Our Troops Must Stay - BY JOE LIEBERMAN

[drlogic]

AT WAR

Our Troops Must Stay

America can't abandon 27 million Iraqis to 10,000 terrorists.

BY JOE LIEBERMAN

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:01 a.m.

I have just returned from my fourth trip to Iraq in the past 17 months and can report real progress there. More work needs to be done, of course, but the Iraqi people are in reach of a watershed transformation from the primitive, killing tyranny of Saddam to modern, self-governing, self-securing nationhood--unless the great American military that has given them and us this unexpected opportunity is prematurely withdrawn.

Progress is visible and practical. In the Kurdish North, there is continuing security and growing prosperity. The primarily Shiite South remains largely free of terrorism, receives much more electric power and other public services than it did under Saddam, and is experiencing greater economic activity. The Sunni triangle, geographically defined by Baghdad to the east, Tikrit to the north and Ramadi to the west, is where most of the terrorist enemy attacks occur. And yet here, too, there is progress.

There are many more cars on the streets, satellite television dishes on the roofs, and literally millions more cell phones in Iraqi hands than before. All of that says the Iraqi economy is growing. And Sunni candidates are actively campaigning for seats in the National Assembly. People are working their way toward a functioning society and economy in the midst of a very brutal, inhumane, sustained terrorist war against the civilian population and the Iraqi and American military there to protect it.

It is a war between 27 million and 10,000; 27 million Iraqis who want to live lives of freedom, opportunity and prosperity and roughly 10,000 terrorists who are either Saddam revanchists, Iraqi Islamic extremists or al Qaeda foreign fighters who know their wretched causes will be set back if Iraq becomes free and modern. The terrorists are intent on stopping this by instigating a civil war to produce the chaos that will allow Iraq to replace Afghanistan as the base for their fanatical war-making. We are fighting on the side of the 27 million because the outcome of this war is critically important to the security and freedom of America. If the terrorists win, they will be emboldened to strike us directly again and to further undermine the growing stability and progress in the Middle East, which has long been a major American national and economic security priority.

Before going to Iraq last week, I visited Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Israel has been the only genuine democracy in the region, but it is now getting some welcome company from the Iraqis and Palestinians who are in the midst of robust national legislative election campaigns, the Lebanese who have risen up in proud self-determination after the Hariri assassination to eject their Syrian occupiers (the Syrian- and Iranian-backed Hezbollah militias should be next), and the Kuwaitis, Egyptians and Saudis who have taken steps to open up their governments more broadly to their people. In my meeting with the thoughtful prime minister of Iraq, Ibrahim al-Jaafari, he declared with justifiable pride that his country now has the most open, democratic political system in the Arab world. He is right.

In the face of terrorist threats and escalating violence, eight million Iraqis voted for their interim national government in January, almost 10 million participated in the referendum on their new constitution in October, and even more than that are expected to vote in the elections for a full-term government on Dec. 15. Every time the 27 million Iraqis have been given the chance since Saddam was overthrown, they have voted for self-government and hope over the violence and hatred the 10,000 terrorists offer them. Most encouraging has been the behavior of the Sunni community, which, when disappointed by the proposed constitution, registered to vote and went to the polls instead of taking up arms and going to the streets. Last week, I was thrilled to see a vigorous political campaign, and a large number of independent television stations and newspapers covering it.

None of these remarkable changes would have happened without the coalition forces led by the U.S. And, I am convinced, almost all of the progress in Iraq and throughout the Middle East will be lost if those forces are withdrawn faster than the Iraqi military is capable of securing the country.

The leaders of Iraq's duly elected government understand this, and they asked me for reassurance about America's commitment. The question is whether the American people and enough of their representatives in Congress from both parties understand this. I am disappointed by Democrats who are more focused on how President Bush took America into the war in Iraq almost three years ago, and by Republicans who are more worried about whether the war will bring them down in next November's elections, than they are concerned about how we continue the progress in Iraq in the months and years ahead.

Here is an ironic finding I brought back from Iraq. While U.S. public opinion polls show serious declines in support for the war and increasing pessimism about how it will end, polls conducted by Iraqis for Iraqi universities show increasing optimism. Two-thirds say they are better off than they were under Saddam, and a resounding 82% are confident their lives in Iraq will be better a year from now than they are today. What a colossal mistake it would be for America's bipartisan political leadership to choose this moment in history to lose its will and, in the famous phrase, to seize defeat from the jaws of the coming victory.

The leaders of America's military and diplomatic forces in Iraq, Gen. George Casey and Ambassador Zal Khalilzad, have a clear and compelling vision of our mission there. It is to create the environment in which Iraqi democracy, security and prosperity can take hold and the Iraqis themselves can defend their political progress against those 10,000 terrorists who would take it from them.

Does America have a good plan for doing this, a strategy for victory in Iraq? Yes we do. And it is important to make it clear to the American people that the plan has not remained stubbornly still but has changed over the years. Mistakes, some of them big, were made after Saddam was removed, and no one who supports the war should hesitate to admit that; but we have learned from those mistakes and, in characteristic American fashion, from what has worked and not worked on the ground. The administration's recent use of the banner "clear, hold and build" accurately describes the strategy as I saw it being implemented last week.

We are now embedding a core of coalition forces in every Iraqi fighting unit, which makes each unit more effective and acts as a multiplier of our forces. Progress in "clearing" and "holding" is being made. The Sixth Infantry Division of the Iraqi Security Forces now controls and polices more than one-third of Baghdad on its own. Coalition and Iraqi forces have together cleared the previously terrorist-controlled cities of Fallujah, Mosul and Tal Afar, and most of the border with Syria. Those areas are now being "held" secure by the Iraqi military themselves. Iraqi and coalition forces are jointly carrying out a mission to clear Ramadi, now the most dangerous city in Al-Anbar province at the west end of the Sunni Triangle.

Nationwide, American military leaders estimate that about one-third of the approximately 100,000 members of the Iraqi military are able to "lead the fight" themselves with logistical support from the U.S., and that that number should double by next year. If that happens, American military forces could begin a drawdown in numbers proportional to the increasing self-sufficiency of the Iraqi forces in 2006. If all goes well, I believe we can have a much smaller American military presence there by the end of 2006 or in 2007, but it is also likely that our presence will need to be significant in Iraq or nearby for years to come.

The economic reconstruction of Iraq has gone slower than it should have, and too much money has been wasted or stolen. Ambassador Khalilzad is now implementing reform that has worked in Afghanistan--Provincial Reconstruction Teams, composed of American economic and political experts, working in partnership in each of Iraq's 18 provinces with its elected leadership, civil service and the private sector. That is the "build" part of the "clear, hold and build" strategy, and so is the work American and international teams are doing to professionalize national and provincial governmental agencies in Iraq.

These are new ideas that are working and changing the reality on the ground, which is undoubtedly why the Iraqi people are optimistic about their future--and why the American people should be, too.

I cannot say enough about the U.S. Army and Marines who are carrying most of the fight for us in Iraq. They are courageous, smart, effective, innovative, very honorable and very proud. After a Thanksgiving meal with a great group of Marines at Camp Fallujah in western Iraq, I asked their commander whether the morale of his troops had been hurt by the growing public dissent in America over the war in Iraq. His answer was insightful, instructive and inspirational: "I would guess that if the opposition and division at home go on a lot longer and get a lot deeper it might have some effect, but, Senator, my Marines are motivated by their devotion to each other and the cause, not by political debates."

Thank you, General. That is a powerful, needed message for the rest of America and its political leadership at this critical moment in our nation's history. Semper Fi.

Mr. Lieberman is a Democratic senator from Connecticut.

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[drlogic]

Gutsy Joe Lieberman Makes Iraq Case

November 29, 2005

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: Let's go to the audio sound bites. Joe Lieberman, great, great piece today in the Wall Street Journal, saying we have to stay in Iraq; we cannot pull out. The man has got guts. This position is what doomed his chances in the Democratic primaries in 2004. He never had a prayer. He was the first Democrat voted out in the in the whole primary process. He's written this piece today. When I saw, this I said, "Hmm, I wonder if he'll be paraded all over television the next two days like John Murtha was? I wonder if they'll go talk to Lieberman as though he's some kind of a seer, some kind of a truth-teller." By the way, the Murtha business, anybody wonder like I do about the timing of that? Whatever it was he said, "We've gotta get out of there. We can't win." The timing of this, three weeks before the December 15th elections, that's what suspicious about Murtha doing this to me. But nevertheless that's a sidetrack issue for now. Lieberman did get invited to CNN today, the American Morning show. Soledad O'Brien interviewed him. He's bucking his party and he's making sense on Iraq, and she said, "You've made four visits to Iraq over the last 18 months. You sound encouraged upon your return. Why?" you idiot? She didn't say that, but you can imagine it's in her heart

LIEBERMAN: Well, I did see progress. It's not perfect, obviously, but I saw progress economically, militarily, and politically. I mean, some of the kind of practical common interest stuff that I saw was just more cars on the streets in Baghdad and the other cities I was in, almost every roof seems to have a satellite dish. The economy is beginning to move. Politically there's a full-fledged campaign going on in Iraq now for the national assembly elections in December, and there's an independent -- a large number of independent televisions and newspapers covering it. Militarily, the Iraqis are beginning to show much more self-sufficiency. They're a long way from being able to take it on their own and that's why we have to be careful not to withdraw too soon, but progress really is being made.

RUSH: She says then, "So that's the category of progress? Some people would put in a list of things that are not going well, security, not only for US soldiers but for the Iraqi people, too."

LIEBERMAN: Look, this is a war, and the more I go back there, the more I see it as a war between 27 million Iraqis -- that's their -- just about their total population -- who really want to live a better, freer, safer life, who feel liberated to be rid of Saddam Hussein, and 10,000 terrorists who are prepared to blow themselves up and to go at -- to go at the Iraqi people and American and Iraqi military, who are trying to protect the Iraqi people. Why do they do it? Because they want to establish a center, a base in Iraq to replace the one we took from them in Afghanistan. They don't want Iraq to be free and modern, because it sets back the terrorist's retched causes. If they should win there which is to say to get us out about the country is stable, I think it will have disastrous effects not only on Iraq and the Middle East but on American security.

RUSH: All right, now, this is key, because what he says here, "Look it, we've got 27 million versus 10,000, and we're siding with the wrong people," meaning his party. His party siding with the wrong people. These 10,000 insurgents versus 27 million people who want a different life. One thing he is really right on the money about here is these terrorists are trying to keep Iraq as a stateless regime. Remember the history of bin Laden. Bin Laden only went to places that were stateless. He went to Somalia, a bunch of warlords, he could control them. Somalia. Afghanistan. All stateless. Taliban took over in Afghanistan. Al-Qaeda was running Somalia. Still may be. The Sudan is Al-Qaeda. But we kicked them out of Afghanistan. If we lose Iraq they're just going to go in and make Iraq the new Afghanistan. He's exactly right about that. But he's really gutsy, I think, because he's bucking his own party, he's standing up to his own party, standing up to Jack Murtha, standing up to the media, standing up to all the left out there and basically giving them the facts, and giving them reason and logic, and they don't want to hear it because they're invested in defeat. Lieberman is talking victory and these people don't connect with that. It's not in their lexicon. O'Brien says, "Well, here's what you wrote in the Wall Street Journal op-ed, runs today. It said, 'Almost all of the progress in Iraq and throughout the Middle East will be lost if these forces are withdrawn faster than the Iraqi military is capable of securing the country.' I think you sum up in that line, which is when?"

LIEBERMAN: Right. And the "when" cannot be set by us here in Congress or anybody in the White House or the executive branch on a kind of mechanical basis. The "when" has to be determined by conditions on the ground. And the basic question is, "When are the Iraqi security forces able to protect their country and fight these 10,000 terrorists on behalf of all the people of Iraq so we can begin to leave?" I see improvement. I think one of the most important things I saw on this trip, Soledad, is that the policy of the United States is following and our allies in Iraq has not remained stagnant, it's changed.

RUSH: Imagine that! We have a Democrat senator who goes over there; he's doing a better job of explaining what's going over there than the administration is, but more than that one Democrat senator goes over there and tells an entirely different story than what we've been getting day in and day out from the leftist media. Progress. It's not stagnant. We are changing and we are adapting. James Q. Wilson, political scientist, sociologist, brilliant man, had a piece recently in OpinionJournal.com. His piece was basically, President Bush, if I were you and this is the speech I were to give in Iraq, this is what it would be and he wrote that speech, and it starts out, basically says: Forget about who's lying about this or that, talk about the fact that we're winning, give details about how we're winning and how it's going, how we're going to continue to win. Now, Bush has made it plain we're not going to accept defeat but here Lieberman has just summed up -- in three sound bites -- summed up what's happening in Iraq in a far more positive, accurate way, than I've heard from anybody, at least in political circles.

END TRANSCRIPT

Read the Background Material...

(WSJ: America can't abandon 27 million Iraqis to 10,000 terrorists - Joe Liberman)

(WSJ: The speech President Bush should give about Iraq - James Q. Wilson)

[Felix_Leiter]

i used to really dislike this guy..

but that essay was pure class

[drlogic]

He gets it.

I may disagree w/ his domestic agenda, but as far as the this war on terror, specifically, the importance of this war in Iraq, HE GET'S IT!

I agree on the class part! He's never been one of these opportunist democratic politirixta' like the Nancy Pelosi's, Hillary Clinton's and Chuck Schumer's of the world.

[Felix_Leiter]

He gets it.

I may disagree w/ his domestic agenda, but as far as the this war on terror, specifically, the importance of this war in Iraq, HE GET'S IT!

I agree on the class part! He's never been one of these opportunist democratic politirixta' like the Nancy Pelosi's, Hillary Clinton's and Chuck Schumer's of the world.

i dont understand how anyone cant get it..

i honestly think people pretend to be intelligent by going against this war and its like a "cool" way to think or something..

[obby]

i dont understand how anyone cant get it..

i honestly think people pretend to be intelligent by going against this war and its like a "cool" way to think or something..

I do. They think more with their hearts than with their heads. There is a time for each. IMO

[drlogic]

Wednesday, Nov. 30, 2005 11:28 a.m. EST

Dems Keep Carping Despite Troop Morale Poll

Democratic Senators who say they support the troops continue to undermine their mission with harsh attacks on the Iraq war - even after a poll released over the weekend showed that more than two-thirds of Americans believe they're hurting troop morale.

"What's happening [in Iraq] is not working; it's a disaster," Sen. Barbara Boxer complained Tuesday - oblivious to the damage her comments would do. "Right now, there's an endless war," she declared.

Reacting to President Bush's Iraq war speech Wednesday morning, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid griped that all he heard was the "recycled [and] tired rhetoric of ‘stay the course.’

"Simply staying the course is no longer an option, we must change the course. We can do better," Reid groused.

Hours earlier, Sen. Hillary Clinton complained that she was tricked into voting to authorize the Iraq war when the White House gave her "false" intelligence on Saddam's weapons of mass destruction.

"Based on the information that we have today, Congress never would have been asked to give the President authority to use force against Iraq," she chided.

The anti-war showboating by top Democrats continues despite the findings of an RT Strategies poll released over the weekend, which showed that 70 percent of Americans believe that Iraq war criticism by Democratic Senators is hurting troop morale.

A full 44 percent said the Senatorial complainers had hurt the troops "a lot."

Even self-identified Democrats agreed that their Senators were damaging the war effort, with 55 percent saying their criticism hurts the troops - and just 21 percent saying it helps.

[igloo]

i dont understand how anyone cant get it..

i honestly think people pretend to be intelligent by going against this war and its like a "cool" way to think or something..

Exactly....for those with minimal intelligence,, they think it is "tendy" to be antiwar and join the Ciindy Sheehan-Michael Moore flock.....then there are those who wear anti-Bush blinders, who root for him to fail, irrespective of the damage it does to this country.......there are those who are simply antiwar or anti-military, no matter what...they are just clueless........and shamefully, there is the political opportunists, who dispicably put their own hides above what is best for this country and our soldiers........

And sadly, there are those who offer true dissent and true patriotism in the hope of making a better situation who get drowned out from the above.........

[destruction]

I do. They think more with their hearts than with their heads. There is a time for each. IMO

you think with your cock so what's your excuse?

[destruction]

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[destruction]

Exactly....for those with minimal intelligence,, they think it is "tendy" to be antiwar and join the Ciindy Sheehan-Michael Moore flock.....then there are those who wear anti-Bush blinders, who root for him to fail, irrespective of the damage it does to this country.......there are those who are simply antiwar or anti-military, no matter what...they are just clueless........and shamefully, there is the political opportunists, who dispicably put their own hides above what is best for this country and our soldiers........

And sadly, there are those who offer true dissent and true patriotism in the hope of making a better situation who get drowned out from the above.........

Freedom of speech does those strange kind of things. Scary, isn't it, Billy?

[igloo]

Freedom of speech does those strange kind of things. Scary, isn't it, Billy?

Yeah, allows useless, moronic jerkoffs like you to have a platform in any form to vomit idiotic, senseless bullshit irrespective of the fact that you are a social defect with no redeeming qualities who needs to be institutionalized and prevented from ever reproducing.............

[drlogic]

Freedom of speech does those strange kind of things. Scary, isn't it, Billy?

Let me break it down for you Scooter,

Your dumb ass and all those who share your warped logic, enjoy the freedoms and opportunity this country has to offer in spite of yourselves.

Get it?

Got it?

Good!

[kramadas]

Good article man.

Pulling troops out now would be a disaster!

[bigpoppanils]

Good article man.

Pulling troops out now would be a disaster!

seriously.

don't people realize that pulling out early doesnt really work? our forces should be used to help protect the new iraqi government as it thrusts deeper into the fight with the insurgency.

[drlogic]

The assumption by the critics that our troops are somehow poor little, itty bitty sitting ducks is ABSURD!

My co-worker has his nephew there and this morning, he gave me 3 recent letters sent by his nephew for me to read. The letters talk alot about being sick of MRE's and requesting instant MAC & CHEESE. It talks about being real busy as of late w/ plenty of "GAME" to shoot. He's a 21 yr. old Marine Sniper. He talks about being real pissed about a spike in activity and injury/death of fellow soldiers. He talks about the motivation which that gives him to kill as much "GAME" as he can and brags about the rapidy increasing number of "kills" he's accumulating.

He's proud of the fact that he's killing enemy terrorists who are trying to kill them and inoccent Iraqi's. He talks about missing home and dreading the night patrol he's scheduled to go out on. Not because he's scared, but because he'll have to eat MRE's. He takes pride in his skill as a sniper and continues to refer to the enemy as "GAME" (which I find fucking hillarious!).

That's exactly the attitude one needs to have over there and I couldn't be prouder of the guy! Our boys and girls are kick'n ass over there!

Unfortunately, liberal pussies try to use "civilian" logic to interpret military circumstances. BIG MISTAKE, HUGE! That makes the liberal perspective on this war flawed @ the root. In short, they just don't get it!

[igloo]

How about Howard Dean and is once-again despicable mouth----The DEMS were nuts to let this guy run their party....

[drlogic]

How about Howard Dean and is once-again despicable mouth----The DEMS were nuts to let this guy run their party....

ain't dat da' troof!

fo-shizzle!

Nuts! Whacked! Mental!

Koo-koo-4-coco-puffs!

Politically, it's great for the the republican party! Keep talk'n Howie! Keep babbling incoherently John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi! Keep up the great work! Just like I told destruction, all of these idiots who are obviously invested in the defeat of America, enjoy the freedom to spew their garbage in spite of themselves and at the sacrifice/s of our military.

These morons are just all over the place. "I voted for, before I voted against", "I made a mistake in my vote for the war but I support the troops"???? HUH???? NIGGAH WUT? NIGGAH WHO? HUH????

Sadly, it reflects the trbl w/ today's democratic party. No core! No principles! No vision! No courage! No plan! How anyone takes them seriously is beyond comprehension. If they REALLY lived by these standards of wanting INSTANT SUCCESS, they would have given up on gov't Welfare and Education a long, long time ago. But no, on those issues they want to be judged on their intentions, not the pathetic results of their failed programs. For Bush and conservatives, they want INSTANT SUCCESS and are just giddy to claim failure, defeat and way too eager to retreat for the sole purpose of having a campaign issue which they hope will acquire more power for their side!

You say you support the troops? Sure you do?

With friends like that, who needs enemies? I know, I know, how dare me question your patriotism. You're the gold standard. NOT!

[destruction]

Shut the fuck up and go assrape your daughter like a good neocon ass monkey.

Dean is going to be the NEW house speaker in '07 and you WILL rally behind him as ALL AMERICANS MUST rally behind him.

STOP BASHING AMERICA SCUMBAG!

Would you send your kids off to war since you love war for the hell of it?

[drlogic]

Shut the fuck up and go assrape your daughter like a good neocon ass monkey.

Dean is going to be the NEW house speaker in '07 and you WILL rally behind him as ALL AMERICANS MUST rally behind him.

STOP BASHING AMERICA SCUMBAG!

Would you send your kids off to war since you love war for the hell of it?

I really wish I could run into you one day. Ya' know, just to say "hi". Let's meet and do lunch.

[eccentricmofo]

I really wish I could run into you one day. Ya' know, just to say "hi". Let's meet and do lunch.

If I can come... I'll even pay for lunch.

I dont know though... even though I like everything from sushi to rice and beans... I have this gut feeling that eating alive a liberal pussy... may taste a bit sour.

So I may end up just chewing him up and spitting him out.

phew.. that felt good.

In other news...

I loved that article, really did.

and with what you said doc...

"Unfortunately, liberal pussies try to use "civilian" logic to interpret military circumstances. BIG MISTAKE, HUGE! That makes the liberal perspective on this war flawed @ the root. In short, they just don't get it!"

So true.

Its as if the entire oppositional standpoint is based on a fucking star trek-like dream world. People fighting and stubbornly reaching for a foolishly ignorant perfect world. Where as there is always food, piece among everyone... hell even in the goof ball show there is war. ha.

and no .. Im not a treky.. just making a stupid reference.

But the world isnt perfect.. and some people will never wake up to that reality and just bitch and moan about such as opposed to taking the initiative.

Fuck... Im not even asking for that... its not like anyone is asking for everyone to up and join our brothers in arms..

Very simply... this would be nice..

You are going to hold your own views..and opinions... so be it.. its your right as an AMERICAN...

But when I decide to step up and fight for a freedom that I believe in... YOUR freedom included...

SHUT THE FUCK UP... and let me do my job.. ya know.

Its bad enough that your hypocrital about wanted freedom yet not fighting for it... but your BITching about how one must go abouts to get it.

Jesus...

Destruction... For the record... I dont hate you..

Hate is a powerful word.. and I reserve that for bad guys... who attacked the city that I love... and for rapists and anyone that upsets my mother..lol.

But I do hate your views...

Not because they are seeking peace.... etc.. but because they are naive and not well thought out...

But thats not your fault...

Its all about what information you are privied to .. and I cant help it if its soley some asshole written blogs and corrupt news stations...

But... Ill tell you this.. and I mean this with incredible sincerity...

If you came down to bragg, nc for a weekend... I will open your eyes..

and no.. not by giving you an introduction to the dance... "airborne stomp" which I may have mentioned before.

Seriously.. and politely I would have your mind changed by monday... and even it wasnt... Id be ok with that..

But really.. Id give up my entire weekend.. just to open up one person's eyes.. Even with my work schedule being so psycho...

it would be worth it..

What do you think...? We could call it... Road trip to enlightment? Or ooh ooh... better yet..

Liberal..... liberation tour....

hehe.

I must go and play ARmy now..

Have an Airborne day!

[igloo]

Shut the fuck up and go assrape your daughter like a good neocon ass monkey.

Dean is going to be the NEW house speaker in '07 and you WILL rally behind him as ALL AMERICANS MUST rally behind him.

STOP BASHING AMERICA SCUMBAG!

Would you send your kids off to war since you love war for the hell of it?

Misfit--seriously go get some mental help......

[bigpoppanils]

Shut the fuck up and go assrape your daughter like a good neocon ass monkey.

congratulations! you're a moron.

[igloo]

congratulations! you're a moron.

In the spirit of the Holiday season, I agree with bigpoops

[destruction]

congratulations! you're a moron.

Congratulations, you're a repulsive cunt.

that's right. collaborate with the enemy.

closet neocon.

Go suck on Raver's cock, faggot.