i am all for debate and intelligent discussion, dont get me wrong. this thread has strayed a bit far from that though. this is now filled with cheap-shots, name-calling, and racial slurs. each side is unwilling to see the other's point of view. so now this has just become a pedestal from which people preach their own beliefs without listening to an opposing view. i do agree that this thread does have some sort of entertainment value. i must be a glutton for punishment, i keep coming back for more