normalnoises Posted November 22 Report Share Posted November 22 Blatant invasion of privacy brought to you by the fascist US government. Only in Amerikkka.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,70992,00.htmlPentagon to Track American Consumer PurchasesThursday, November 21, 2002By Major GarrettWASHINGTON — A massive database that the government will use to monitor every purchase made by every American citizen is a necessary tool in the war on terror, the Pentagon said Wednesday.Edward Aldridge, undersecretary of Acquisitions and Technology, told reporters that the Pentagon is developing a prototype database to seek "patterns indicative of terrorist activity." Aldridge said the database would collect and use software to analyze consumer purchases in hopes of catching terrorists before it's too late."The bottom line is this is an important research project to determine the feasibility of using certain transactions and events to discover and respond to terrorists before they act," he said.Aldridge said the database, which he called another "tool" in the war on terror, would look for telltale signs of suspicious consumer behavior.Examples he cited were: sudden and large cash withdrawals, one-way air or rail travel, rental car transactions and purchases of firearms, chemicals or agents that could be used to produce biological or chemical weapons.It would also combine consumer information with visa records, passports, arrest records or reports of suspicious activity given to law enforcement or intelligence services.The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency is home to the Pentagon's brightest thinkers -- the ones who built the Internet. DARPA will be in charge of trying to make the system work technically.Rear Adm. John Poindexter, former national security adviser to President Reagan, is developing the database under the Total Information Awareness Program. Poindexter was convicted on five counts of misleading Congress and making false statements during the Iran-Contra investigation. Those convictions were later overturned, but critics note that his is a dubious resume for someone entrusted with so sensitive a task.Aldridge said Poindexter will only "develop the tool, he will not be exercising the tool." He said Poindexter brought the database idea to the Pentagon and persuaded Aldridge and others to pursue it."John has a real passion for this project," Aldridge said.TIAF's office logo is now one eye scanning the globe. The translation of the Latin motto: knowledge is power. Some say, possibly too much power. "What this is talking about is making us a nation of suspects and I am sorry, the United States citizens should not have to live in fear of their own government and that is exactly what this is going to turn out to be," said Chuck Pena, senior defense policy analyst at the Cato Institute.Pena and others say the database is an even greater violation of privacy rights than Attorney General John Ashcroft's nixed proposal to turn postal workers and delivery men into government tipsters. No matter what protections Congress requires, Pena fears a database big enough and nimble enough to track the entire nation's spending habits is ripe for abuse."I don't think once you put something like this in place, you can ever create enough checks and balances and oversight," Pena said.But proponents say big business already has access to most of this data, but don't do anything with it to fight terrorism."I find it somewhat counter intuitive that people are not concerned that telemarketers and insurance companies can acquire this data but feel tremendous trepidation if a government ventures into this arena. To me it just smacks of paranoia," said David Rivkin, an attorney for Baker & Hostetler LLP.The database is not yet ready and Aldridge said it will not be available for several years. Fake consumer data will be used in development of the database, he said.When it's ready, Aldridge said individual privacy rights will be protected. But he could not explain how the data would be accessed. In some cases, specific warrants would give law enforcement agencies access, he said. But in other cases the database might flag suspicious activity absent a specific request or warrant, and that suspicious activity could well be relayed to law enforcement or intelligence agencies."I don't know what the scope of this is going to be," Aldridge said. "We are in a war on terrorism. We are trying to find out if this technology can work." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycmuzik Posted November 22 Report Share Posted November 22 It sucks but so what....Like the article said, companies have been doing it for years....They sell your info to telemarketers....Still not even close to being a police state.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassa Posted November 22 Report Share Posted November 22 i think the government watches people more than we realize...read an amazing book this week ..."The Biggest Secret" by David Icke...YOU MUST READ THIS BOOK! It blew my mind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycmuzik Posted November 22 Report Share Posted November 22 Originally posted by sassa i think the government watches people more than we realize...read an amazing book this week ..."The Biggest Secret" by David Icke...YOU MUST READ THIS BOOK! It blew my mind... Is it one of those "Big Brother is watching you" type books?....Cause I'm going to pick up Chris Matthews,"American: Beyond Our Grandest Notions," today and I'm thinking of getting a few more.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassa Posted November 22 Report Share Posted November 22 Originally posted by nycmuzik2000 Is it one of those "Big Brother is watching you" type books?....Cause I'm going to pick up Chris Matthews,"American: Beyond Our Grandest Notions," today and I'm thinking of getting a few more.... no...but it is definitely an eye opener Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnice35 Posted November 22 Report Share Posted November 22 Originally posted by sassa i think the government watches people more than we realize...read an amazing book this week ..."The Biggest Secret" by David Icke...YOU MUST READ THIS BOOK! It blew my mind... Maybe people need to be watched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassa Posted November 22 Report Share Posted November 22 dude..this seriously makes me wonder about you...would you like it if your phone was tapped, surveillance cameras were posted in random spots throughout the town/city you live in, your thumprints, medical history, your entire life...to be put in governmental hands...oh wait, it's happened already.maybe george orwell was right in his 1984 book...we have been taken over by a dictatorship...dnice, not everything appears as it is on the surface....you have to read between the lines "very well" in politics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnice35 Posted November 22 Report Share Posted November 22 Originally posted by sassa dude..this seriously makes me wonder about you...would you like it if your phone was tapped, surveillance cameras were posted in random spots throughout the town/city you live in, your thumprints, medical history, your entire life...to be put in governmental hands...oh wait, it's happened already.maybe george orwell was right in his 1984 book...we have been taken over by a dictatorship...dnice, not everything appears as it is on the surface....you have to read between the lines "very well" in politics... funny you bring up 1984, I was just thinking about it. But lets face it Sassa we have been watched for years now. I am sure some agency out there has a whole file about me, my prints, life story, blah, blah, blah. Who cares as long as I lead a good life they cant use any of that against me. Remember we have some sick fucking people in this world and yes it would bother me, lets say, if I was having phone sex with someone and my phones were being tapped. But if it helps prevent the DC shootings or 9-11 attacks, then I am all for it. God after reading 1984 I never tought I would be thinking this way..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassa Posted November 22 Report Share Posted November 22 Originally posted by dnice35 funny you bring up 1984, I was just thinking about it. But lets face it Sassa we have been watched for years now. I am sure some agency out there has a whole file about me, my prints, life story, blah, blah, blah. Who cares as long as I lead a good life they cant use any of that against me. Remember we have some sick fucking people in this world and yes it would bother me, lets say, if I was having phone sex with someone and my phones were being tapped. But if it helps prevent the DC shootings or 9-11 attacks, then I am all for it. God after reading 1984 I never tought I would be thinking this way..... i would NOT want to live in such a world. and i won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted November 23 Author Report Share Posted November 23 Neither will I!! I can't believe this fascist government wants to get into our shopping carts. What's next? Our bedrooms?"Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fear the people you have rights." Thomas Jefferson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnice35 Posted November 23 Report Share Posted November 23 Originally posted by normalnoises Neither will I!! I can't believe this fascist government wants to get into our shopping carts. What's next? Our bedrooms?"Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fear the people you have rights." Thomas Jefferson I dont fear my goverment..... "Neither will I!! I can't believe this fascist government wants to get into our shopping carts. What's next? Our bedrooms?"why would the goverment want to find out about your homosexual activities?either way I doubt theres any action in your bedroom you old fuck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted November 23 Author Report Share Posted November 23 Originally posted by dnice35 I dont fear my goverment..... "Neither will I!! I can't believe this fascist government wants to get into our shopping carts. What's next? Our bedrooms?"why would the goverment want to find out about your homosexual activities?either way I doubt theres any action in your bedroom you old fuck! I doubt there's any action in your brain, unintelligent one.I wonder what kind of child porn they'll find in your computer? How do you know what goes on in my bedroom? And how do you know I'm a homosexual? Can you prove it? It's not your fucking business what I do.Your asinine bullshit only shows your immaturity and how much of an idiot you really are. Don't ever make false accusations without the proof to back it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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