thehacker Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 And We Ask WHY?The Truth on National TV Billy Graham's daughter was beinginterviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her"How could God let something like this happen?" And AnneGraham gave an extremely profound and insightful response.She said, "I believe that God is deeply saddened by this,just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to getout of our schools, to get out of our government and to getout of our lives. And being the gentleman that He is, Ibelieve that He has calmly backed out. How can we expectGod to give us His blessing and His protection if we demandthat He leave us alone?"Let's see, I think it started when Madeline Murray O'Hare(she was murdered, her body was found recently)complained she didn't want any prayer in our schools, andwe said OK.Then, someone said you better not read the Bible inschool... the Bible that says thou shalt not kill, thou shaltnot steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said,OK.Then, Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank ourchildren when they misbehave because their littlepersonalities would be warped and we might damage theirself-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide) And wesaid, an expert should know what he's talking about so wesaid OK.Then, someone said teachers and principals better notdiscipline our children when they misbehave. And the schooladministrators said no faculty member in this school bettertouch a student when they misbehave because we don'twant any bad publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued(There's big difference between disciplining and touching,beating, smacking,humiliating, kicking, etc.) And we said,OK.Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions ifthey want, and they won't even have to tell their parents.And we said, OK.Then some wise school board member said, since boys willbe boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's give oursons all the condoms they want, so they can have all thefun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents theygot them at school. And we said, OK.Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matterwhat we do in private as long as we do our jobs. Andagreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter to me whatanyone, including the President, does in private as long as Ihave a job and the economy is good.And then someone said let's print magazines with picturesof nude women and call it wholesome, down-to-earthappreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we said,OK.And then the entertainment industry said, let's make TVshows and movies that promote profanity, violence, andillicit sex. And let's record music that encourages rape,drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes.And we said it's just entertainment, it has no adverse effect,and nobodytakes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead.Now we're asking ourselves why some people have noconscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and whyit doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates,and themselves.Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we canfigure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAPWHAT WE SOW.""Dear God, Why didn't you save the little girl killed in herclassroom?" Sincerely, Concerned Student... AND THE REPLY"Dear Concerned Student, I am not allowed in schools".Sincerely, God.Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and thenwonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believewhat the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.Funny how everyone wants to go to heaven provided they donot have to believe, think, say, or do anything the Biblesays.Funny how someone can say "I believe in God" but stillfollow Satan who, by the way, also "believes" in God. Funnyhow we are quick to judge but not to be judged. Funny howyou can send a thousand 'jokes' through e-mail and theyspread like wildfire, but when you start sending messagesregarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing.Funny how the lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene pass freelythrough cyberspace, but the public discussion of God issuppressed in the school and workplace.Funny how someone can be so fired up for Christ on Sunday,but be an invisible Christian the rest of the week.Are you laughing?Funny how when you go to forward this message, you willnot send it to many on your address list because you're notsure what they believe, or what they will think of you forsending it to them. Funny how I can be moreworried about what other people think of me than what Godthinks of me.Are you thinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gothzane Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 Satan L33T roxor God Sux Woot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjcbebe Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 that is pretty sick.....hit the nail right on the head... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkern Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 Originally posted by thehacker Are you thinking? Better question: Was Ms. Graham thinking?I don't find her statement profound or insightful. In fact, I find it simplistic, limited and skewed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehacker Posted November 21 Author Report Share Posted November 21 Originally posted by pkern Better question: Was Ms. Graham thinking?I don't find her statement profound or insightful. In fact, I find it simplistic, limited and skewed. well alrightey then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpoppanils Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 doesnt the bible contradict itself?isnt the bible anti-woman?isnt the bible anti-homosexual?hasn't the "teachings" of christianity inspired massive intercontinental wars?and i wonder if this woman has an interest-bearing bank account and or stock, because thats a sin too......or if she pays taxes....thats a sin too (sustaining the military....my former speech teacher is a very religious protestant who studied the bible in depth)i'm not saying that i dont beleive in God, i actually do beleive he/she/it existsbut the everloving and everforgiving bullshit....i dont think so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xpander Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 Originally posted by pkern Better question: Was Ms. Graham thinking?I don't find her statement profound or insightful. In fact, I find it simplistic, limited and skewed. Jerry Falwell liteOr so it seemed to me.Next time, ask her why nothing like this has happened in Europe and see what wisdom comes out of her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehacker Posted November 21 Author Report Share Posted November 21 Originally posted by bigpoppanils doesnt the bible contradict itself?isnt the bible anti-woman?isnt the bible anti-homosexual?hasn't the "teachings" of christianity inspired massive intercontinental wars?yes it does.only to the interpretationists.only to the interpretationists.and yes but only the blind-faith fanaticswho chose to ignore their doubt asthe core of their faith, and insteadforce as many people as possibleto see things the way they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehacker Posted November 21 Author Report Share Posted November 21 Originally posted by xpander Next time, ask her why nothing like this has happened in Europe and see what wisdom comes out. happens in serbia every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xpander Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 Originally posted by thehacker happens in serbia every day. but it's serbia.what about The Czech republic or Slovakia?50% proclaimed to be non-religious...and the rest of Europe?More hedonistic than the US ever dreamed....In fact, the US is statistically one of THE most religious countries in the world.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glamourama Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 IMO christianity is a highly simplistic religion and its followers will deem anything they don't understand or don't care to understand as EVIL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpoppanils Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 thats not just christianity......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perfecto25 Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 religion is the cause of all stability and all mayhem. think about it. the modern society is based on law, which were derived from the bible. this is one of the few positive sides of religion, besides the self inspiration and occasional benevolence. the ugly side is what we saw on sept 11, religious fanatisicim, not only muslim, but chritisian (crusades and inquistion), jewish(orthodox settlers), and hindu(tamil), the only religion that seems to be free of this cancer is buddhism, but im not an expert in that field. ms. graham seems to think that people are shutting out god from schools and homes. the fact is, people are tired of this godly beauracracy and are shutting out the church instead of the god. if a man believes in a divine force, why is there a need for Heaven Inc. with CEO Pope? seems rather ludicrous. thank the god that we dont have religion in our politics, the main factor of our profound stability. amen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkern Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 I have no problem with Christianity - or with Christ, for that matter. Actually, I'm a fan. In and of itself, Christianity (Christ) is brilliant, and offers tremendous wisdom - wisdom that IMO is lost on Ms. Graham. I think Ms. Graham represents an extreme point of view (as does the entire post) that ultimately misinterprets the bible, and its message. The church does not have a monopoly on morality, and school prayer is not the only way to teach our kids not to kill each other. Nor do I think God has deserted us because we've decided it's not a great idea to hit our kids (Dr. Spock), or to let our school teachers hit our kids, or concluded that masturbation might not be that bad, or that safe sex is smart, or that as a woman, I have a right to govern my own body, or or or...I'm not sure Jesus would have a problem with these things. I think he might have a problem, however, with Ms. Graham's implication that he's somehow deserted us because "we asked him to" (which we haven't). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehacker Posted November 21 Author Report Share Posted November 21 Originally posted by pkern I'm not sure Jesus would have a problem with these things. I think he might have a problem, however, with Ms. Graham's implication that he's somehow deserted us because "we asked him to" (which we haven't). see, now you've dropped the science.i didn't post this cause i necessarilyagreed with it in its entirely; i agreed withit as i do many things -- with a grain of salt.just thought it provided an interesting perspective...(to me, anyways - you're all quite free to feel how you want.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehacker Posted November 21 Author Report Share Posted November 21 Originally posted by perfecto25 ms. graham seems to think that people are shutting out god from schools and homes. the fact is, people are tired of this godly beauracracy and are shutting out the church instead of the god.prayer in schools is flat-out not all allowed in schools.that has nothing to do with religion or the church.and i see shutting out the beauracracy and routineof the church as a GOOD THING... but then don'tdare tell me when and where i can pray. prayeris a very personal thing - or at least, it should be.i cling tightly to the lutheran ideathat "church is wherever one personis holding a conversation with god."and it irks me that our government hasdecided when and where i may do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugwump Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 Do not worry thy headso' club planeters..for mugwumpus is here to shed light and joy...and lo so I sayeth on to youeththat all your answers shall be given..if you clicketh on this URL threadeth:http://www.fartingevangelist.com/if that dosent work try:http://www.funspoofs.com/View_movie_farting.htmlPRAISE BE TO MUGZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpoppanils Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 Originally posted by mugwump Do not worry thy headso' club planeters..for mugwumpus is here to shed light and joy...and lo so I sayeth on to youeththat all your answers shall be given..if you clicketh on this URL threadeth:http://www.fartingevangelist.com/if that dosent work try:http://www.funspoofs.com/View_movie_farting.htmlPRAISE BE TO MUGZ ALL HAIL MUGZ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmb1975 Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 Originally posted by pkern Better question: Was Ms. Graham thinking?I don't find her statement profound or insightful. In fact, I find it simplistic, limited and skewed. I absolutely agree. Perhaps the God that Ms. Graham believes in is a vengeful, spiteful God. But the God I belive in is not. Seems to me that she agrees with Jerry Fallwells statements that it is the faults of the homosexuals and abortionists that these terrible acts happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tribal Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 mugz, where do you get this stuff from? hahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stronut Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 My thoughts to this.....First of all this IS funny. I look at it this way. We fabricated math to do calculations inorder to help us do things in life. We prove math with math. Same is with religions. They try to prove religion with religion. Religion to me is like a college subject/major. People learn it and enforce it. Religion is more than math in a sense that people can always answer to an impossible question by saying "It's HIS will." I don't believe in religions. But I am living in an environment that is filled with many many different religions. I resect the religions. I just don't like it when people try to convert me into their religion.I don't know if this Grahm person is the same that I saw once on TV. But when I did watch it, I was kinda laughing at their comments. I can't describe how provincial they were/are on TV. Its so weird to see that on TV. I don't understand how people follow the Book(s) to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loch Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 Originally posted by tribal mugz, where do you get this stuff from? hahahaha for mugwump sheds light upon where only darkness once falls, all things are begotten FROM him, as they just ARE, and to question where or how is to blaspheme him, and as such, ye need just have faith, for faith in him is neither blindness nor darkness, but vision and enlightenment.the word of loch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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