression, terror and destruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 Once again....and I will state emphatically and in defense of my statements to Sassa...Sassa---dry up and blow away you fucking disgrace.....It is one thing to enter into debate and discussions where varying points of view are presented....again, as I stated, this is healthy and necessary....but as much as Sassa claims that "mature" discussion was her/him/it's orginal intent- it was far from it. Sassa's statements and views go way beyond offering a "different" look at things...Sassa's statements are misguided, irresponsible, immature in nature, and a dispicable insult to those families who have lost loved ones.....and a personsal attack on them and the citizens of this countryTo those who believe personal insults are innappropriate here---too bad. I believe that if there was ever a time to use them, it is now for Sassa. Again, Sassa's statements and views are personal attacks--and for those who do not see that you are blind.Sassa's blame America, monday morning quarterback, myriad of bullshit should be shoved her up ass along with her diplomacy class and her elitist attitude.It you have such a problem with the US- leave and join a foreign organization that cleans up all the wrongdoings of the US that you claim is done. You know- all the bad things you say the US does that we can't see because we are all mindless robots controlled by CNN. But you were somehow blessed with a special gift to see beyond the media brainwashing that you are honing in a diplomacy class in the safe confines of an American University.You are a fucking good for nothing hypocrite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpoppanils Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 sure lets go ahead and wish sassa death because she excercised her right to freedom of speech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdinke01 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 Originally posted by igloo Once again....and I will state emphatically and in defense of my statements to Sassa...Sassa---dry up and blow away you fucking disgrace.....It is one thing to enter into debate and discussions where varying points of view are presented....again, as I stated, this is healthy and necessary....but as much as Sassa claims that "mature" discussion was her/him/it's orginal intent- it was far from it. Sassa's statements and views go way beyond offering a "different" look at things...Sassa's statements are misguided, irresponsible, immature in nature, and a dispicable insult to those families who have lost loved ones.....and a personsal attack on them and the citizens of this countryTo those who believe personal insults are innappropriate here---too bad. I believe that if there was ever a time to use them, it is now for Sassa. Again, Sassa's statements and views are personal attacks--and for those who do not see that you are blind.Sassa's blame America, monday morning quarterback, myriad of bullshit should be shoved her up ass along with her diplomacy class and her elitist attitude.It you have such a problem with the US- leave and join a foreign organization that cleans up all the wrongdoings of the US that you claim is done. You know- all the bad things you say the US does that we can't see because we are all mindless robots controlled by CNN. But you were somehow blessed with a special gift to see beyond the media brainwashing that you are honing in a diplomacy class in the safe confines of an American University.You are a fucking good for nothing hypocrite. Hey guy...good shit! And I love how you referred to the Clinton News Network...uh I mean the Terrorist News Network...Sorry I'll just say CNN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 Originally posted by bigpoppanils sure lets go ahead and wish sassa death because she excercised her right to freedom of speech You have it wrong son. With any freedom also comes responsibility as well, something Sassa needs to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go411 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 SASSA ... I'M WITH YOU KID .. "FUCK THA BULLSHIT ALREADY"You seemed to know what's up with the lies being told to us poor civilians..... I wish we could be a NEUTRAL country and just mind our own business!!! aaaawwww then again this is such a young country.... it's inevitable not to make mistakes. I hope we learn from them and use it to make us a better country... specially when it comes to foreign policies... :hey: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdinke01 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 Originally posted by go411 SASSA ... I'M WITH YOU KID .. "FUCK THA BULLSHIT ALREADY"You seemed to know what's up with the lies being told to us poor civilians..... I wish we could be a NEUTRAL country and just mind our own business!!! aaaawwww then again this is such a young country.... it's inevitable not to make mistakes. I hope we learn from them and use it to make us a better country... specially when it comes to foreign policies... :hey: So I take it that you wouldn't mind paying $10/gallon for gas, and watch Saddam take over the Middle East, and watch Pakistan and India blow themselves into oblivion, not to mention the brutal civil and inhuman injustices that would pop up everywhere...Sweethart, we are they only element that provides rational, justful, and compassionate equilibrium in this fucked up world...If we sat back and did nothing, which we did until WWII when we were attacked by the Japs, this world would be absolute chaos...every insane leader with an army and an evil mentality would seek out his own version of greatness...You would be bowing five times a day and speaking German. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go411 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 bdinke>>>> I don't drive so I really don't care about the gas too much. I do worry about what goes on in the world but, my concerns are hunger, diseases and education. Not who is in power here and let's go change this country and take that from them because it would benifit us ..... come on know!!! Who the fuck told bush to become allies w/ Israel... don't you think it was fucked up what they did to the palestinian's????? imagine someone coming over your house and telling you that you have to go because they're gonna live there now.... specially if they weren't even born there..... this is a GREAT country but, things gottta change buddy or this won't be the last time innocent people die... and I don't wanna die for some stupid greedy government that just wants power over the world and doesn't respect other people's land. :eek: :eek: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 Originally posted by go411 bdinke>>>> I don't drive so I really don't care about the gas too much. I do worry about what goes on in the world but, my concerns are hunger, diseases and education. Not who is in power here and let's go change this country and take that from them because it would benifit us ..... come on know!!! Who the fuck told bush to become allies w/ Israel... don't you think it was fucked up what they did to the palestinian's????? imagine someone coming over your house and telling you that you have to go because they're gonna live there now.... specially if they weren't even born there..... this is a GREAT country but, things gottta change buddy or this won't be the last time innocent people die... and I don't wanna die for some stupid greedy government that just wants power over the world and doesn't respect other people's land. :eek: :eek: Son, I think you should stick to posting about clubland related topics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad_Z Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 SOme of what goa is saying does actually make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go411 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 Igloo I do stick to that on this board but, it FUCKING MAKES ME MAD WHEN PEOPLE SUPPORT FUCKED UP PEOPLE .... JUST BECAUSE THEY HEAR SHIT ON THE NEWS .... GO TO THE FUCKING LIBRARY AND READ SOME WORLD HISTORY FOR A CHANGE.......... IT WOULD DO YOU SOME GOOD OR GO CROSS COUNTRY YOU'LL ENCOUNTER AMAZING PEOPLE WHO DON'T EVEN HAVE BANKS ACCOUNT IN THIS COUNTRY ( NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE POOR) THEY JUST DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO W/ THE US GOVERNMENT.. I SUGGEST YOU GET OUT MORE OFTEN AND SEE ANOTHER SIDE OF THE US YOUTH CULTURE ... THE ONES THAT WANNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND LIVE IN A PEACEFUL WORLD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pookie23 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 Originally posted by go411 Igloo I do stick to that on this board but, it FUCKING MAKES ME MAD WHEN PEOPLE SUPPORT FUCKED UP PEOPLE .... JUST BECAUSE THEY HEAR SHIT ON THE NEWS .... GO TO THE FUCKING LIBRARY AND READ SOME WORLD HISTORY FOR A CHANGE.......... IT WOULD DO YOU SOME GOOD OR GO CROSS COUNTRY YOU'LL ENCOUNTER AMAZING PEOPLE WHO DON'T EVEN HAVE BANKS ACCOUNT IN THIS COUNTRY ( NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE POOR) THEY JUST DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO W/ THE US GOVERNMENT.. I SUGGEST YOU GET OUT MORE OFTEN AND SEE ANOTHER SIDE OF THE US YOUTH CULTURE ... THE ONES THAT WANNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND LIVE IN A PEACEFUL WORLD. Books huh? Like they aren't as biased and have as propaganda as the media....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go411 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 they do but, they don't give you BULLSHIT like CNN. They tell like it is ................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdinke01 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 Originally posted by igloo Son, I think you should stick to posting about clubland related topics... Good one bro...! Talk about living in wonderland... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 Originally posted by go411 Igloo I do stick to that on this board but, it FUCKING MAKES ME MAD WHEN PEOPLE SUPPORT FUCKED UP PEOPLE .... JUST BECAUSE THEY HEAR SHIT ON THE NEWS .... GO TO THE FUCKING LIBRARY AND READ SOME WORLD HISTORY FOR A CHANGE.......... IT WOULD DO YOU SOME GOOD OR GO CROSS COUNTRY YOU'LL ENCOUNTER AMAZING PEOPLE WHO DON'T EVEN HAVE BANKS ACCOUNT IN THIS COUNTRY ( NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE POOR) THEY JUST DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO W/ THE US GOVERNMENT.. I SUGGEST YOU GET OUT MORE OFTEN AND SEE ANOTHER SIDE OF THE US YOUTH CULTURE ... THE ONES THAT WANNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND LIVE IN A PEACEFUL WORLD. Son, I suggest you stick to watching the cartoon channel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go411 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 SON????? BITCH... I'M A FEMALE!! YEAH IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTA IF I COULD JUST WATCH CARTOON'S...... ALL DAY LIKE YOU AND NOT WORRY ABOUT GETTING SCREWED BY OUR GOVERNMENT WOULDN'T THAT BE NICE???......... KID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pookie23 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 Originally posted by go411 SON????? BITCH... I'M A FEMALE!! YEAH IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTA IF I COULD JUST WATCH CARTOON'S...... ALL DAY LIKE YOU AND NOT WORRY ABOUT GETTING SCREWED BY OUR GOVERNMENT WOULDN'T THAT BE NICE???......... KID Okay people - truce time! Let's all play nice - and play the nipple game!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassa Posted October 25 Author Report Share Posted October 25 How do you play the nipple game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pookie23 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 Originally posted by sassa How do you play the nipple game? Uh oh - I shouldn't have mentioned it......but I promise to tell ya in a little while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 Originally posted by go411 SON????? BITCH... I'M A FEMALE!! YEAH IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTA IF I COULD JUST WATCH CARTOON'S...... ALL DAY LIKE YOU AND NOT WORRY ABOUT GETTING SCREWED BY OUR GOVERNMENT WOULDN'T THAT BE NICE???......... KID Sorry for using "son"Bitch....I took your advice and when to the library and did some history research and subsequent anaylsis.And you are right! Thank God for you because I have forever changed for the better. Never again will I watch CNN.I have learned that the sole purpose of the US government is to screw her citizens. The Constitution actually contains cryptic messages and instructions planted by our forefathers that specifically detail how to build a government that fucks its people.Time magazine recently ran an article indicating that there is significant proof of this- and point to the closing of Twilo. Brutal oppression!Thanks to you- my eyes are open now. I can't believe the evil US empire gets away with this. Shame on me- I was so busy naively enjoying the freedoms of this country that I didn't realize it was all a covert plan by our Govt to screw us. I feel violated.Thanks g0411 for pointing out the errors of my ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go411 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 hahahahaha.............. this is getting u r funny .... I don't want drag this post any further. I heard enough and gave you guys my point of view. Lets drop it and move on ............now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go411 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 too a better topic.LATERZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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