The media ignores the facts about Koran abuse and piles on the Army.

igloo · June 8

Study in Abuse

by John Hinderaker

06/06/2005 11:30:00 AM

WHEN NEWSWEEK REPORTED that a Guantanamo Bay guard had flushed a detainee's Koran down a toilet, the Muslim world erupted in protests, some of which turned violent. Newsweek later retracted the story. More significantly, so did the detainee who made the original allegation--a fact that went largely unreported. Nevertheless, the U.S. military commissioned Brigadier General Jay Hood to look into allegations of Koran mishandling at the Guantanamo facility. General Hood delivered his report on June 3; it can be accessed here. The report, read together with the ensuing press coverage, suggests how far our public discourse has diverged from any realistic understanding of war, prisons, or human behavior.

The Hood report documents an exquisite concern for the religious sensibilities of Guantanamo's detainees. Consider the implications of this incident:

On 18 AUG 03, two detainees complained that the guards had violated the Koran search policy when they touched the surgical masks used to hang detainee Korans from cell walls during a security, safety, and welfare inspection. The incident was recorded in the electronic blotter system. The guards stated in the blotter log that they were not violating Koran search policy because they did not actually touch the Koran when they squeezed and felt for bulges in the surgical masks. The SOP in place at the time of the incident did not address searching the Koran through the masks.

Or this one:

On 5 JAN 03, a translator was called to translate during a search of a cell. The detainee residing

in the cell refused to show his Koran during the search. The guards informed the detainee that if he did not show his Koran they would be forced to search it. The detainee did not comply. The MPs put on clean latex gloves and used a clean towel as they conducted the search. During the search, detainees in nearby cells continuously threw water at the MPs. As the translator departed the cell, the detainee spat on him. The translator recorded the incident in a sworn statement.

Or this:

On 18 AUG 03, at 1220 hours, a guard conducted a routine search of a detainee's cell. During the search, the guard accidentally knocked the detainee's Koran out of its holder (a surgical mask) and onto his bunk. The block NCO responded to the cell and explained to the detainee that the incident was an accident. The ICRC asked MG Miller, Commander JTF-GTMO, about the incident during a meeting on 09 OCT 03. MG Miller told the ICRC that he had investigated the incident and determined it to be an accident. A guard recorded the incident in sworn statement.

There can't be a single instance, in all of human history, where the spiritual sensitivities of captured enemy combatants have been so scrupulously regarded. This is borne out by those few cases where "abuse" was actually found; they are, in the words of the often-puzzling clichÃ©, exceptions that prove the rule. Consider what the apology and disciplinary action taken in this instance tell us about the rarity of such events:

On 25 JUL 03, a contract interrogator apologized to a detainee for stepping on the detainee's Koran in an earlier interrogation. The memorandum of the 25 Jul 03, interrogation session shows that the detainee had reported to other detainees that his Koran had been stepped on. The detainee accepted the apology and agreed to inform other detainees of the apology and ask them to cease disruptive behaviors caused by the incident. The interrogator was later terminated for a pattern of unacceptable behavior, an inability to follow direct guidance and poor leadership. We consider this a confirmed incident.

In one widely-reported incident, several copies of the Koran got wet when guards tossed water balloons into the detainees' compound:

On 15 AUG 03, two detainees complained to the swing shift guards (14002200 hrs) that the detainees' Korans were wet because the night shift guards had thrown water balloons on the block. The swing shift guards recorded the complaints in the block blotter log in accordance with normal procedures. We have not determined if the detainees made further complaints or if the Korans were replaced. There is no evidence that this incident was investigated. There is no evidence that the incident, although clearly inappropriate, caused any type of disturbance on the Block. We consider this a confirmed incident.

The Hood report doesn't explain what led up to the water balloon bombardment, but in the murderous context of Islamist terrorism, it's hard to get exercised about "torture" via water balloons.

The other incident that was widely reported

following the Hood report's issuance involved an unlucky soldier who couldn't wait to relieve himself until he went off duty, and chose an unfortunate spot:

On 25 MAR 05, a detainee complained to the guards that urine came through an air vent in Camp 4, and splashed on him and his Koran while he laid near the air vent. A guard reported to a Block NCOIC that he was at fault. The guard had left his observation area post and went outside to urinate. He urinated near an air vent and the wind blew his urine through the vent into the block. The Sergeant of the Guard (SOG) responded and immediately relieved the guard. The SOG ensured the detainee received a fresh uniform and a new Koran. The Joint Detention Operations Group (JDOG) commander reprimanded the guard and assigned him to gate guard duty where he had no contact with detainees for the remainder of his assignment at JTF-GTMO. This incident was recorded in a series of contemporaneous sworn statements made by Camp 4 guard force members. There is no record that this incident caused any type of disturbance in the block. We consider this a confirmed incident.

Read in its entirety, the Hood report documents an extraordinary level of sensitivity to the detainees' religious concerns. Altogether, the investigators confirmed five instances where intentional or unintentional mishandling of the Koran apparently occurred, and four more where the guards' conduct "may have been inappropriate." This superlative record should be seen as a tribute to the training and discipline of the Army's guards and translators.

The Army did find, however, 15 instances of blatant Koran abuse at Guantanamo. All were committed by detainees. For example:

On 14 MAY 03, a guard observed a detainee rip his Koran into small pieces. The guard recorded the incident contemporaneously in a sworn statement.

On 5 JUN 03, a guard observed two detainees accuse a third detainee of not being a man. In response, the detainee urinated on one of their Korans. The detainees resided in adjacent cells. The event was recorded in FBI FD-302s, on 5 JUN 03 and 19 JUN 03.

On 19 JAN 05, a detainee tore up his Koran and tried to flush it down the toilet. Four guards witnessed the incident and it was recorded in the electronic blotter system.

On 23 JAN 05, a detainee ripped pages out of his Koran and threw them down the toilet. The detainee stated he did so because he wanted to be moved to another camp. Four guards witnessed the incident and it was recorded in the electronic blotter system.

If one were to sum up the Hood report in a headline, it might be: "Army Documents Extraordinary History of Respect for Koran." Or, "No Truth to Claims of Koran Abuse." Or perhaps: "Koran Abuse? Blame the Detainees." But that isn't how the story was played. Here were the headlines in England: "U.S. Admits Koran Abuse at Cuba Base", and "US Admits Guard Soiled Koran at Guantanamo". The London Times, not normally noted for anti-Americanism, led off with this summary:

An American guard at Guantanamo Bay urinated on a copy of the Koran while others kicked, stepped on and soaked copies with water balloons, the Pentagon admitted last night.

In India, the headline was "Guantanamo Guards Guilty".

Reuters' story on the report omitted any mention of the detainees' treatment of the Koran, and began:

The U.S. military for the first time on Friday detailed how jailers at Guantanamo mishandled the Koran, including a case in which a guard's urine splashed onto the Islamic holy book and others in which it was kicked, stepped on and soaked by water.

Anti-Americanism in foreign news coverage is perhaps not surprising. Here at home, however, the slant was not much different. The San Francisco Chronicle, not previously known for its solicitude for things spiritual, headlined: "U.S. Tells How Koran Was Defiled". The Los Angeles Times echoed, "Pentagon: Koran Defiled". Newsday wrote, "Quran Abuses Verified", while ABC headlined, "U.S. Confirms Gitmo Soldier Kicked Quran". Such headlines could be multiplied indefinitely. Many papers dwelt especially on the few drops of urine that inadvertently landed on a Koran, which inevitably prompts the recollection that only 16 years ago, the federal government not only tolerated the immersion of a crucifix in a jar of urine as a work of "art," but actually paid for it.

It seems that the Army--or maybe it's the United States--just can't win. It is almost inconceivable that the Hood report could have been more favorable to the Guantanamo guards and interrogators, yet the international and American press treated it as a confession of wrongdoing, at times with a hint that the Newsweek allegation had proven true after all. Little (frequently, nothing) was made of the fact that it was the Muslim detainees, not American guards or interrogators, who had perpetrated precisely the acts that were the excuse for anti-American riots in the Muslim world.

No matter how virtuous American conduct may be, the many members of the press raise the bar higher, with no regard for the realities of warfare, the inevitable sordidness of prison life, or the frailties of human nature. It is hard to see any purpose in this hypercriticism--no other country, except perhaps Israel, is held to such an extraordinary standard--other than to make it impossible for the United States to detain and interrogate prisoners. Or to fight a war.

destruction · June 8

igloo · June 8

:laugh: :laugh: ....predictable .....crawl back into Jimmy Carter's ass

destruction · June 9

....predictable .....crawl back into Jimmy Carter's ass

:lol3: :lol3:

Pentagon Confirms Koran Incidents

'Mishandling' Cases Preceded Guidelines Established in 2003

By Josh White and Dan Eggen

Washington Post Staff Writers

Friday, May 27, 2005; Page A01

Pentagon officials said yesterday that investigators have identified five incidents of military guards and an interrogator "mishandling" the Koran at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, but characterized the episodes as minor and said most occurred before specific rules on the treatment of Muslim holy items were issued.

Brig. Gen. Jay W. Hood, commander of Joint Task Force Guantanamo, said investigators have looked into 13 specific allegations of Koran desecration at the prison dating to early 2002 and have determined eight of them to be unfounded, lacking credibility or the result of accidental touching of the holy book. Of the five cases of mishandling, three were "very likely" deliberate and two were "very likely accidental," he said. But Hood declined to provide details, citing an ongoing investigation.

Hood's comments marked the first time the Pentagon has confirmed mistreatment of the Muslim book at Guantanamo Bay. Captives and some military personnel there have made claims of Koran desecration, but in a statement last week, Pentagon spokesman Lawrence T. Di Rita said the Defense Department had received no credible claims of such abuse. Nevertheless, he said, officials were reviewing the allegations.

Hood took pains to specifically deny a now-retracted report in Newsweek magazine's May 9 issue that said officials had confirmed a detainee's claim that a guard had flushed a Koran down a toilet. The White House, the Pentagon and others have linked that report to riots overseas that left 16 people dead.

The news conference came a day after the American Civil Liberties Union released summaries of memos from FBI agents at Guantanamo Bay that reported detainee allegations of Koran desecration. Hood played down the mistreatment as a vestige of Guantanamo Bay's early days and said it occurred without any systemic frequency.

He said most of the 13 cases involved accidental or inadvertent touching of the Koran by guards and interrogators -- such as someone bumping into the holy book, or one case in which an interrogator stacked two Korans on a television set.

The five confirmed cases of Koran mishandling involved four guards and one interrogator, Hood said. Six other "resolved" cases involved guards, and two involved interrogators, he said.

Hood said a soldier was reassigned after one recent accidental mishandling of the Koran, and another soldier faced an unspecified disciplinary action for an incident some time ago.

He added that there were also 15 cases in which detainees mishandled the Koran, including one who purposefully ripped pages out of his own book.

"I want to assure you that we are committed to respecting the cultural dignity of the Koran and the detainees' practice of faith," Hood said. "Every effort has been made to provide religious articles associated with the Islamic faith, accommodate prayers and religious periods, and provide culturally acceptable meals and practices."

Pentagon officials said investigators did not look into the claim that a Koran had been flushed down a toilet before the Newsweek article was published. While looking into the desecration claims after protests erupted overseas, investigators re-interviewed a detainee who had told FBI agents in July 2002 that guards had put a Koran in a toilet.

That interview, on May 14, with a prisoner the Pentagon identified this week as "an enemy combatant," led investigators to believe that the claim lacked credibility. The detainee said that he "wasn't beaten or abused, but that he had heard rumors that other detainees were," Hood said.

"We then proceeded to ask him about any incidences where he had seen the Koran defiled, desecrated or mishandled, and he allowed as how he hadn't, but he had heard . . . that guards at some other point in time had done this," Hood said yesterday. "He went on to describe to his interrogator that that was a problem that was only in the old camp."

Hood said "old camp" appeared to mean Camp X-Ray, the temporary cells where captives were held when Guantanamo Bay opened in January 2002. But he acknowledged that interrogators did not specifically ask the detainee this month whether a toilet had been involved, nor did they refer to the original statement the detainee gave to the FBI nearly three years ago.

Hood emphasized that most of the confirmed incidents occurred before standard procedures were put in place in January 2003 for proper handling of the Koran. A broader investigation by the U.S. Southern Command into allegations of abuse and mistreatment contained in memos written by FBI personnel stationed at Guantanamo Bay is continuing. Hood and Di Rita declined to address the larger probe.

According to U.S. Southern Command documents, officials at Guantanamo Bay were aware of the importance of the proper handling of the Koran in the facility's very first days. Responding to concerns from the International Committee of the Red Cross in January 2002, command officials wrote that they needed to make sure that detainees were allowed time to pray and that they were given appropriate ways to store their Korans.

The "Koran must be kept neat and wrapped in something," according to a memo dated Jan. 21, 2002. "Can we get them a small green cloth to wrap it?"

The FBI documents released Wednesday by the ACLU contained summaries of a dozen interviews in which detainees said they had witnessed or heard about mistreatment of the Koran by guards or interrogators.

They also included new allegations of severe physical abuse of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay and in Afghanistan.

The FBI records provide at least one example in which a detainee may have lied about mistreatment of the Koran. According to a summary of an interview with one prisoner, an uprising in July 2002 had started with a claim by another detainee that a guard had dropped a Koran.

"In actuality," the summary says, "the detainee dropped the Koran and then blamed the guard. Many other detainees reacted to this claim and this initiated the uprising."

The FBI documents do not indicate whether this version of events is accurate, although Pentagon officials have recounted a similar-sounding incident. FBI officials have declined to comment.

The ACLU also released more FBI documents yesterday, including a memo indicating that military interrogators posed as officials from the FBI and State Department while questioning detainees at Guantanamo Bay.

One memo, from November 2003, refers to "DOD interrogators at Guantanamo representing themselves to be officials of the FBI and U.S. State Department." A previously released version of the same document had revealed the FBI impersonations, but the reference to the State Department had been redacted.

State Department spokesman Richard A. Boucher told reporters yesterday that he was unaware of the impersonation allegations. Another spokesman said the department does not employ interrogators or take part in interviews at Guantanamo Bay.

Another newly released document, dated January 2004, suggested that the FBI would "finally make an arrest" in connection with "interrogations in June 2003 when an FBI agent was impersonated." No such arrest has been publicly announced.

In several e-mails, FBI agents angrily complained about the impersonations and suggested that the ruse was aimed in part at avoiding blame for any subsequent public allegations of abuse.

The earlier documents also included e-mails from FBI agents who said they had witnessed Guantanamo Bay detainees being shackled to the floor for days at a time, deprived of food and water and left to defecate on themselves.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/26/AR2005052601220.htm

....predictable .....keep swinging on Bush's left nut.

igloo · June 9

:lol3:
Pentagon Confirms Koran Incidents
'Mishandling' Cases Preceded Guidelines Established in 2003
By Josh White and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, May 27, 2005; Page A01
Pentagon officials said yesterday that investigators have identified five incidents of military guards and an interrogator "mishandling" the Koran at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, but characterized the episodes as minor and said most occurred before specific rules on the treatment of Muslim holy items were issued.
Brig. Gen. Jay W. Hood, commander of Joint Task Force Guantanamo, said investigators have looked into 13 specific allegations of Koran desecration at the prison dating to early 2002 and have determined eight of them to be unfounded, lacking credibility or the result of accidental touching of the holy book. Of the five cases of mishandling, three were "very likely" deliberate and two were "very likely accidental," he said. But Hood declined to provide details, citing an ongoing investigation.
Hood's comments marked the first time the Pentagon has confirmed mistreatment of the Muslim book at Guantanamo Bay. Captives and some military personnel there have made claims of Koran desecration, but in a statement last week, Pentagon spokesman Lawrence T. Di Rita said the Defense Department had received no credible claims of such abuse. Nevertheless, he said, officials were reviewing the allegations.
Hood took pains to specifically deny a now-retracted report in Newsweek magazine's May 9 issue that said officials had confirmed a detainee's claim that a guard had flushed a Koran down a toilet. The White House, the Pentagon and others have linked that report to riots overseas that left 16 people dead.
The news conference came a day after the American Civil Liberties Union released summaries of memos from FBI agents at Guantanamo Bay that reported detainee allegations of Koran desecration. Hood played down the mistreatment as a vestige of Guantanamo Bay's early days and said it occurred without any systemic frequency.
He said most of the 13 cases involved accidental or inadvertent touching of the Koran by guards and interrogators -- such as someone bumping into the holy book, or one case in which an interrogator stacked two Korans on a television set.
The five confirmed cases of Koran mishandling involved four guards and one interrogator, Hood said. Six other "resolved" cases involved guards, and two involved interrogators, he said.
Hood said a soldier was reassigned after one recent accidental mishandling of the Koran, and another soldier faced an unspecified disciplinary action for an incident some time ago.
He added that there were also 15 cases in which detainees mishandled the Koran, including one who purposefully ripped pages out of his own book.
"I want to assure you that we are committed to respecting the cultural dignity of the Koran and the detainees' practice of faith," Hood said. "Every effort has been made to provide religious articles associated with the Islamic faith, accommodate prayers and religious periods, and provide culturally acceptable meals and practices."
Pentagon officials said investigators did not look into the claim that a Koran had been flushed down a toilet before the Newsweek article was published. While looking into the desecration claims after protests erupted overseas, investigators re-interviewed a detainee who had told FBI agents in July 2002 that guards had put a Koran in a toilet.
That interview, on May 14, with a prisoner the Pentagon identified this week as "an enemy combatant," led investigators to believe that the claim lacked credibility. The detainee said that he "wasn't beaten or abused, but that he had heard rumors that other detainees were," Hood said.
"We then proceeded to ask him about any incidences where he had seen the Koran defiled, desecrated or mishandled, and he allowed as how he hadn't, but he had heard . . . that guards at some other point in time had done this," Hood said yesterday. "He went on to describe to his interrogator that that was a problem that was only in the old camp."
Hood said "old camp" appeared to mean Camp X-Ray, the temporary cells where captives were held when Guantanamo Bay opened in January 2002. But he acknowledged that interrogators did not specifically ask the detainee this month whether a toilet had been involved, nor did they refer to the original statement the detainee gave to the FBI nearly three years ago.
Hood emphasized that most of the confirmed incidents occurred before standard procedures were put in place in January 2003 for proper handling of the Koran. A broader investigation by the U.S. Southern Command into allegations of abuse and mistreatment contained in memos written by FBI personnel stationed at Guantanamo Bay is continuing. Hood and Di Rita declined to address the larger probe.
According to U.S. Southern Command documents, officials at Guantanamo Bay were aware of the importance of the proper handling of the Koran in the facility's very first days. Responding to concerns from the International Committee of the Red Cross in January 2002, command officials wrote that they needed to make sure that detainees were allowed time to pray and that they were given appropriate ways to store their Korans.
The "Koran must be kept neat and wrapped in something," according to a memo dated Jan. 21, 2002. "Can we get them a small green cloth to wrap it?"
The FBI documents released Wednesday by the ACLU contained summaries of a dozen interviews in which detainees said they had witnessed or heard about mistreatment of the Koran by guards or interrogators.
They also included new allegations of severe physical abuse of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay and in Afghanistan.
The FBI records provide at least one example in which a detainee may have lied about mistreatment of the Koran. According to a summary of an interview with one prisoner, an uprising in July 2002 had started with a claim by another detainee that a guard had dropped a Koran.
"In actuality," the summary says, "the detainee dropped the Koran and then blamed the guard. Many other detainees reacted to this claim and this initiated the uprising."
The FBI documents do not indicate whether this version of events is accurate, although Pentagon officials have recounted a similar-sounding incident. FBI officials have declined to comment.
The ACLU also released more FBI documents yesterday, including a memo indicating that military interrogators posed as officials from the FBI and State Department while questioning detainees at Guantanamo Bay.
One memo, from November 2003, refers to "DOD interrogators at Guantanamo representing themselves to be officials of the FBI and U.S. State Department." A previously released version of the same document had revealed the FBI impersonations, but the reference to the State Department had been redacted.
State Department spokesman Richard A. Boucher told reporters yesterday that he was unaware of the impersonation allegations. Another spokesman said the department does not employ interrogators or take part in interviews at Guantanamo Bay.
Another newly released document, dated January 2004, suggested that the FBI would "finally make an arrest" in connection with "interrogations in June 2003 when an FBI agent was impersonated." No such arrest has been publicly announced.
In several e-mails, FBI agents angrily complained about the impersonations and suggested that the ruse was aimed in part at avoiding blame for any subsequent public allegations of abuse.
The earlier documents also included e-mails from FBI agents who said they had witnessed Guantanamo Bay detainees being shackled to the floor for days at a time, deprived of food and water and left to defecate on themselves.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/26/AR2005052601220.htm
....predictable .....keep swinging on Bush's left nut.

Good job posting this shitstain......maybe now you will spend some time actually reading it versus the bullshit you normally post.......what a fucking absolute fucking moron you are....................

Let me cut out a few "minor" points that you may want to focus on when you take a breath from your little anti-Bush, anti-military, anti-American, disgraceful moral equivalency crusade............

but characterized the episodes as minor .......

most occurred before specific rules on the treatment of Muslim holy items were issued.

13 specific allegations of Koran desecration at the prison dating to early 2002 and have determined eight of them to be unfounded....................

eight of them to be unfounded, lacking credibility or the result of accidental touching of the holy book. Of the five cases of mishandling, three were "very likely" deliberate and two were "very likely accidental,............WOW--over tens of thousands of interogatioins conducted, and only "13" allegations......bad U.S., bad!

one case in which an interrogator stacked two Korans on a television set........Holy shit lefties, ALCU, and Amnesty--storm Gitmo!...........

15 cases in which detainees mishandled the Koran, including one who purposefully ripped pages out of his own book...................detainees actually descrating the Koran????? detainees? Now, Muslims extremist detainees would never do that.......they would rather blow up a mosque, or kill a Muslim cleric for being anti-Taliban or anti-Zarqawi, or behead a journalist......

most of the confirmed incidents occurred before standard procedures were put in place in January 2003 for proper handling of the Koran..........Get it schmuckboy....do you understand.........shit happens, it gets exposed, and it gets fixed........Get the meaning of that yet? .....maybe you would instead of taking the minority and representing it as the majority jerkoff..........

You are the same jerkoff who is quick to point out that "not all Muslims are terrorists" and we should not view all Muslims based on the actions of a few, yet readily and happily do not apply the same when it comes to your own country......jerkoff....

But, Thanks for posting this and clearing some facts up douchebag...

BTW--you may want to be thankful that some of these stateless terrorists, who git three squares a day, a clean cell, a Koran, an arrow on the floor pointing to Mecca, and Koran holder, and medical care are being held, since they routinely tell interogators and guards how much they are going to enjoy their "careers" if they get out.......sort of like 12 of the released detainees so far (oops, that is just the minority of the released detainees---don't want to use a broad brush now do I)...

You are just another clueless blowhard

destruction · June 9

Good job posting this shitstain......maybe now you will spend some time actually reading it versus the bullshit you normally post.......what a fucking absolute fucking moron you are....................
Let me cut out a few "minor" points that you may want to focus on when you take a breath from your little anti-Bush, anti-military, anti-American, disgraceful moral equivalency crusade............
but characterized the episodes as minor .......
most occurred before specific rules on the treatment of Muslim holy items were issued.
13 specific allegations of Koran desecration at the prison dating to early 2002 and have determined eight of them to be unfounded....................
eight of them to be unfounded, lacking credibility or the result of accidental touching of the holy book. Of the five cases of mishandling, three were "very likely" deliberate and two were "very likely accidental,............WOW--over tens of thousands of interogatioins conducted, and only "13" allegations......bad U.S., bad!
one case in which an interrogator stacked two Korans on a television set........Holy shit lefties, ALCU, and Amnesty--storm Gitmo!...........
15 cases in which detainees mishandled the Koran, including one who purposefully ripped pages out of his own book...................detainees actually descrating the Koran????? detainees? Now, Muslims extremist detainees would never do that.......they would rather blow up a mosque, or kill a Muslim cleric for being anti-Taliban or anti-Zarqawi, or behead a journalist......
most of the confirmed incidents occurred before standard procedures were put in place in January 2003 for proper handling of the Koran..........Get it schmuckboy....do you understand.........shit happens, it gets exposed, and it gets fixed........Get the meaning of that yet? .....maybe you would instead of taking the minority and representing it as the majority jerkoff..........
You are the same jerkoff who is quick to point out that "not all Muslims are terrorists" and we should not view all Muslims based on the actions of a few, yet readily and happily do not apply the same when it comes to your own country......jerkoff....
But, Thanks for posting this and clearing some facts up douchebag...
BTW--you may want to be thankful that some of these stateless terrorists, who git three squares a day, a clean cell, a Koran, an arrow on the floor pointing to Mecca, and Koran holder, and medical care are being held, since they routinely tell interogators and guards how much they are going to enjoy their "careers" if they get out.......sort of like 12 of the released detainees so far (oops, that is just the minority of the released detainees---don't want to use a broad brush now do I)...
You are just another clueless blowhard

Translation:

I am a retarded America Hating mongoloid and I must leave this country since I hate it so much.

Admitting you hate this country Igloo? How dare you??

Fucking uneducated troll.

igloo · June 9

Translation:
Admitting you hate this country Igloo? How dare you??
Fucking uneducated troll.

wow...good answer....hope you didn't strain yourself coming up with that one.....I love when little turds that drop out of Michael Moore's ass like yourself get exposed for the blowhards that you are...

Your shit got pushed back up your ass, deal with it....or move to the next subject that you are clueless about....so your shit can get stuffed right back up your ass again....it is really the only thing you blowhards are good at....

New name--use of the word troll......hmmmmmmm

destruction · June 9

Translation:

I admit it. I hate America. That's why I regurgitate anti-American right wing propaganda from the canal of my rotting cunt (daily) because I hate this country so much.

Anyone who advocates torture like you do hate this country. Get out!

Well, for your information cock smoker, Bush is considering closing down Gitmo:

I think how much the abuses have been exposed (such as your anti-americanism has been exposed) there has made gitmo a liability to him:

http://bbs.clubplanet.com/showthread.php?t=273015

But I know the true reason behind it. Those secret prisons hmmmmm????

igloo · June 9

Translation:
Anyone who advocates torture like you do hate this country. Get out!
Well, for your information cock smoker, Bush is considering closing down Gitmo:
I think how much the abuses have been exposed (such as your anti-americanism has been exposed) there has made gitmo a liability to him:
http://bbs.clubplanet.com/showthread.php?t=273015
But I know the true reason behind it. Those secret prisons hmmmmm????

OK mursa,...I mean destruction....you win, I hate America and advocate torture :rolleyes: ...........with that said, will that stop the blabbering idiocy that drips from your vagina?

In the meantime, go to your local library, where I am sure you can get someone to read, and explain, reality to you....I can't promise you would understand, based on the fact that you are an imbecile, but it is worth a try

Stupid jerkoff

bigpoppanils · June 9

is this foreplay for you two or am I missing something here?

destruction · June 10

OK mursa,...I mean destruction....you win, I hate America and advocate torture ...........with that said, will that stop the blabbering idiocy that drips from your vagina?

:lol3:

And what about this Igloo person. Is there something I need to know about him/her (or "shim")?

http://bbs.clubplanet.com/showthread.php?p=2745425#post2745425

Assclown. Mental midget. Social reject. Monkeyfucking, cunt-lipped, cock smoking half-a-fag. You are as dumb as I predicted.

First, get a grip on yourself. Your cock most preferably.

Second, repeat to yourself, "he is not Mursa, he is not Mursa...." (squeezing it in synch with the chant).

By the end of your session and after the reality finally settles in, you'll come to understand you're nothing more than a moronic jack-booted nazi cunt with a "BUSH IS GOD" poster tacked to the wall with semen stains on Bush's lips.

Predictable. The usual hume (Brit's last name reminds me of puking) that comes from the "little turds" that fall from Bush's anal canal like yourself.

In the meantime, go to your local library, where I am sure you can get someone to read, and explain, reality to you....I can't promise you would understand, based on the fact that you are an imbecile, but it is worth a try.

Translation:

I just got an offer from the people of "Queer Eye" to go on their reality tv show to get a make-over, a pedicure and a facial!

Good for you. *cookie*.

Stupid jerkoff

I know you are but what am I? :tongue:

igloo · June 10

http://bbs.clubplanet.com/showthread.php?p=2745425#post2745425
Assclown. Mental midget. Social reject. Monkeyfucking, cunt-lipped, cock smoking half-a-fag. You are as dumb as I predicted.
First, get a grip on yourself. Your cock most preferably.
Second, repeat to yourself, "he is not Mursa, he is not Mursa...." (squeezing it in synch with the chant).
By the end of your session and after the reality finally settles in, you'll come to understand you're nothing more than a moronic jack-booted nazi cunt with a "BUSH IS GOD" poster tacked to the wall with semen stains on Bush's lips.
Predictable. The usual hume (Brit's last name reminds me of puking) that comes from the "little turds" that fall from Bush's anal canal like yourself.
Translation:
Good for you. *cookie*.
I know you are but what am I?

Thanks for the entertaining post....the insults were relatively well done......but do you have something against being gay?.....not nice

Anyway, your blabbamercial was a nice try to deflect attention form the fact that you got a fucking ass kicking on this thread.....a complete ass kicking......and the best part about it, is that you backed up your stupidity, ignorance, and bias by posting an article that supported the fact that you are a moronic, clueless imbecile ........

Hurry, quick--go find a another article written by a fellow schmuck, blind leftie

, and then when you get exposed, post another article that refutes it with facts, yet you don't even realize it headline boy.... :laugh:

Good job jerkoff

italia23 · June 10

a Liberal calling someone a "cock-smoking half-a-fag"? lol

And Destruction, why do you have that Abu-Ghraib picture as your avatar?

destruction · June 10

Thanks for the entertaining post....the insults were relatively well done......but do you have something against being gay?.....not nice

Oh no no no... Nothing against being gay. I think your name is gay. That's why I called you a half a fag.

Anyway, your blabbamercial was a nice try to deflect attention form the fact that you got a fucking ass kicking on this thread.....a complete ass kicking......and the best part about it, is that you backed up your stupidity, ignorance, and bias by posting an article that supported the fact that you are a moronic, clueless imbecile ........

Translation:

I have not an arguement I can defend. You are right once again.

Hurry, quick--go find a another article written by a fellow schmuck, blind leftie
, and then when you get exposed, post another article that refutes it with facts, yet you don't even realize it headline boy....

Sure....

here's an article that was produced by a schmuck, blind 'leftie'... :laugh:

FOX NEWS

Inquiry Finds Five Cases of Koran 'Mishandling' at Gitmo

Thursday, May 26, 2005

WASHINGTON â€” U.S. officials have substantiated five cases in which military guards or interrogators mishandled the Koran of Muslim prisoners at Guantanamo Bay (search) but found "no credible evidence" to confirm a prisoner's report that a holy book was flushed in a toilet, the prison's commander said Thursday.

Brig. Gen. Jay W. Hood (search), who commands the detention center in Cuba, told a Pentagon news conference that a prisoner who was reported to have complained to an FBI agent in 2002 that a military guard threw a Koran in the toilet has told Hood's investigators that he never witnessed any form of Koran (search) desecration.

The unidentified prisoner, re-interviewed at Guantanamo on May 14, said he had heard talk of guards mishandling religious articles but did not witness any such acts, Hood said. The prisoner also stated that he personally had not been mistreated but that he heard fellow inmates talk of being beaten or otherwise mistreated.

The general said he could not speculate on why the prisoner did not repeat his earlier statement about a guard flushing a Koran in a toilet. The statement was contained in an Aug. 1, 2002, FBI summary of an FBI agent's July 22, 2002, interrogation of the prisoner. A partly redacted version of the summary was made public this week.

The prisoner did not specifically recant his earlier allegation, since Hood said the prisoner was not asked in the May 14 interview whether he had made the specific statement in 2002 as reported by the FBI. Instead he was asked more broadly whether he had seen the Koran "defiled, desecrated or mishandled."

"He allowed as how he hadn't, but he heard that guards at some other point in time had done this," Hood said, adding that this allegation from the 2002 FBI report was the only one Hood found that involved a toilet.

"I'd like you to know that we have found no credible evidence that a member of the Joint Task Force at Guantanamo Bay ever flushed a Koran down a toilet," Hood said. "We did identify 13 incidents of alleged mishandling of the Koran by Joint Task Force personnel. Ten of those were by a guard and three by interrogators."

Of the 13 alleged incidents, five were substantiated, he said. Four were by guards and one was by an interrogator. Hood said the five cases "could be broadly defined as mishandling" of the holy book, but he refused to discuss details.

In three of the five cases, the mishandling appears to have been deliberate. In the other two, it apparently was accidental.

"None of these five incidents was a result of a failure to follow standard operating procedures in place at the time the incident occurred," Hood said. Later, he said there was no written version of a standard operating procedure during the first year prisoners were held at Guantanamo.

Allegations of Koran abuse have stirred worldwide controversy. After Newsweek magazine reported earlier this month that U.S. officials had confirmed a Koran was flushed in a toilet, deadly demonstrations were held in Afghanistan, although it is not clear what role that story played in sparking the violence. Newsweek later retracted its report.

Lawrence Di Rita, spokesman for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, said at the news conference with Hood that at this point it should be clear that any mishandling of the Koran was largely inadvertent.

"I think it's safe to say that the policies and procedures down there are extraordinarily careful, and they're â€” as I said â€” policies that we've released, and people can judge for themselves. But I think people will see that the atmosphere down there is one of great respect for the practice of faith by detainees," he said.

In an indication of the Pentagon's eagerness to discredit the allegation, Hood briefed reporters on the interim findings of his investigation even though the Pentagon's standard practice is to withhold comment on the progress of any official investigation until it has been completed. Hood did not say how much longer his inquiry would last. Earlier Thursday, he was Capitol Hill to brief members of Congress on this.

Eight of the 13 alleged incidents of Koran mishandling that Hood has looked into were not substantiated. Six involved guards who either accidentally touched a Koran or "touched it within the scope of his duties" or did not touch it at all. "We consider each of these incidents resolved," Hood said.

The other two cases in which the allegation was not substantiated involved interrogators who either touched or "stood over" a Koran during an interrogation, Hood said. In one case not deemed to be mishandling, an interrogator placed two Korans on a television. In the other case, which Hood did not describe fully, a Koran was not touched and Hood said the interrogator's unspecified "action" was accidental.

"We've also identified 15 incidents where detainees mishandled or inappropriately treated the Koran, one of which was, of course, the specific example of a detainee who ripped pages out of their own Koran," he said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,157809,00.html

Good job jerkoff

Thankies.

bigpoppanils · June 10

this thread is done.

destruction · June 10

this thread is done.

Igloo is done. My name is destruction for this reason. The destruction of igloo.

destruction · June 10