WAG THE DOG! CNN broadcasts lies on America!

[midiman]

I wonder how many people here will be cheering when the U.S. bombs whoever they plan to bomb and innocent people are killed. Is it really any different?

And regarding the news...if you really knew what went on in the middle east, you would be horrified. Innocent people are dying in Iraq in bombings as well as due to starvation because of the embargos. The U.S. created Sadam Hussein by funding him against Iran. They got involved strictly for oil and screwed the Iraqis who by the way in addition to the rest of the Middle East hate Sadam. To the people who did this, they do not see a difference between terrorism and attacks by a govenment. The same thing that is fueling our rage to bomb them is what led them to this. Bombs "made in the USA" have killed their family, homes etc... And this rage has been manipulated by bin Laden to seek revenge. Everyone is asking who and how but we must look at why or this cycle will continue to manifest itself.

I am not justiufying anything and am not saying that the U.S. deserved this.,....no one does. Violence does not solve anything....but I am saying that we as a people need to educate ourselves and take a close look at what is going on in the world. Don't just believe everything you hear and see coming from western media. A lie repeated enough times will soon be taken as the truth if no other view is presented. Just look a recent look at history shows us that we are repeating the same mistakes man has committed many times. There are no winners in wars these days. World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.

[Guest saleen351]

Originally posted by midiman

I wonder how many people here will be cheering when the U.S. bombs whoever they plan to bomb and innocent people are killed. Is it really any different?

And regarding the news...if you really knew what went on in the middle east, you would be horrified. Innocent people are dying in Iraq in bombings as well as due to starvation because of the embargos. The U.S. created Sadam Hussein by funding him against Iran. They got involved strictly for oil and screwed the Iraqis who by the way in addition to the rest of the Middle East hate Sadam. To the people who did this, they do not see a difference between terrorism and attacks by a govenment. The same thing that is fueling our rage to bomb them is what led them to this. Bombs "made in the USA" have killed their family, homes etc... And this rage has been manipulated by bin Laden to seek revenge. Everyone is asking who and how but we must look at why or this cycle will continue to manifest itself.

I am not justiufying anything and am not saying that the U.S. deserved this.,....no one does. Violence does not solve anything....but I am saying that we as a people need to educate ourselves and take a close look at what is going on in the world. Don't just believe everything you hear and see coming from western media. A lie repeated enough times will soon be taken as the truth if no other view is presented. Just look a recent look at history shows us that we are repeating the same mistakes man has committed many times. There are no winners in wars these days. World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.

One day reality will hit you...

One violence does solve a lot of things...

Japan

Germany

you remeber those two small wars??????????????????

Also it was reported by the UN the the Kurds in Iraq are the most missing ppl on earth, they can find 100,00 of them that sadam killed...That is why we put in place the no fly zone for more ppl won't die!!!!!!!!!!!

[mugwump]

An endless debate..

And a sad reflection on all the hatred in the world.

You all have strong points..

and I posted this article up to make people think.

There are also pictures on an other message board of people protesting and donating blood in the middle east.

The point is this..

there are HUMANS on each end of this war..

The governments tell the people what they feel the people need to hear..

This isn"t a conspiracy it is a FACT!

The fact that this footage from CNN is a FALSE impression of actual events on the streets puts many things to question.

For Example..Why did they choose those images over the anti war protests directly AFTER the attack on the Towers?

Questioning these events does not make you ANTI-AMERICAN.

It makes you aware that EVERYONE is a puppet in this war of hatred..

The U.S will strike..

as they have done so in the past..

but among the casualties there will be many familes that will loose loved ones..

Those families will grow to hate the US even more and so on and so on..

Violence WILL grow more Violence..

This is exactly what they want..

to grow more hatred in their land to justify more attacks.

We are entering the never ending cycle of hate.

I hope it dosen't consume all of you..

peace~

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[goldenman]

:blown: :blown:

[perfecto25]

ENOUGH!!! the past week is nerve wrecking enough, guys, thats it no more bashing each other, i am stopping right here, no matter what anyone says. lets appreciate the fact that we have a chance to engage in a debate, no matter how verbally vicious and inconclusive, it doesnt involve guns and blood. god bless america. now we will all parttake in smoking the hydroponic peace pipe . theres more madness in the days ahead, lets cool off, before we melt from this fire of hate.

[go411]

FUCK FUCK FUCK.. all this bullshit!!! the gorverment is the reason why those poor people died and now they're trying to look like heroes sending people to bomb afghanistan... It's sick how they mind fuck us and how oblivious we are to all this!!! but, no one stands up to them.. we prefer to do drugs and party instead or buy clothes and be part of this fucked up bubble we live in... WHEN IS IT GONNA STOP??? WHEN ARE WE THE PEOPLE GONNA STAND UP FOR OUR RIGHTS? DO YOU THINK ALL THIS IS FAIR TO US?

let meeee stop bashing the gorverment or they might come after me now... SORRY GUYS BUT I'M JUST FED UP WIT THE BULLSHIT LIES BEING TOLD...

[monical]

I can't believe what I'm hearing. If these people have such problems with our policies move out of the country then.

We are a democratic society, that vote in our leaders, so whatever they do, are representing the majority of us.

Please stop with this anti - us, anti - government stuff. It's because of our government, that you are living under the freedom that you have today

[go411]

NOT anti american.... I LOVE AMERICA U KIDDING BUT, BUSH HEHEHE............ I DON'T THINK SO>>> I'm not that blind ....

[kramadas]

Hey, its every American's right to question the policies of the government - thats what makes a free society. And it would also be wise to THINK carefully (aka REASON) about what the media and govt feeds us. Its always a good idea to read what the newspapers in other countries have to say (and NO that does not just mean UK, or Western papers). One of the most objective papers I've read (UK) is the Guardian...

www.guardian.co.uk.

If you scroll down to the bottom, there is a little section that tells you what newspapers in the West AND the east is reporting.

[dgmodel]

Originally posted by lavendermenace

Oh my god I'm sooooo surprised!

You mean WE, the American people, are being manipulated by the media and the government??? Say it aint so!!! You mean to tell me that propaganda is being used on us in order to get us to support our war-crazed, intellectually stunted, bomb-happy president and his hidden agenda??? Demonizing an entire people through media images in order to make it OK to kill them---geeez- thats a new tactic...

Those who forget history are doomed to.... well you know.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

LMAO!!! :laugh:

[igloo]

I have an idea- STFU all of you. It is painfully obvious most of you do not have a clue what the fuck you are talking about with your baseless statements and misguided comments.

Stick to talking about clubland, and pretending you are experts on that subject. I mean, after all, you listen to Sasha & Digweed so you all must be experts on World Affairs.

And spare me the bullshit about expressing your opinions- some of you are downright disgraceful in your commentary, and clearly should think before you speak (write).

And mugz- I know you are more intelligent than this- getting the CP tribe of imbeciles to respond to a thread like this wasn't the best of ideas

[kramadas]

Originally posted by igloo

I have an idea- STFU all of you. It is painfully obvious most of you do not have a clue what the fuck you are talking about with your baseless statements and misguided comments.

Stick to talking about clubland, and pretending you are experts on that subject. I mean, after all, you listen to Sasha & Digweed so you all must be experts on World Affairs.

And spare me the bullshit about expressing your opinions- some of you are downright disgraceful in your commentary, and clearly should think before you speak (write).

And mugz- I know you are more intelligent than this- getting the CP tribe of imbeciles to respond to a thread like this wasn't the best of ideas

Well, FUCK YOU too..who they FUCK are you to tell me to shut up??? Just because I choose to THINK about what the fuck is happening, instead of the majority who MINDLESSLY call for revenge for something they don't know the fuck about!

[igloo]

Originally posted by raver_mania

Well, FUCK YOU too..who they FUCK are you to tell me to shut up??? Just because I choose to THINK about what the fuck is happening, instead of the majority who MINDLESSLY call for revenge for something they don't know the fuck about!

I completely stand by my comments, and wouldn't waste my time debating with an idiot like yourself who is trying to be more intelligent than you are.

[bigpoppanils]

Originally posted by igloo

I have an idea- STFU all of you. It is painfully obvious most of you do not have a clue what the fuck you are talking about with your baseless statements and misguided comments.

Stick to talking about clubland, and pretending you are experts on that subject. I mean, after all, you listen to Sasha & Digweed so you all must be experts on World Affairs.

And spare me the bullshit about expressing your opinions- some of you are downright disgraceful in your commentary, and clearly should think before you speak (write).

And mugz- I know you are more intelligent than this- getting the CP tribe of imbeciles to respond to a thread like this wasn't the best of ideas

:laugh:

youre a fucking asshole! :laugh:

so i guess that means that you know more about clubland and world politics than we do, yet it seems that you also claim that people who know about clubland dont know a thing about world politics. please pick a side?

[igloo]

Originally posted by bigpoppanils

:laugh:

youre a fucking asshole! :laugh:

so i guess that means that you know more about clubland and world politics than we do, yet it seems that you also claim that people who know about clubland dont know a thing about world politics. please pick a side?

Nice statement- you are also another candidate for the University of Morons

[go411]

IGLO YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT ..... AND FYI NOT EVERYONE EATS, SHITS AND DRINKS CLUBS U MORON!! LET MEE TELL YOU A STORY ABOUT MY SECOND COUNTRY CHILE ... IT WAS SEPT 11, 1973 WHEN THE CHILEAN MILITARY TROOPS BOMB AND KILLED SALVADOR ALLENDE SOCIALIST PRESIDENT AT THE TIME. AFTER THE BOMBING CHILE LIVED UNDER MILITARY GOVERNMENT UNTIL 1988 ...THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WERE KILLED AND DISSAPEARED.. AND NEVER FOUND AGAIN. GUESS WHO GAVE THE CHILEAN MILITARY MONEY TO DO ALL THIS???? THE USA... U MORON IT WAS THE US GOVERMENT BEHIND IT THE WHOLE TIME ALL BECAUSE THEY FEARED THAT THE PRESIDENT AT THE TIME WOULD ALLIED WITH FIDEL CASTRO... IT WAS NIXON(REPUBLICAN) AND THE CIA WHO CAUSED INDERECT PAIN TO MANY CHILEANS... NOW U THINK I VOTED REPUBLICAN? THIS IS WHY I HAVE THE MY VIEWS ABOUT THIS REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT AND ALWAYS WILL... I FELT THE SAFEST WITH BILL CLINTON IN POWER THEN I HAVE IN YEARS.....

GO DO SOME RESEARCH YOU JERK BEFORE U GO INSULTING PEOPLE FOR GIVING THEIR OPINIONS ......

PS: NOW I HAVE TO REMEMBER SEPT 11TH FOR BOTH COUNTRIES

[igloo]

Originally posted by go411

GO DO SOME RESEARCH YOU JERK BEFORE U GO INSULTING PEOPLE FOR GIVING THEIR OPINIONS ......

PS: NOW I HAVE TO REMEMBER SEPT 11TH FOR BOTH COUNTRIES

Everybody has opinions- unfortunately not everyone has the same intelligence level or working from the same data. And when you form opinions based on half-baked information or Oliver Stone conspiracy threories, you do a dishonor to to many.

[bigpoppanils]

to add to go411's statement, bin ladin was on the CIA payroll until about 10 years ago. Bin Laden and hios men received money, weapons, and military training to counter soviet influence in afghanistan

the us did the same for another terrorist group called Hamas, i'm sure youve heard of them too

igloo, i must say thank you. when people degrade me that way, i get so turned on! oh igloo, give it to me! abuse me more!

eeep...houston we got a problem. i think its cabin fever setting in

[nightgroover]

Yo Igloo guess what I am an expert on foreign politics compared to you and on what goes on in this world!

Unfortunately you do not seem to be, so shut the fuck up.

:D :D

[bigpoppanils]

oh and my dear igloo...the government has seized all tapes of the celebrating palestinians in the west bank....hmm...i wonder why?

[gothzane]

Originally posted by igloo

Everybody has opinions- unfortunately not everyone has the same intelligence level or working from the same data.

Each have our own perspectives.

Each have gathered parts and pieces of information

True or not...

We have our pain we have our grief.

Sadly no one can see it from our eyes or from our minds.

Unless we share what we know to our best ability.

Degrading your fellow is a waste.

Hate growns into pain...pain to hate.

The cycle which never dies.

The burden of it can be found with unconditional love.

A difficult task....but an atainable one.

Just have patience..another difficult task

But if we all support each other through these times

well all come out of it stronger better people.

[crobra]

igloo - why are you insulting people you don't even know. You do not know everyone's level of education or knowledge on the subject. You are categorizing people just because of the music they listen to or where they go on a Friday/ Saturday night. That seems like a very ignorant thing to do. You can argue your point and get it across a little better by showing people a little more respect.

[georgeacasta2]

Igloo, your a condescending, self righteous moron! Please act high and mighty on another messageboard. Your making baseless generalizations about a deverse group of people that you don't even know! Your on my ignore list.

[bigpoppanils]

oh know i rmember this guy

i came across him abusing bigart a couple of weeks ago

he's an assholio-lio-lio-lio! he's an asshole-lio-lio-lio!