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So the Israelis enjoy killing defenseless elderly women? Fucking murderers!! They are sick!!

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Israeli soldier's shot kills taxi passenger, 95

By Charles M. Sennott, Globe Staff, Globe Correspondent, 12/4/2002

JERUSALEM - Another deadly milestone was recorded yesterday in the gruesome ledger of 26 months of violence between Israelis and Palestinians: the oldest known victim.

Fatima Hassan Sarahneh, a 95-year-old Palestinian woman, was killed by an Israeli soldier who fired a hail of bullets on the taxi she rode in while traveling in an area the Israeli military had closed to Palestinians, eyewitnesses and hospital officials said.

An Israeli Defense Forces spokeswoman said last night that a soldier had fired at the taxi's wheel to stop it from passing a checkpoint and that the incident was under investigation.

The afternoon shooting occurred when Sarahneh and another Palestinian woman, Kefiya Ra'fat, 41, and her 10-year-old daughter were returning from a doctor's appointment. They had purchased sweets to celebrate the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan and sat in the back seat of the taxi as it reached a checkpoint at the West Bank city of Ramallah, eyewitnesses said.

''There were cars in front of me and cars behind me,'' Rami Jawdat, the taxi driver, said in an interview at his home. ''I saw suddenly a soldier brandishing a rifle, and he smashed the mirror and the front shield. Then he smashed the window on the left side.

''He was stopping 1 meter away from the car's rear and fired at least 12 bullets,'' Jawdat said. ''Fatima was sitting on the seat behind me. She died instantly.''

Ra'fat, who was shot in the leg and whose daughter was lightly injured from broken glass during the incident, offered a similar account.

''The soldiers were running toward us, shooting in all directions,'' she told the Associated Press from her hospital bed in Ramallah. ''They startail of bullets on the taxi she rode in while traveling in an area the Israeli military had closed to Palestinians, eyewitnesses and hospital officials said.

An Israeli Defense Forces spokeswoman said last night that a soldier had fired at the taxi's wheel to stop it from passing a checkpoint and that the incident was under investigation.

The afternoon shooting occurred when Sarahneh and another Palestinian woman, Kefiya Ra'fat, 41, and her 10-year-old daughter were returning from a doctor's appointment. They had purchased sweets to celebrate the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan and sat in the back seat of the taxi as it reached a checkpoint at the West Bank city of Ramallah, eyewitnesses said.

''There were cars in front of me and cars behind me,'' Rami Jawdat, the taxi driver, said in an interview at his home. ''I saw suddenly a soldier brandishing a rifle, and he smashed the mirror and the front shield. Then he smashed the window on the left side.

''He was stopping 1 meter away from the car's rear and fired at least 12 bullets,'' Jawdat said. ''Fatima was sitting on the seat behind me. She died instantly.''

Ra'fat, who was shot in the leg and whose daughter was lightly injured from broken glass during the incident, offered a similar account.

''The soldiers were running toward us, shooting in all directions,'' she told the Associated Press from her hospital bed in Ramallah. ''They startail of bullets on the taxi she rode in while traveling in an area the Israeli military had closed to Palestinians, eyewitnesses and hospital officials said.

An Israeli Defense Forces spokeswoman said last night that a soldier had fired at the taxi's wheel to stop it from passing a checkpoint and that the incident was under investigation.

The afternoon shooting occurred when Sarahneh and another Palestinian woman, Kefiya Ra'fat, 41, and her 10-year-old daughter were returning from a doctor's appointment. They had purchased sweets to celebrate the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan and sat in the back seat of the taxi as it reached a checkpoint at the West Bank city of Ramallah, eyewitnesses said.

''There were cars in front of me and cars behind me,'' Rami Jawdat, the taxi driver, said in an interview at his home. ''I saw suddenly a soldier brandishing a rifle, and he smashed the mirror and the front shield. Then he smashed the window on the left side.

''He was stopping 1 meter away from the car's rear and fired at least 12 bullets,'' Jawdat said. ''Fatima was sitting on the seat behind me. She died instantly.''

Ra'fat, who was shot in the leg and whose daughter was lightly injured from broken glass during the incident, offered a similar account.

''The soldiers were running toward us, shooting in all directions,'' she told the Associated Press from her hospital bed in Ramallah. ''They started to hit the windthe taxi she rode in while traveling in an area the Israeli military had closed to Palestinians, eyewitnesses and hospital officials said.

An Israeli Defense Forces spokeswoman said last night that a soldier had fired at the taxi's wheel to stop it from passing a checkpoint and that the incident was under investigation.

The afternoon shooting occurred when Sarahneh and another Palestinian woman, Kefiya Ra'fat, 41, and her 10-year-old daughter were returning from a doctor's appointment. They had purchased sweets to celebrate the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan and sat in the back seat of the taxi as it reached a checkpoint at the West Bank city of Ramallah, eyewitnesses said.

''There were cars in front of me and cars behind me,'' Rami Jawdat, the taxi driver, said in an interview at his home. ''I saw suddenly a soldier brandishing a rifle, and he smashed the mirror and the front shield. Then he smashed the window on the left side.

''He was stopping 1 meter away from the car's rear and fired at least 12 bullets,'' Jawdat said. ''Fatima was sitting on the seat behind me. She died instantly.''

Ra'fat, who was shot in the leg and whose daughter was lightly injured from broken glass during the incident, offered a similar account.

''The soldiers were running toward us, shooting in all directions,'' she told the Associated Press from her hospital bed in Ramallah. ''They started to hit the windows of the car'' with their weapons, she said.

After breaking the windows, the soldiers began shooting at the vehicle, Ra'fat said. Israel's Channel Two television quoted military sources last night as saying that one soldier fired 17 bullets while he was running.

Mohammed Wahdan, a doctor at Ramallah's hospital, confirmed that Sarahneh ''was killed after being shot by one bullet in the back.''

An Israeli Defense Forces spokeswoman said the taxi drove fast and refused to stop. ''The soldiers shot in the air and then toward the wheel of the car. ... And probably one of the bullets killed the woman or something like that.''

Israeli troops took over Ramallah and most other West Bank population centers several months ago, in an effort to stop suicide bombings and shooting attacks in Israel.

Although many roads are officially closed by the military, thousands of people risk traveling along them every day. The roads have been particularly busy in the last few days, as Muslims have been attending prayers and shopping for the feast that marks the end of Ramadan.

When asked about the accounts of the other two people in the car or whether the soldier involved had violated any military procedures, the IDF spokeswoman said, '' The investigation is not finished yet.''

Yesterday's fatal shooting follows the fatal shooting of another noncombatant last week, a United Nations worker. Humaed to hit the windows of the car'' with their weapons, she said.

After breaking the windows, the soldiers began shooting at the vehicle, Ra'fat said. Israel's Channel Two television quoted military sources last night as saying that one soldier fired 17 bullets while he was running.

Mohammed Wahdan, a doctor at Ramallah's hospital, confirmed that Sarahneh ''was killed after being shot by one bullet in the back.''

An Israeli Defense Forces spokeswoman said the taxi drove fast and refused to stop. ''The soldiers shot in the air and then toward the wheel of the car. ... And probably one of the bullets killed the woman or something like that.''

Israeli troops took over Ramallah and most other West Bank population centers several months ago, in an effort to stop suicide bombings and shooting attacks in Israel.

Although many roads are officially closed by the military, thousands of people risk traveling along them every day. The roads have been particularly busy in the last few days, as Muslims have been attending prayers and shopping for the feast that marks the end of Ramadan.

When asked about the accounts of the other two people in the car or whether the soldier involved had violated any military procedures, the IDF spokeswoman said, '' The investigation is not finished yet.''

Yesterday's fatal shooting follows the fatal shooting of another noncombatant last week, a United Nations worker. Humaed to hit the windows of the car'' with their weapons, she said.

After breaking the windows, the soldiers began shooting at the vehicle, Ra'fat said. Israel's Channel Two television quoted military sources last night as saying that one soldier fired 17 bullets while he was running.

Mohammed Wahdan, a doctor at Ramallah's hospital, confirmed that Sarahneh ''was killed after being shot by one bullet in the back.''

An Israeli Defense Forces spokeswoman said the taxi drove fast and refused to stop. ''The soldiers shot in the air and then toward the wheel of the car. ... And probably one of the bullets killed the woman or something like that.''

Israeli troops took over Ramallah and most other West Bank population centers several months ago, in an effort to stop suicide bombings and shooting attacks in Israel.

Although many roads are officially closed by the military, thousands of people risk traveling along them every day. The roads have been particularly busy in the last few days, as Muslims have been attending prayers and shopping for the feast that marks the end of Ramadan.

When asked about the accounts of the other two people in the car or whether the soldier involved had violated any military procedures, the IDF spokeswoman said, '' The investigation is not finished yet.''

Yesterday's fatal shooting follows the fatal shooting of another noncombatant last week, a United Nations worker. Human rights activistsows of the car'' with their weapons, she said.

After breaking the windows, the soldiers began shooting at the vehicle, Ra'fat said. Israel's Channel Two television quoted military sources last night as saying that one soldier fired 17 bullets while he was running.

Mohammed Wahdan, a doctor at Ramallah's hospital, confirmed that Sarahneh ''was killed after being shot by one bullet in the back.''

An Israeli Defense Forces spokeswoman said the taxi drove fast and refused to stop. ''The soldiers shot in the air and then toward the wheel of the car. ... And probably one of the bullets killed the woman or something like that.''

Israeli troops took over Ramallah and most other West Bank population centers several months ago, in an effort to stop suicide bombings and shooting attacks in Israel.

Although many roads are officially closed by the military, thousands of people risk traveling along them every day. The roads have been particularly busy in the last few days, as Muslims have been attending prayers and shopping for the feast that marks the end of Ramadan.

When asked about the accounts of the other two people in the car or whether the soldier involved had violated any military procedures, the IDF spokeswoman said, '' The investigation is not finished yet.''

Yesterday's fatal shooting follows the fatal shooting of another noncombatant last week, a United Nations worker. Human rights activists have complained that the military has not adequately investigated or prosecuted such incidents in the past.

While battling Palestinian gunmen in the West Bank refugee camp of Jenin, Israeli soldiers fatally shot Iain Hook, a project director for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency. Israel said the soldiers mistook the British worker for a gunman, and the army opened another investigation. The army said Palestinian gunmen were firing from the UNRWA compound during the battle, a charge the UN agency has denied.

Since Israeli-Palestinian violence broke out in September 2000, 1,951 people have been killed on the Palestinian side and 684 on the Israeli side, according to the Associated Press. Patricia Smith of Palestine Monitor, a group that tracks Palestinian casualties, said her records indicate that Sarahneh is the oldest Palestinian killed in the fighting.

Sarahneh's friends and family described her as a great storyteller and the matriarch of an extended family that includes 20 grandchildren and 20 great-grandchildren, the youngest born three hours after her death.

Sarahneh was born in 1907 and lived under the rule of the Ottoman Empire, the British Mandate, the Jordanian kingdom, the Israeli occupation, the Palestinian Authority, and the reoccupation by Israel in recent months.

''Nobody can imagine the army will kill an old woman,'' said her great-grandson Izzat, 28, in an rights activists have complained that the military has not adequately investigated or prosecuted such incidents in the past.

While battling Palestinian gunmen in the West Bank refugee camp of Jenin, Israeli soldiers fatally shot Iain Hook, a project director for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency. Israel said the soldiers mistook the British worker for a gunman, and the army opened another investigation. The army said Palestinian gunmen were firing from the UNRWA compound during the battle, a charge the UN agency has denied.

Since Israeli-Palestinian violence broke out in September 2000, 1,951 people have been killed on the Palestinian side and 684 on the Israeli side, according to the Associated Press. Patricia Smith of Palestine Monitor, a group that tracks Palestinian casualties, said her records indicate that Sarahneh is the oldest Palestinian killed in the fighting.

Sarahneh's friends and family described her as a great storyteller and the matriarch of an extended family that includes 20 grandchildren and 20 great-grandchildren, the youngest born three hours after her death.

Sarahneh was born in 1907 and lived under the rule of the Ottoman Empire, the British Mandate, the Jordanian kingdom, the Israeli occupation, the Palestinian Authority, and the reoccupation by Israel in recent months.

''Nobody can imagine the army will kill an old woman,'' said her great-grandson Izzat, 28, in an rights activists have complained that the military has not adequately investigated or prosecuted such incidents in the past.

While battling Palestinian gunmen in the West Bank refugee camp of Jenin, Israeli soldiers fatally shot Iain Hook, a project director for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency. Israel said the soldiers mistook the British worker for a gunman, and the army opened another investigation. The army said Palestinian gunmen were firing from the UNRWA compound during the battle, a charge the UN agency has denied.

Since Israeli-Palestinian violence broke out in September 2000, 1,951 people have been killed on the Palestinian side and 684 on the Israeli side, according to the Associated Press. Patricia Smith of Palestine Monitor, a group that tracks Palestinian casualties, said her records indicate that Sarahneh is the oldest Palestinian killed in the fighting.

Sarahneh's friends and family described her as a great storyteller and the matriarch of an extended family that includes 20 grandchildren and 20 great-grandchildren, the youngest born three hours after her death.

Sarahneh was born in 1907 and lived under the rule of the Ottoman Empire, the British Mandate, the Jordanian kingdom, the Israeli occupation, the Palestinian Authority, and the reoccupation by Israel in recent months.

''Nobody can imagine the army will kill an old woman,'' said her great-grandson Izzat, 28, in a telephone intervi have complained that the military has not adequately investigated or prosecuted such incidents in the past.

While battling Palestinian gunmen in the West Bank refugee camp of Jenin, Israeli soldiers fatally shot Iain Hook, a project director for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency. Israel said the soldiers mistook the British worker for a gunman, and the army opened another investigation. The army said Palestinian gunmen were firing from the UNRWA compound during the battle, a charge the UN agency has denied.

Since Israeli-Palestinian violence broke out in September 2000, 1,951 people have been killed on the Palestinian side and 684 on the Israeli side, according to the Associated Press. Patricia Smith of Palestine Monitor, a group that tracks Palestinian casualties, said her records indicate that Sarahneh is the oldest Palestinian killed in the fighting.

Sarahneh's friends and family described her as a great storyteller and the matriarch of an extended family that includes 20 grandchildren and 20 great-grandchildren, the youngest born three hours after her death.

Sarahneh was born in 1907 and lived under the rule of the Ottoman Empire, the British Mandate, the Jordanian kingdom, the Israeli occupation, the Palestinian Authority, and the reoccupation by Israel in recent months.

''Nobody can imagine the army will kill an old woman,'' said her great-grandson Izzat, 28, in a telephone interview from his house in Atara. ''She was returning home to bring sweets for her grand children. She was the remaining pillar of my family.''

Globe correspondent Said Ghazali contributed to this story.

This story ran on page A8 of the Boston Globe on 12/4/2002.

© Copyright 2002 Globe Newspaper Company.

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Originally posted by normalnoises

So the Israelis enjoy killing defenseless elderly women? Fucking murderers!! They are sick!!

I challage you to find one account of ANY Israeli celebrating the death of a Palestinian! However, you can find coutless Palestinian celebrations when Jews or Americans die. You really have no idea what is going on in the middle east. Why don't you take some time and learn the facts.

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Originally posted by normalnoises

So the Israelis enjoy killing defenseless elderly women? Fucking murderers!! They are sick!!

dude she was 95? she was gonna die soon anyways...they just cut out the middle man (in this case "time" is the middle man):tongue:;)

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Originally posted by mrmatas2277

dude she was 95? she was gonna die soon anyways...they just cut out the middle man (in this case "time" is the middle man):tongue:;)

what if that was your grandmother? or your friend's grandmother? or hell, even an american woman? would your feelings change then?

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Originally posted by mrmatas2277

dude she was 95? she was gonna die soon anyways...they just cut out the middle man (in this case "time" is the middle man):tongue:;)

So that makes it automatically ok to kill her off?? She was 95 years old!! How would you feel if that was YOUR 95 year old grandmother getting offed by a soldier? How would you feel if YOU were to one sitting next to her in that taxi cab?? That was a very ignorant thing of you to say!!

Gotta like your compassion :rolleyes:

And Dnice, seeing that report came from a very reliable source I will believe it. It may be untrue to you because the truth is too hard for you to swallow but seeing as how you replied to this thread (as expected) then the questions I have asked mrmatas have to apply to you as well.

Originally posted by sassa

what if that was your grandmother? or your friend's grandmother? or hell, even an american woman? would your feelings change then?

Good point!!

Are we both on the same train of thought again????

*Looks for Rod Serling*

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normaal n, the soldier who accidentally shot that car up is in jail right now. although the murder of an innocent is inexcusable, he shot because he believed his comrades were in danger of a suicide car bomb, as they had been before. no one is praising allah or god for the death of that woman, it was a mistake, a tragedy. i cant say the same thing for the other side. when the palestinian children stop dancing and throwing candy with their parents, every time a bomb goes off in an israeli club, then we will talk on equal level

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Originally posted by tribal

normaal n, the soldier who accidentally shot that car up is in jail right now. although the murder of an innocent is inexcusable, he shot because he believed his comrades were in danger of a suicide car bomb, as they had been before. no one is praising allah or god for the death of that woman, it was a mistake, a tragedy. i cant say the same thing for the other side. when the palestinian children stop dancing and throwing candy with their parents, every time a bomb goes off in an israeli club, then we will talk on equal level

I agree.

No violent act should be celebrated in that way. And no, I have never seen an Israeli tap dance in glee when they bomb the living daylights out of the Palestinians.

Both sides have conducted violent acts and both sides are equally guilty. This is a conflict that has been going on for centuries.

No violent act should be celebrated in that way. And no, I have never seen an Israeli tap dance in glee when they bomb the living daylights out of the Palestinians.

If you have read the aritcle and I'm sure you did it said that "An Israeli Defense Forces spokeswoman said the taxi drove fast and refused to stop. ''The soldiers shot in the air and then toward the wheel of the car. ... And probably one of the bullets killed the woman or something like that.'' I have to disagree with what the spokeswoman said on the basis that the cab was in-between two other vehicles that were stopped, waiting to go through the checkpoint which contridicts what was said by the spokeswoman. This is a clear cut sign of a total coverup (forthcoming) concerning this incident. This woman was a non-combatant and a week before that another incident of simularity happened. Also the Israeli military covers their tracks (oftenly) when investigating incidents of this nature so therefore don't expct them to conduct this investigation in adaquate form. Expect them to cover this one up just like other incident with you on the fact that the Palestinianviolent act should be celebrated in that way. And no, I have never seen an Israeli tap dance in glee when they bomb the living daylights out of the Palestinians.

Both sides have conducted violent acts and both sides are equally guilty. This is a conflict that has been going on for centuries.

No violent act should be celebrated in that way. And no, I have never seen an Israeli tap dance in glee when they bomb the living daylights out of the Palestinians.

If you have read the aritcle and I'm sure you did it said that "An Israeli Defense Forces spokeswoman said the taxi drove fast and refused to stop. ''The soldiers shot in the air and then toward the wheel of the car. ... And probably one of the bullets killed the woman or something like that.'' I have to disagree with what the spokeswoman said on the basis that the cab was in-between two other vehicles that were stopped, waiting to go through the checkpoint which contridicts what was said by the spokeswoman. This is a clear cut sign of a total coverup (forthcoming) concerning this incident. This woman was a non-combatant and a week before that another incident of simularity happened. Also the Israeli military covers their tracks (oftenly) when investigating incidents of this nature so therefore don't expct them to conduct this investigation in adaquate form. Expect them to cover this one up just like other incident with you on the fact that the Palestinians have their little "ye-ha" whenever a bomb goes off at an Israeli nightclub or wherever else incidents of that nature occur which is a sick thing to celebrate.

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Seeing as how this board would not allow me to delete my errors from the last posting do to an edit function issue thus making that last posting a total mess I have decided to re-post my comment here to Tribal:

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Originally posted by tribal

normaal n, the soldier who accidentally shot that car up is in jail right now. although the murder of an innocent is inexcusable, he shot because he believed his comrades were in danger of a suicide car bomb, as they had been before. no one is praising allah or god for the death of that woman, it was a mistake, a tragedy. i cant say the same thing for the other side. when the palestinian children stop dancing and throwing candy with their parents, every time a bomb goes off in an israeli club, then we will talk on equal level

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I agree.

No violent act should be celebrated in that way. And no, I have never seen an Israeli tap dance in glee when they bomb the living daylights out of the Palestinians.

Both sides have conducted violent acts and both sides are equally guilty. This is a conflict that has been going on for centuries.

If you read the aritcle and I'm sure you did it said that "An Israeli Defense Forces spokeswoman said the taxi drove fast and refused to stop. ''The soldiers shot in the air and then toward the wheel of the car. ... And probably one of the bullets killed the woman or something like that.'' I have to disagree with what the spokeswoman said on the basis that the cab was in-between two other vehicles that were stopped, waiting to go through the checkpoint which contridicts what was said by the spokeswoman. This is a clear cut sign of a total coverup (forthcoming) concerning this incident. This woman was a non-combatant and a week before that another incident of simularity happened. Also the Israeli military covers their tracks (oftenly) when investigating incid god for the death of that woman, it was a mistake, a tragedy. i cant say the same thing for the other side. when the palestinian children stop dancing and throwing candy with their parents, every time a bomb goes off in an israeli club, then we will talk on equal level

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I agree.

No violent act should be celebrated in that way. And no, I have never seen an Israeli tap dance in glee when they bomb the living daylights out of the Palestinians.

Both sides have conducted violent acts and both sides are equally guilty. This is a conflict that has been going on for centuries.

If you read the aritcle and I'm sure you did it said that "An Israeli Defense Forces spokeswoman said the taxi drove fast and refused to stop. ''The soldiers shot in the air and then toward the wheel of the car. ... And probably one of the bullets killed the woman or something like that.'' I have to disagree with what the spokeswoman said on the basis that the cab was in-between two other vehicles that were stopped, waiting to go through the checkpoint which contridicts what was said by the spokeswoman. This is a clear cut sign of a total coverup (forthcoming) concerning this incident. This woman was a non-combatant and a week before that another incident of simularity happened. Also the Israeli military covers their tracks (oftenly) when investigating incidents of this nature so therefore don't expct them to conduct this investigation in adaquate form. Expect them to cover this one up just like other incidents of this nature.

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Originally posted by normalnoises

And Dnice, seeing that report came from a very reliable source I will believe it. It may be untrue to you because the truth is too hard for you to swallow but seeing as how you replied to this thread (as expected) then the questions I have asked mrmatas have to apply to you as well.

My grandmother doesnt live in Palestine and doesnt associate with Palestine parasites. So I dont see how she would ever be shot by an Israeli soldier or be mistaken for a suicide bomber.

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mistakes happen....i would like to see how any of us would react in that situation....if i was in a place where i thought everyone was trying to kill me first chance they got....i would definitely be light on the trigger.....very unfortunate story......but again.....the leaders are putting these people in harms way....until there are a new set of leaders in place.....atrocities will continue on both sides....

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Originally posted by normalnoises

So that makes it automatically ok to kill her off?? She was 95 years old!! How would you feel if that was YOUR 95 year old grandmother getting offed by a soldier? How would you feel if YOU were to one sitting next to her in that taxi cab?? That was a very ignorant thing of you to say!!

it was a sick sick joke (which i love springing on people sometimes) hence the

:tongue: &;) ....life is a precious thing....i could careless u think i am "ignant", cuz in my opinion, all ur topics and opinions are what is the cool and mainstream thing to say...when i see ur opinions or posts i just see "bla bla bla...i hate republicans...bla bla bla...this government sucks....bla bla bla...where did i put my starbucks coffee..bla bla bla"

since were are close to Christmas...i bought u a present for ur little "imagine its ur grandma" comment....:nopity: :nopity: :nopity:

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You come back with this....

Originally posted by normalnoises

And no, I have never seen an Israeli tap dance in glee when they bomb the living daylights out of the Palestinians.

and start the thread w/ this...

Originally posted by normalnoises

So the Israelis enjoy killing defenseless elderly women? Fucking murderers!! They are sick!!

Are you talking out of your ass or is it just me?

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Originally posted by guyman1966

You come back with this....

and start the thread w/ this...

Are you talking out of your ass or is it just me?

not just you, I really think thats his ass talking....

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