sinixstar

bwahahahahahaa - you're kidding me right? So you're telling me plus8 has done nothing? All the production work hawtin has done, under all the different names he's done it under, did NOTHING right? All those parties in Detroit and Canada, meaningless. Riiiiiiiiiiiight. Digweed may be more popular to the masses, but that really says very very little in terms of overall impact.

ahahahahahaa - right. what have you added to this conversation? "it's all because of the internet man, that's how these losers found out about the clubs!"

hahaha - right. cause i have more to say then just "damn those kids with thier drugs!!!". bitch please.

i grew up there. I was just going through some records earlier, which is why all the chicago house references.

and you sound the like the typical jaded elitest who doesn't want to admit that they've finally grown up.

hahahahaa right.

oh, gee, i'm so sorry - so all those parties i went to for all those years aren't really raves, because they didn't take place in europe, and there wasn't 10s of thousands of people? riiiiiiiight. the differnt types of parties that occour over the years has changed. If you want to live in 88-90, that's fine. Be my guest. But to sit here and try to tell me that all those parties i went to in chicago, dc, wisconson, indiana, new york, ma - weren't raves, because they didn't have 50,000 people at 'em - is ridiculous. What about the storm raves? what about the liquid sky battle under the bridge parties? what about all the drop bass parties out in madison, or the ATP parties in chicago, or the ultraworld parties in DC/baltimore? what - those aren't raves because they didn't have 50,000 people at 'em? you gotta be kidding me, right?

LMFAO so now you're going to pull out some stupid elitest shit? get a clue man. seriously. you know what really fucked up the club scene? snotty elitest fucks who don' tknow thier ass from a hole in the ground, who turned clubbing into a spectator sport. It used to be about the music and the experience, not who you are or what you do, or who you know, or who sees you. It's fuckwads like you who turned it into "fuck all those bullshit losers" that ruined shit for a lot of people. you wanna see the problem? take a look in the mirror asswipe.

i'm not bashin on anybody, i'm just saying - richie hawtin is far superior of a DJ.

man - that's flat out wack. you can't blame the decline of club culture on the internet. What kinda garbage was that? and again - don't try blaming it on the drugs, or the kids comin up nowadays. The same shit goes on now that went on 5, 6, 7, 8 years ago with the drugs and the people acting stupid. So that excuse just doesn't fly.

house music also attracts a much more niche audience. not everybody likes house music, hell most people don't even know what it is. EVERYBODY has heard hip hop, and there's millions upon millions of masses that will go out to hear it. By switching to hiphop, you're greatly increasing your target audience.

the only thing i'd have to correct you on is that - the parties that have 50,000 people at 'em - aren't raves. They're either musical festivals, or massives. Massive != rave. They're so completely different it's not even funny. Anybody who tries to say that a real rave has 50,000 people at it - has absolutely no clue what they're talking about. (altho i can see where they make that mistake, a lot of the massives out west are billed as raves, and are promoted as raves, but reality is - no) It would be cool to get something like that going on out here tho. I know creamfields was trying to put something together that would have rivaled that a few years ago, but it fell through for whatever reason.

fuck that, richie hawtin on july 5th- during the day at PS1, at night at the Arc. will definately blow digweed flat outta the water, anytime. also - how is digweed coming home? It's not from the US. That flier makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

I find it amazing, altho horridly disturbing, that people judge how good a party is, or how good a club is, based on the girls who are there. Go to a fucking strip club if you wanna see naked ass. Leave the clubs for the people who love the music.

the point i'm really trying to make is that there is a difference between underground music culture, and club culture. While there is a good deal of cross over between the two - Junior's music is meant to speak to those within the club culture. Because of this, I find it hard to really categorize him in the same way I would categorize producers and DJs who are more in step to the underground music culture. I just don't see how you can put somebody like Junior in the same field as say boo williams, or rick garcia, or ron trent, or miguel migs, or CZR, or Green Velvet/Cajmere. Those people play house. One could argue that what Junior plays is house, but it's a brand of house that's been beatin into a form that speaks to a different crowd. That in my book makes it a different entity completely.