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sassa Posted December 24 Report Share Posted December 24 Originally posted by sababa 1. The SLA (South Lebanon Army) massaccred those people, not the Israeli army.2. Sharon was found indirectly responsible for the event, and was forced to resign as Defense Minister.3. What Arab leader, that you know of, was forced down by his own people for killing Jews? Why is Arafat's trembling ass still the head of the Palestinians?You're whole post is meaningless because you are equating Israeli soldiers who are on the defense, and may kill civilians in the process of rooting out terrorism, with terrorists who's dream daily is to kill as many Israeli kids as possible. There is simply no comparison between the two, and you know it. You can twist things to make them seem to be equal evils, but deep down you know its bullshit. I'm gonna ask you again, if you're gonna debate with me, turn that propaganda machine inside your head off. a terrorist's dream is to kill as many israeli kids as possible??? nice...i suppose israelis are so pure and so lacking of this human trait for revenge that they would NEVER stoop to a palestinian's level...you're trying to justify the actions of a people who have been involved with terrorist actions..what about the 1920's in palestine? certainly, there were many people who were involved with these kind of activities...what was that guy's name that started one....studied about him in high school, his last name starts with a t..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassa Posted December 24 Report Share Posted December 24 this guy is a total asshole....http://www.ict.org.il/inter_ter/orgdet.cfm?orgid=19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted December 24 Report Share Posted December 24 Originally posted by guyman1966 Bush, Powell wrong on Islam--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Posted: December 6, 20021:00 a.m. EasternBy Joseph Farah--------------------------------------------------------------------------------© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com President Bush and Secretary of State Colin Powell have both recently sharply criticized those warning of the grave threat posed by Islamism. They characterized such warnings as "hate" speech. Such a reaction from our national leaders requires abject ignorance of the world around us. The truth? Islamism is the No. 1 threat to Western civilization today. It is the No. 1 threat to Christians around the world. It is the No. 1 threat to Jews. It is the No. 1 threat to American security. Worse yet, Bush and Powell continue policies that actually spread the poisonous hate of Islamism – hatred that manifests itself in the deaths of innocent people around the world on a daily basis. Failing to recognize we are engulfed in a Global Jihad – an unholy war in which only one side is on the offensive – Bush and Powell pretend that the terrorism we defend against is somehow disconnected from any religious component. It is not. Islamism, the radical brand of Quranic fundamentalism, is on the march. Its goal is nothing short of world hegemony. Its goal is nothing short of the destruction of the United States of America. Its goal is nothing short of the end of the Jewish state. Its goal is nothing short of the elimination of Christians and Jews around the world. Its goal is nothing short of global domination. We see the violent outbursts today in Nigeria. We see them in Indonesia. We see them in the Philippines. We see them in the Middle East. We see them in Chechnya. We see them in the Balkans. And we in the United States saw them most clearly on Sept. 11, 2001. How can we continue to keep our heads in the sand? Rather than criticize those who do see the truth clearly, Bush and Powell ought to remember who their friends are. They ought to remember they are responsible even today for supporting those with blood on their hands. They ought to remember those schools in the Palestinian Authority teaching real hate, real violence, real jihad – all with taxpayer subsidies from the United States of America. They ought to remember "our friends" in Saudi Arabia who fund terrorism around the globe and who sent so many of those hijackers to the U.S. last year. Perhaps Bush and Powell believe, like President Clinton and Madeleine Albright before them, that if only we in the United States are "nice" to those who hate us, the favor will be returned. Perhaps they think appeasement is the best policy. Perhaps they think this deep-seated violent hatred against us will dissipate if only we pretend it doesn't really exist. Perhaps they think we can win respect from our enemy if we are kinder and gentler. This was the mistake Israel made a decade ago. Under pressure from the West, the Jewish state negotiated and conceded and bargained and withdrew. Only recently have most Israelis seen the truth: It was all for naught. It was all in vain. It was all an illusion. There was never any chance for peace through weakness. The only way to achieve victory in this war with Islamism is to recognize who the enemy really is. That is how we defeated the Soviet Union. President Reagan called it what it was – an "Evil Empire." And that was the beginning of the end. If we don't call evil what it is, we cannot hope to defeat it. No, we are not at war with all Muslims. There is a distinction. Some Muslims, as we have seen, prefer to live under freedom. Some prefer to live free of hate. Some prefer to live in peace with Christians and Jews. But we cannot ignore the fact that many do not. We cannot ignore the fact that many see our demise as their divine purpose. We cannot ignore that there is a sizable and growing number of Muslims in that category. There is no danger that Americans are about to be consumed with hatred for all Muslims. There is no danger that Americans are about to punish innocent Muslims for the crimes of others. There is no danger that Americans are going to become like our enemies. Therefore, here's my advice to Bush and Powell: Stop the appeasement. Pull the plug on the financial aid to terrorism. Recognize the true enemy and deal with it harshly. Don't compromise with evil. And, most of all, stop criticizing your true friends and allies in this war.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Can you say GENERALIZATION??? You just accused the entire islamic faith as being terroristic with this!Sassa is of islamic faith. Is she a terrorist too? I DON'T THINK SO!!!!It is clearly obvious you cannot seperate ISLAM from TERRORIST!! DID A MUSLIM DO THIS???http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/oklahoma/stories/firststory.htmYes it was a terorist attack but by AN AMERICAN who was CHRISTIAN!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sababa Posted December 24 Report Share Posted December 24 Originally posted by sassa what about the 1920's in palestine? certainly, there were many people who were involved with these kind of activities...Obviously you don't read my posts.......I already stated that there were Jewish fundamentalists, but none that commit terrorist acts simply in the name of g-d, or their religion. Islamic terrorists however, commit these immoral crimes in the name of allah alone.Ya shakran ben sharmuta, tikra et ma'she'ani kotev...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted December 24 Report Share Posted December 24 Arafat and the PLO must go but I think we should include HAMAS in the mix also. They are terrorist who use the Quran to justify their cause thus perverting islamic faith. The Bush administration must go but I think we should include other religious zealots like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and David Duke because they are terrorists who use the Bible to justify their cause thus perverting Christianity.Sharon must go because he is a racist zionist doing to the Palestinian people what the Nazis did to Jews like himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyman1966 Posted December 25 Author Report Share Posted December 25 Originally posted by sassa http://www.ihr.org/books/ztn.htmllike, sababa... What you fail to mention Sassa is that The Jewish Defense League was not accepted by 99% of Jewish Americans or Israelis. They were viewed as terrorists and extremists and ostracized. This is actually a great example of why the Arab/Muslim community is so fucked up. They never really come out against the PLO, Hammas or any other organization. Sure, once in a while you will hear from a Muslim how terrible the terrorism is, but "necessary". Why can't all Muslims stand up and denounce terrorism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djxeno Posted December 25 Report Share Posted December 25 Originally posted by guyman1966 What you fail to mention Sassa is that The Jewish Defense League was not accepted by 99% of Jewish Americans or Israelis. They were viewed as terrorists and extremists and ostracized. This is actually a great example of why the Arab/Muslim community is so fucked up. They never really come out against the PLO, Hammas or any other organization. Sure, once in a while you will hear from a Muslim how terrible the terrorism is, but "necessary". Why can't all Muslims stand up and denounce terrorism? We have many times, but the media doesn't show it. Let me give you an example. I personallly attended the ISNA (Islamic Center of North America) convention in Washington over the summer, where over 50,000 muslims got together and denounced terrorism. It was a four day event. The only network that even mentioned this was C-SPAN, which broadcasted it live.Peace,-XeNo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted December 26 Report Share Posted December 26 Originally posted by guyman1966 What you fail to mention Sassa is that The Jewish Defense League was not accepted by 99% of Jewish Americans or Israelis. They were viewed as terrorists and extremists and ostracized. This is actually a great example of why the Arab/Muslim community is so fucked up. They never really come out against the PLO, Hammas or any other organization. Sure, once in a while you will hear from a Muslim how terrible the terrorism is, but "necessary". Why can't all Muslims stand up and denounce terrorism? What you fail to mention is how the western media generalizes muslims as terrorists. Another thing you fail to mention is how the western media doesn't tell you about the many muslims who denounce terroirsm. Xeno is right on on his comment in this thread on his last posting.And when Sassa speaks of muslims I validate her statements because she should know far better than you do. I can learn alot from her.As far as the Jewish Defense League is concerned, yes they ARE terroistic and support the death and destruction of islam, the same way Hitler supported the death and destruction of Jews so they are no different. They are Jewish Fundimentalists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyman1966 Posted December 26 Author Report Share Posted December 26 Originally posted by normalnoises What you fail to mention is how the western media generalizes muslims as terrorists. Another thing you fail to mention is how the western media doesn't tell you about the many muslims who denounce terroirsm. As far as the Jewish Defense League is concerned, yes they ARE terroistic and support the death and destruction of islam, the same way Hitler supported the death and destruction of Jews so they are no different. They are Jewish Fundimentalists. What the Muslim leaders say in English is far different than what is said in Arabic. Why don't you see the French Documentary about the PLO and how what Arafat & his clan were saying in English was way different than what they said while addressing Arabs & Muslims. Also, 99.9% of all Jews openly and in private object to the JDL. They are not Fundamentalists, they are terrorists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyman1966 Posted December 26 Author Report Share Posted December 26 Originally posted by normalnoises And when Sassa speaks of muslims I validate her statements because she should know far better than you do. I can learn alot from her. You can learn a lot from everone. YOU ARE A DUMBASS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted December 26 Report Share Posted December 26 Originally posted by guyman1966 You can learn a lot from everone. YOU ARE A DUMBASS! Don't get your panties in a twist Guyman. They'll wear like a thong and you'll wind up with a wedgie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted December 26 Report Share Posted December 26 Originally posted by guyman1966 What the Muslim leaders say in English is far different than what is said in Arabic. Why don't you see the French Documentary about the PLO and how what Arafat & his clan were saying in English was way different than what they said while addressing Arabs & Muslims. Also, 99.9% of all Jews openly and in private object to the JDL. They are not Fundamentalists, they are terrorists. Fundimentalism and terrorism mesh together very well so I disagree with you on that but I do agree with you on the fact that almost all Jews oppose the JDL however.What is the name of that French documentary you mentioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamezny1 Posted December 26 Report Share Posted December 26 How can you say both are off base???israel is a democracy it stands for freedom palestine was a controlled by jordan then givin to the israelis in 1947 by england there never was a "palestine" and as far as sharon he is off base he should level the entire palestinian occupation these kids are in school at 4 yearsold are being taught to kill israelis they murder innocent civilians and rewarded there is no room for negotiations Originally posted by brickhouse At this point, both sides are equally off base, and Sharon has been at least as Boneheaded in the 'peace' process as Arafat has. If Sharon is able to maintain control of Israel, I think that might be a good cue to do exactly the opposite and back out of Israel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamezny1 Posted December 26 Report Share Posted December 26 Originally posted by normalnoises Fundimentalism and terrorism mesh together very well so I disagree with you on that but I do agree with you on the fact that almost all Jews oppose the JDL however.What is the name of that French documentary you mentioned? its funny how you describe a conservative lets see bigoted and predjudiced=wasnt it the republican party that abolished slavery????and it was the republican house and senate that passed the civil rights bill in 1968 how many democrats voted against it??? 24!!! senators including AL GORE SR. lets look at bush" cabinet hmm interesting that colin powell secretary of state and condoleeza rice the 2 most powerful positions in his cabinet are african american and guess what they earned it on qualifications not affirmitive action which is a great way to destroy someones character and self esteem you say conservatives are narrow minded! and regressive well look at these points rudy giuliani revolutionized the welfare disaster the liberals created throughout nyc in the late 80"s and early 90"s and then the republican controlled house and senate of 94 passed the bill which your boy clinton signed and reduced welfare recipients in this country by over 60%.How about the crime stat program Rudy revolutionized as well this year the murder rate in nyc is at 600 in 92 it was 2200!!! he did this by keeping it simple go after quality of life crimes and again the whole nation followed and now he is advising mexico city how to do it real regressive huh?? see even in a national crisis the liberals still try to divide by using the race cards and old played out theories that republicans and conservatives are these jesse helms like goons with no intelligence there arrogance is disgusting when describing conservatives. when the bottom line is what we stand for is freedom, lower taxes, less goverment,and do it yourself values never rely on anyone or any goverment to get ahead in life to work your ass off and reap the rewards just remember when you see a hippie liberal selling his edititorial views in magazines or newstands go up to him and say thanks for being an american you produce work charge people to read and reap your profits!! isnt it a great country!!!!your just like me a capitalist!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyman1966 Posted December 26 Author Report Share Posted December 26 Originally posted by normalnoises What is the name of that French documentary you mentioned? "The Trojan Horse" by Pierre Rehov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnice35 Posted December 26 Report Share Posted December 26 Originally posted by normalnoises Sharon must go because he is a racist zionist doing to the Palestinian people what the Nazis did to Jews like himself. Sharon should stay fuck the palestinians and the camel they rode in. Sharon would be doing us all a favor if he rid the world of those parasites, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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