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Yeah 250 troops is a real contribution....

Why would FRANCE suppport a war to oust their gold mine in Iraq. Haven't you heard about the massive scandal regarding that debacle "Oil for food" program? Yoiu say tyhe U.S had underlying motives of oil which is just speculation but the cold jhard facts of France and Germany's swetheart deals struck in Iraq are fact bottomline and hypocricy! A planned assasination? Son this isn't James Bond...Sadam inner web of security was one of the best and brutal in all of the world. You're still harping on the WMD issue when the initial speech to the U.N highlighted the humanitarian effort why can't that sink into your head I've posted the speech PLEASE READ!!!!

wait hold on.... You complain about a fallacy of a number concerning civilian deaths but don't support a war to stop a brutal regime who is responsible for close to million Iraqi deaths? WOW your screwed, up listen to yourself.... That why I or no other sane person takes your movemnet seriously, it's hypocricy in the fullest extent of the term... And the oil argument? The National GDP of Iraq is 22 billion per year and we have spent close to 200 so far... besidees 22 billion is what most Blue chip companies make in a year and the U.S. economy pumps out 10 trillion per year what the fawk would we need with a few wells in Iraq, see how dumb that sounds? What do you think will happen we would smuggle the oil in cargo ships with out going through OPEC? This war for oil argument is so stale I think the peacniks lack of understanding of world & capital markets blinds you in seeing how rediculous the War for Oil rant is....

Every action has a reaction..... You step out of line and cause anarchy like your bretheren have done time and time again then the response is warranted. It's every human being right to dissent but when you turn cars upside down and cause riots then the rules change... For the safety of the cities citizens the law breakers should be punished and if that means a boot to the throat then so be it. Whats the diffrence? breaking the law is breaking the law? if you don't lkike the end result of your wrong doings then don't do it in the first place... Should the rule of law be suspended because you would like to protest? These idiots at these demonstrations causes thousands of dollars of damage, thats right?

Chill homie... btw Big L sucks!

Yep! :laugh: Next time don't demonstrate while us normal people are trying to go to work and feed the social programs you mooch off of....

Are you going to cry about it?

I would pay money to fire rubber bullets at you...

Here is just 1 part that highlights the humanitarian effort in the U.N speech on September 12, 2002... I've [posted this before but you clueless idiots ignore it! In 1990, after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, the world imposed economic sanctions on Iraq. Those sanctions were maintained after the war to compel the regime's compliance with Security Council resolutions. In time, Iraq was allowed to use oil revenues to buy food. Saddam Hussein has subverted this program, working around the sanctions to buy missile technology and military materials. He blames the suffering of Iraq's people on the United Nations, even as he uses his oil wealth to build lavish palaces for himself, and arms his country. By refusing to comply with his own agreements, he bears full guilt for the hunger and misery of innocent Iraqi citizens. Put aside your hatred for the U.S. and READ THE SPEECH!!!! http://www.bushcountry.org/bush_speeches/president-bush-speech-091302.htm

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The fundamentalist govt took hold when we had the head of the Vaginaism movement Jimmy Carter. Old Jimmy boy slammed the door on the sha of Iran in the 70's. The despot Kohmeini is the real root of evil in the ME.. Where is your protests for Democracy in Iran? the majority of Iranians want it, where is your outcry for justice?? Thats why you one sided ant-american hatred is so lopsided that noone takes you seriously...

If I am called I will go...

What? Bro seriously stop dropping pills like tic tacs it's rotting your brain... When do you think this whole thing started? The majority of americans aren't blind to the dangers in front of us unlike your peacnik bretheren who would rather run and hide in the face of danger. Mark my words son the day a terrorist attack hits london (God forbid) the English peoples sentiment will change and peaceniks like your sorry self will have a boat on your throats if you try pulling that "Vaginanism" with your govt!

If I am called, I will go!

The war started on the streets of New York you mess. I say there are 3k people who would disagree with you....

And when are you running to the town square to sing koom- by- ya.. with your neighborhood terrorist? You are a joke You and your kind of pacifism when America acts is a disgrace. You protest our actions but turn a blind eye to the evil we are fighting against. It's people like you that took a sigh of relief when Chamberlain returned from Germany with the illusion of peace, all the while Hitler was planning your demise, and refered to your vaginaism as his "little worms" Fuck off and go bitch to someone who cares you little boy.... Your rantging is gtting tiresome:blown:

Anarchy isn't the word. The american will for freedom could never be crushed by Extremists unlike Spain who handed their security to Al Qeada on a silver, blood drenched plate...

Anarchy isn't the word. The american will for freedom could never be crushed by Extremists unlike Spain who handed their security to Al Qeada on a silver, blood drenched plate...

JOHN KERRY: THE ARAB HOPE? By AMIR TAHERI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- March 28, 2004 -- IF elected president, will John Kerry offer the Arabs a better deal? This is the question raised in the Arab media these days. Many different answers are given, but a consensus seems to be emerging that a Kerry presidency will lift what the Arab elite regards as its worst nightmare during the presidency of George W Bush. The Kerry debate was kicked off by the Saudi daily Al-Jazeera, which published a front-page photo of the Massachusetts senator with Prince Bandar bin Sultan Al Saud, the Saudi ambassador in Washington. Several other Saudi papers later ran the "friendship photo" "the history of a long and close friendship between Sen. Kerry and the Saudi kingdom." The pan-Arab daily Asharq Alawsat, for example, claimed that Kerry's recent promise to end America's dependence on Saudi oil is merely an electoral tactic. The paper also claimed that Kerry was introduced to the Saudi ambassador by Edward Kennedy, the senior Massachusetts senator, in 1990. The two "worked hard" to organize an exhibition in Boston to introduce "Saudi culture and civilization" to Americans. The Saudi media also cite "official documents" that testify to the "close friendship" Kerry ostensibly developed with Riyadh for more than a decade. Kennedy's "Arab connection" is even older. In 1976, he toured several Arab capitals - including Baghdad, where he met Saddam Hussein, then Vice-President of Iraq. "Kennedy understands the Arabs because he has visited the region and developed relations with Arab leaders," says a Saudi official. "As the senior figure of the Democratic Party, Kennedy will help put a Kerry administration on the right track with regard to relations with the Arabs." Beyond Saudi Arabia, the assumption in Arab media and political circles is that Kerry as president will abandon Bush's "dreams of change" in the Middle East and restore Washington's traditional policy of support for the status quo in the Arab world. "We are certain that a Democratic administration will be more realistic," says a senior advisor to Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak. "Bush's talk of imposing democracy can only de-stabilize the region and produce catastrophe for all concerned." Arab chancelleries are doing all they can to freeze all issues pending the outcome of the U.S. presidential election. But some Arab politicians reject this "wait and see" position. "For decades, we have geared Arab politics to the rhythm of American presidential elections," says Lebanese politician Walid Jumbalat. "Each time, we deluded ourselves into believing that a change at the White House would lead to a change in our favor." Jumbalat is right. The deus ex machina of American elections has seldom helped save the Arab from a tight spot. Many Arab leaders also fail to understand the sea-change that 9/11 has produced in the average American's view of the world. What Bush has tried to do is to reflect that change - which, incidentally, goes against his original inclination to keep the United States as clear of international affairs as possible. Today, it is safe to say that no one can get elected president of the United States on an anti-war platform. The rise and rapid fall of Howard Dean, the anti-war populist, was a sure sign of that. Rep. Dennis Kucinich, the most ardent of the anti-war hopefuls, has failed to rise above the 1 percent level in Democrat primaries. The Arabs should not delude themselves into believing that a Democratic administration will be able to abandon the War on Terror or ignore its root cause, which is the absence of democracy and human rights in countries where religious fascism has established itself as the key challenger to often corrupt and despotic ruling cliques. The Arabs are not alone in deluding themselves that a Democrat at the White House will let them do as they please. Kerry's claim that several foreign leaders told him they need him to beat Bush is not as fanciful as the Republicans pretend. Some "old Europe" politicians, including France's President Jacques Chirac, also hope a President Kerry will dance to their tune - not only on Iraq, but also on issues such as the Kyoto Protocol and the International Criminal Court. Dominique de Villepin, France's foreign minister, makes no secret of his belief that the Bush presidency has been an "aberration" and that a Democratic president will "lift the fog of war." What the outside world must understand is that most Americans now believe that they are threatened by enemies who can strike in the very heart of the United States. But the average American's reaction is quite different from that of the Spaniards who changed their votes because of the 3/11 terrorist attacks on Madrid. Few Americans are prepared to turn the other cheek for Osama bin Laden and societies that have helped breed, raise and finance him. Nor would they share the "old Europe" illusion that one can change the nature of a man-eater by feeding him vegetables and cuddling him. Sens. Kerry and Kennedy may be "sincere friends of the Arabs," as the Saudi media suggest. It is also quite possible that de Villepin told Kerry "you've got to beat Bush for all of us." But the problem that Arabs and some in the "old Europe" have is that they do not yet understand that, for a majority of Americans, the War on Terror is a real war - not a pose that can be altered with a change of administration.E-mail

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/17665.htm March 28, 2004 -- WE are all in agreement that a review of what happened leading up to 9/11 is important for many reasons. As families and friends of loved ones killed by the terrorists that day, we want to know if 9/11 realistically could have been prevented, whether justice is being brought to those behind this attack, and, most important, that our government is taking the right action to stop future attacks. A meaningful review as to what happened on 9/11 and the aftermath can only happen if it is truly nonpartisan. Unfortunately, this week much of the non-partisanship was taken from us when Richard Clarke, the former White House counterterrorism advisor, decided to use his testimony before the 9/11 Commission to showcase the release of his tell-all book. In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, there was an overwhelming outpouring of support from all corners of America. New Yorkers, non-New Yorkers, Democrats, Republicans - none of that mattered. We were all joined together as a country to share our grief over what the terrorists did to America that day. Of course, even then, a small number of individuals tried to take advantage of the situation and emotions exposed by 9/11, from looters of shops destroyed in the attack to those who filed bogus insurance claims. We realized then that the likelihood of exploitation would only increase as the distance of time began to separate us from that horrible day. It was very disturbing, then, to learn that Mr. Clarke would be releasing his book immediately before his scheduled public testimony before the 9/11 Commission. We are well aware that the friends and family members of those killed in 9/11 do not speak with a single voice on all issues. Nonetheless, the notion of profiteering from anything associated with 9/11 is particularly offensive to all of us. We find Mr. Clarke's actions all the more offensive especially considering the fact that there was always a high possibility that the 9/11 Commission could be used for political gain, especially now, with the presidential election less than eight months away. Surely, Mr. Clarke knew this. Yet he decided to risk the actual and perceived impartiality of this important process to maximize book sales. As family and friends of those killed on 9/11, we believe it inappropriate for Mr. Clarke to profit from and politicize 9/11, and further divide America, by his testimony before the 9/11 Commission. Indeed, we are now seeing some partisans more interested in somehow laying blame for 9/11 at the feet of President Bush - even though what we heard from both Bush and Clinton administration officials confirms what we already believed: that while al Qaeda was a known threat, no one could have known that 19 terrorists already in the United States would hijack domestic aircraft and fly them in to the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Had there been real evidence, "actionable" or otherwise, that this was being planned, we believe that President Bush, President Clinton - indeed, any president of the United States - would have done everything possible to prevent it. In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, it was President Bush who helped unite America and guide us through that devastating time. Since 9/11, he has taken the fight to the terrorists abroad. He recognizes that America is at war and has made the difficult choices necessary to destroy the terrorists and confront those who harbor them. Despite Mr. Clarke, we are hopeful that the 9/11 Commission will be able to continue its investigation in a nonpartisan way. More important, we must never lose sight of the fact that the attacks of 9/11 were perpetrated on this country by foreign terrorists committed to destroying our way of life. In the end, we will be judged on whether we successfully continue pursuing the ongoing war on terror so that we never again face another 9/11. Sincerely, Jim Boyle (father of Michael Boyle, FDNY) Madeline Bergen (wife of John Bergen, FDNY) Rosemary Cain (mother of George Cain, FDNY) Carol & Vincent Coakley (parents of Steve Coakley, FDNY) Marie Corrigan (wife of Jim Corrrigan, FDNY) Susan Cronin (sister of Thomas Strada, Cantor Fitzgerald) Chris & Lisa Della Pietra (brother and sister of Joseph Della Pietra, Cantor Fitzgerald) Sandra Della Pietra (mother of Joseph Della Pietra) Sam & Rose Esposito (parents of Michael Esposito, FDNY) Joe & Sal Esposito (brothers of Michael Esposito, FDNY, and cousins of Frank Esposito, FDNY) Tom & Patricia Farragher (brother-in-law and sister of FDNY Capt. Walter Hynes) Barbara Haskell (wife of Tom Haskell, FDNY) Dawn Haskell Carbone (sister of Tom and Tim Haskell, FDNY) Maureen Haskell (mother of Tom and Tim Haskell) Ken Haskell (brother of Tom and Tim Haskell) Frank Haskell (cousin of Tom and Tim Haskell) Paulette & Joseph J. Hasson, Jr. (parents of Joe Hasson, Cantor Fitzgerald) Virginia Hayes (wife of Phil Hayes, FDNY ret.) Bernie Heeran (father of Charles Heeran, Cantor Fitzgerald) Mike Heffernan (brother of John Heffernan, FDNY) Arlene Howard (mother of George Howard, Port Authority PD) Jennifer Iannotti (sister of Thomas Strada) John Leavy (father of Neil Leavy, FDNY) The McAleese family (family of Brian McAleese, FDNY) Bart Mitchell (father-in-law of Ronnie Bucca, FDNY) Richard & Terry Otten (parents of Michael Otten, FDNY) Frank Siller (brother of Stephen Siller, FDNY) Ernest & Mary Ann Strada (parents of Thomas Strada) Terry Strada (wife of Thomas Strada) Joseph & Michael Strada (brothers of Thomas Strada) Ed Sweeney (father of Brian Sweeney, FDNY) John & Janet Vigiano (parents of Joseph Vigiano, NYPD, and John Vigiano, FDNY)

Let me know if there's anything else you want me to prove you wrong on....

EHHHHH WRONG AGAIN! Civil War? Were not winning ? Please read and learn.... This is a doc found in an Iraqi raid, it's a letter from the foreign terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi who is leading the insurgeny in Iraq. AlQeada realizes how important forming democracy in the ME really is and is doing everything in their pwer to derail it.. Democracy is the single most important weapon in the war on terror. http://www.nationalreview.com/document/zarkawi200402121818.asp Zarkawi’s Cry A terrorist's words of despair. An NRO Primary Document EDITOR'S NOTE: Earlier this week, Coalition officials discovered a letter believed to have been written by terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi to al Qaeda operatives (see Michael Ledeen here). Below is the text of the letter, as translated and distributed by the Coalition Provisional Authority. 1. The foreign Mujahidin: Their numbers continue to be small, compared to the large nature of the expected battle. We know that there are enough good groups and jihad is continuing, despite the negative rumors. What is preventing us from making a general call to arms is the fact that the country of Iraq has no mountains in which to seek refuge, or forest in which to hide. Our presence is apparent and our movement is out in the open. Eyes are everywhere. The enemy is before us and the sea is behind us. Many Iraqis would honor you as a guest and give you refuge, for you are a Muslim brother; however, they will not allow you to make their homes a base for operations or a safe house. People who will allow you to do such things are very rare, rarer than red sulfur. Therefore, it has been extremely difficult to lodge and keep safe a number of brothers, and also train new recruits. Praised be to Allah, however, with relentless effort and searching we have acquired some places and their numbers are increasing, to become base points for the brothers who will spark war and bring the people of this country into a real battle with god's will. 2. The present and future: there is no doubt that American losses were significant because they are spread thin amongst the people and because it is easy to get weapons. This is a fact that makes them easy targets, attractive for the believers. America, however, has no intention of leaving, no matter how many wounded nor how bloody it becomes. It is looking to a near future, when it will remain safe in its bases, while handing over control of Iraq to a bastard government with an army and police force that will bring back the time of (saddam) Husayn and his cohorts. (headquarters comment: it is not clear to whom "it" is referring, but it appears to mean the united states.) There is no doubt that our field of movement is shrinking and the grip around the throat of the Mujahidin has begun to tighten. With the spread of the army and police, our future is becoming frightening. 3. So where are we? Despite few supporters, lack of friends, and tough times, god has blessed us with victories against the enemy. We were involved in all the martyrdom operations — in terms of overseeing, preparing, and planning — that took place in this country except for the operations that took place in the north. Praised be to Allah, i have completed 25 of these operations, some of them against the Shi'a and their leaders, the Americans and their military, the police, the military, and the coalition forces. There will be more in the future, god willing. We did not want to publicly claim these operations until we become more powerful and were ready for the consequences. We need to show up strong and avoid getting hurt, now that we have made great strides and taken important steps forward. As we get closer to the decisive moment, we feel that our entity is spreading within the security void existing in Iraq, something that will allow us to secure bases on the ground, these bases that will be the jump start of a serious revival, god willing. 4. Plan of action: after much inquiry and discussion, we have narrowed our enemy to four groups: A. Americans as you know, these are the biggest cowards that god has created and the easiest target. And we ask god to allow us to kill, and detain them, so that we can exchange them with our arrested shaykhs and brothers. B. Kurds these are a pain and a thorn, and it is not time yet to deal with them. They are last on our list, even though we are trying to get to some of their leaders. God willing. C. The Iraqi troops, police, and agents these are the eyes, ears, and hand of the occupier. With god's permission, we are determined to target them with force in the near future, before their power strengthens. D. The Shi'a in our opinion, these are the key to change. Targeting and striking their religious, political, and military symbols, will make them show their rage against the Sunnis and bear their inner vengeance. If we succeed in dragging them into a sectarian war, this will awaken the sleepy Sunnis who are fearful of destruction and death at the hands of these Sabeans, i.e., the Shi'a. Despite their weakness, the Sunnis are strong-willed and honest and different from the coward and deceitful Shi'a, who only attack the weak. Most of the Sunnis are aware of the danger of these people and they fear them. If it were not for those disappointing shaykhs, Sufis, and Muslim brothers, Sunnis would have a different attitude. 5. Way of action: As we have mentioned to you, our situation demands that we treat the issue with courage and clarity. So the solution, and god only knows, is that we need to bring the Shi'a into the battle because it is the only way to prolong the duration of the fight between the infidels and us. We need to do that because: A. The Shi'a have declared a subtle war against Islam. They are the close, dangerous enemy of the Sunnis. Even if the Americans are also an archenemy, the Shi'a are a greater danger and their harm more destructive to the nation than that of the Americans who are anyway the original enemy by consensus. B. They have supported the Americans, helped them, and stand with them against the Mujahidin. They work and continue to work towards the destruction of the Mujahidin. C. Fighting the Shi'a is the way to take the nation to battle. The Shi'a have taken on the dress of the army, police, and the Iraqi security forces, and have raised the banner of protecting the nation, and the citizens. Under this banner, they have begun to assassinate the Sunnis under the pretense that they are saboteurs, vestiges of the Ba'th, or terrorists who spread perversion in the country. This is being done with strong media support directed by the governing council and the Americans, and they have succeeded in splitting the regular Sunni from the Mujahidin. For example, in what they call the Sunni triangle, the army and police are spreading out in these regions, putting in charge Sunnis from the same region. Therefore, the problem is you end up having an army and police connected by lineage, blood, and appearance to the people of the region. This region is our base of operations from where we depart and to where we return. When the Americans withdraw, and they have already started doing that, they get replaced by these agents who are intimately linked to the people of this region. What will happen to us, if we fight them, and we have to fight them, is one of only two choices: 1) if we fight them, that will be difficult because there will be a schism between us and the people of the region. How can we kill their cousins and sons and under what pretext, after the Americans start withdrawing? The Americans will continue to control from their bases, but the sons of this land will be the authority. This is the democracy, we will have no pretext. 2) we can pack up and leave and look for another land, just like it has happened in so many lands of jihad. Our enemy is growing stronger day after day, and its intelligence information increases. By god, this is suffocation! We will be on the roads again. People follow their leaders, their hearts may be with you, but their swords are with their kings. So i say again, the only solution is to strike the religious, military, and other cadres of the Shi'a so that they revolt against the Sunnis. Some people will say, that this will be a reckless and irresponsible action that will bring the Islamic nation to a battle for which the Islamic nation is unprepared. Souls will perish and blood will be spilled. This is, however, exactly what we want, as there is nothing to win or lose in our situation. The Shi'a destroyed the balance, and the religion of god is worth more than lives. Until the majority stands up for the truth, we have to make sacrifices for this religion, and blood has to be spilled. For those who are good, we will speed up their trip to paradise, and the others, we will get rid of them. By god, the religion of god is more precious than anything else. We have many rounds, attacks, and black nights with the Shi'a, and we cannot delay this. Their menace is looming and this is a fact that we should not fear, because they are the most cowardly people god has created. Killing their leaders will weaken them and with the death of the head, the whole group dies. They are not like the Sunnis. If you knew the fear in the souls of the Sunnis and their people, you would weep in sadness. How many of the mosques have they have turned in to Shi'a mosques ("husayniyas")? How many houses they have destroyed with their owners inside? How many brothers have they killed? How many sisters have been raped at the hands of those vile infidels? If we are able to deal them blow after painful blow so that they engage in a battle, we will be able to reshuffle the cards so there will remain no value or influence for the ruling council, or even for the Americans who will enter into a second battle with the Shi'a. This is what we want. Then, the Sunni will have no choice but to support us in many of the Sunni regions. When the Mujahidin would have secured a land they can use as a base to hit the Shi'a inside their own lands, with a directed media and a strategic action, there will be a continuation between the Mujahidin inside and outside of Iraq. We are racing against time, in order to create squads of Mujahidin who seek refuge in secure places, spy on neighborhoods, and work on hunting down the enemies. The enemies are the Americans, police, and army. We have been training these people and augmenting their numbers. As far as the Shi'a, we will undertake suicide operations and use car bombs to harm them. We have been working on monitoring the area and choosing the right people, looking for those who are on the straight path, so we can cooperate with them. We hope that we have made progress, and perhaps we will soon decide to go public — even if gradually — to display ourselves in full view. We have been hiding for a long time, and now we are seriously working on preparing a media outlet to reveal the truth, enflame zeal, and become an outlet for jihad in which the sword and the pen can turn into one. Along with this, we strive to illuminate the hindering errors of Islamic law and the clarifications of Islamic legal precepts by way of tapes, lessons, and courses which people will come to understand. The suggested time for execution: we are hoping that we will soon start working on creating squads and brigades of individuals who have experience and expertise. We have to get to the zero-hour in order to openly begin controlling the land by night and after that by day, god willing. The zero-hour needs to be at least four months before the new government gets in place. As we see we are racing time, and if we succeed, which we are hoping, we will turn the tables on them and thwart their plan. If, god forbid, the government is successful and takes control of the country, we just have to pack up and go somewhere else again, where we can raise the flag again or die, if god chooses us. 6. What about you? You, noble brothers, leaders of jihad, we do not consider ourselves those who would compete against you, nor would we ever aim to achieve glory for ourselves like you did. The only thing we want is to be the head of the spear, assisting and providing a bridge over which the Muslim nation can cross to promised victory and a better tomorrow. As we have explained, this is our belief. So if you agree with it and are convinced of the idea of killing the perverse sects, we stand ready as an army for you, to work under your guidance and yield to your command. Indeed, we openly and publicly swear allegiance to you by using the media, in order to exasperate the infidels and confirm to the adherents of faith that one day, the believers will revel in god's victory. If you think otherwise, we will remain brothers, and disagreement will not destroy our cooperation and undermine our working together for what is best. We support jihad and wait for your response. May god keep for you the keys of goodness and preserve Islam and his people. Amen, amen.

Kerry is a disgrace...

Simpleton: Read again and maybe you'll understand While Ted Kennedy and John Kerry pontificate about losing the war on terror, al Qaeda is nearly finished. What we have been seeing lately are its tentacles flapping about in search of prey, after the head has been smashed — still for a time lethal, but without lasting strength. We should remember that perhaps the bloodiest month for Americans in the European theater of World War II was not during 1943 and 1944 amid the invasions of North Africa, Sicily, Italy, or Normandy, but rather in January 1945, a mere five months before the close of the war, when GIs fought back the last bitter German offensive

How so? All you tree huggers can say is "lie" and "delusional" with out adding to the debate. Name one part thats delusional and back up your opinion with facts, if you can of course>>>>