Well guys the two sides will never fully agree. The raver side is built upon freedom of expression and the energy of youth.. You have a bunch of kids (most of them are under 21) dancing their cares away. Because of there youth and inexperience they are more likely to exceed there limits when it comes to drugs. Its not all about the nice clothes and picking up the chicks with them. They wear t-shirts and tennis shoes. There DJ's are willing to take more chances because the crowd is less critical. Since they cant drink and the 21 and up in club laws, most clubs wont waist there time throwing quality events for them because they don't stand to make as much money as with the over 21 crowd. Now for the Club crowd. With age comes experience and money. With the experience comes the knowledge of your limits and with that the lack of e-puddles at most places. And money brings in other problems. VIP is the flavor of the club scene here. Most clubs will not let you in unless your dressed to impress. How many nights have you wanted to go dance at a club but didn't feel like dressing up. Wanted to put on tennis shoes to dance your ass off instead of dress shoes. In the club scene its not just about the music or having fun, Its also about image. You could have the best DJ's coming to your club every week but if it doesn't have a good image its going to die here. Also with age comes knowing what you like. Music isn't all new to you. You find that one genre you like and generally stick to it. Learning more and more about it as time goes on. Basically it comes down to the club crowd understanding the youth and inexperience of the raver crowd. And that its out of them that the new era of music will come. And for the raver crowd to understand that as they become more experienced and there tastes more refined that they will eventually turn 21 and join the club crowd. Bashing each other doesn't do each group any good and you will find that the those fighting loudest are those at the extreme of each age group. This is just a generalization and my beliefs so don't take offence I have grouped you into one of these crowds that you feel you don't belong.