midiman

both these demos rock!!!!

ahh yeah...let's not forget Paolo Mojo and Native Theory!

sorry mr ruler but that's not "mr. b". He has moved on and put this silly escapade behind him...perhaps you should as well...

also, why is it so hard for you to people to believe that Sharon could have ordered a massacre at Jenin. Are you not familiar with what he did in Lebanon in 1982. The massacres in Sabra and Shatilla where thousands of civilian Palestinians were butchered. If not, take a look at the pictures....if you can stomach it. Mind you they are very graphic. There will be no peace with both Sharon and Arafat in office. BOth must go. Sharon is a butcher, Arafat is an idiot. http://www.geocities.com/shatila1982/masspictures.html

Mind you, these figures were taken BEFORE Jenin This information was found on B'TSlemen: The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories Fatalities in the al-Aqsa Intifada,: 29 Sept. 2000-9 April 2002 Please note: As of March 31st, 2002, the information provided concerning casualties in the Occupied Territories is only partial, due to difficulties in obtaining information. The figures on casualties within Israel are complete. B'Tselem will continue to update the figures as further information is obtained. Clarifications 877 Palestinian civilians were killed by Israeli security forces' gunfire in the Occupied Territories, of whom 199 were minors under the age of 18. Ages of the minors killed: Forty One minors were age 17, Thirty Three were age 16, Thirty Seven were age 15, Thirty were age 14, Twenty One were age 13, Eight were age 12 ,Seven were age 11, Seven were age 10, Three were age 9, Five were age 8, Two were age 7, One was age 6, One was age 5, One was age 4, One was age 3, and One was a four month old baby girl. At least 64 of the civilians killed were extrajudicially executed by Israel. In the course of these assasinations 14 additional civilians were killed. 232 Palestinian security forces personnel were killed by Israeli security forces' gunfire, including One minor age 17. One of them was extrajudicially executed by Israel and Three were killed during assasinationss of Palestinian civilians. 17 Palestinian civilians were killed by Israeli civilians, including One Two month- old baby girl. Five foreign Citizens were killed by Israeli security forces gunfire. 113 Israeli civilians were killed by Palestinians, 13 of them were minors under the age of 17: Two were aged 17, Three were age 16, Four were age 14, One was age 13, One was age 11, One was a 10 month-old baby girl and One was a 5 month-old baby boy. At least Six of them were allegedly killed by persons affiliated with the pna Five foreign citizens were killed by Palestinian civilians. 85 members of the Israeli security forces were killed by Palestinian civilians. Eight members of the Israeli security forces were killed by Palestinian security forces gunfire. At least 34 Palestinian civilians were killed by Palestinians due to suspicion of collobarting with israel. Some of them had Israeli citizenship. Two of them were executed by the Palestinian authority and Four were killed by Palestinian security forces. Three Palestinian civilians were killed by Palestinian civilians after being convicted in the murder of a Palestinian security officer who had killed Palestinians suspected of collaboration with Israel. One 12 year old boy was killed by armed palestinians during a confrontation with palestinian civilians who were trying to prevent them from shooting at Idf posts Eleven Palestinian civilians, Three of them minors, were killed by Palestinians security forces in circumstances unrelated to suspicion of collaborating with israel . Within Israel 22 Palestinian civilians, residents of the Occupied Territories, were killed by Israeli security forces gunfire. One of those killed was a minor aged 14. Six members of the Palestinian security forces were killed by Israeli security forces gunfire. 170 Israeli civilians were killed by Palestinians, residents of the Occupied Territories. 39 of them were minors under the age of 18. Of them: Six were age 17, Seven were age 16, Ten were age 15, Five were age 14, One was age 13, One was age 12, One was age 10, One was age 8, One was age 7, One was age 4, One was age 3, One was a two years old baby, One was a Eighteen month old baby, One was a nine month old baby, and One was a seven month old baby. Ten of the Israeli civilians were killed by members of the Palestinian security forces. Seven foreign citizens were killed by Palestinian civilians. One of them was a minor, age 16. 32 members of the Israeli security forces were killed by Palestinian civilians residents of the Occupied Territories.One of them was killed by a member of the Palestinian security forces.

it was a massacre....why can't Israeli supporters ever admit that Israeli is doing evil things. People who support Palestine are against bombings yet Israeli supporters support everything Shron does claiming it is "necessary". Was this necessary?

The picture speaks for itself !?! (warning...this image may be disturbing to some)

That's not enough? OK!! Now they have to strip him to make sure he doesn't really have any bombs on him. AS we can see he is almost naked on the floor, (at least they had the decency to keep his underwear on), he is obviously overpowerd and unarmed, there is no sign of a bomb or any resistant. So what would a democratic country such as Isreal, a county which claims to respect human digintiy and life do??? Take him to prison??

They have him on the floor still, and they try to question a second Plastinian on the scence. They seem to have definitly overpowerd him and have full control over the suitation.

Then they pin Moh'd on the floor suspecting he had bombs attached to him. Still nothing out of the ordinary?

You want to see pictures that speak a thousand words about what is going on in Palestine right now? First they arrest Moh'd Saleh, a Plastinian aged 23. So far nothing is wrong with the picture!!

Australian for bump

This weekend will be breakalicious! 2 of the sickest breaks producers in Australia will be at the Pseudo loft this Saturday. If you like breaks, you do not want to miss this party...trust me. Phil plays the meanest breaks around and is an absolute wizard on the FX units. Industry heads will be there to check out this special event. Aussie breaks is where it's at. to get in free, vist www.nativetheory.com or send an email to guestlist@nativetheory.com

10 hour set..... I'm definitely hitting up the free loft party first and then hitting Howells at 5. I want to get my drink on and get another chance to see Phil K spin. Saturday is looking to be a great night for New York. If anyone wants to hit the loft up for some drinks pre Howells, PM me and we'll meet up.

So who's up for getting down in the loft tonight?

Oh yeah, this party looks HOT. Can't wait for this one...

I emplore you to go and live in the west bank for a week. Misery loves company. I would love to see how you feel then.

there we go back to that word.....never fails. I am in fact a semite so try something else. I have nothing against an Israeli state. A withdrawal from the occupied lands will end this. Arabs know that Israel isn't going anywhere. I just love it when you disagree with Israel's actions, you are labelled an anti-Semite.

No, just give back the illegally occupied land and have your precious little Israeli state. It is as simple as that.

Never Again huh...Never Forget? The irony is simply amazing. The one group of people who I wouldn't expect this type of behavior from. How quickly people forget history and repeat the mistakes of the past. Abused children become abusive parents.

Actually I got most of my information for that post from the Haa'retz (An ISRAELI NEWSPAPER). http://www.haaretzdaily.com/

They have....the majority of the people living in Jordan are Palestinian. Why should they have to though. They have a home and that's where they want to live. There is something called tradition and pride. That is their land and that is where they want to live. The surrounding Arab countries also don't have the means right now besides maybe Sausi Arabia to take in that many people. You forget that the United States has cripp;led the middle east with all its sanctions on Iraq and Libya. Nobody can trade, nobody can use the oil, there is no work, people are starving, economies are at a standstill. Things are tough enough in those countries as it is. But you don't care about that do you. All you care about is yourself. I guess all those years of being persecuted really taught you how to do it well. Kind of like the abused child who grows up to be come the abuser. This is a waste of my time. I just hope this thing get resolved in a peaceful manner soon. thank you for your time.

Israeli's shoot U.N. Ambulence Driver UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan appealed to the Israeli government Thursday to investigate the killing of a U.N. staff member by Israeli soldiers. The staff member, a guard for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, or UNRWA, was en route to a West Bank refugee camp when the U.N. ambulance in which he was riding was hit by Israeli gunfire. "This tragedy serves as a graphic reminder of the need for the parties to respect humanitarian law and provide security for all civilians, including the staff of international and non-governmental organizations active in the region," Annan said in a written statement. The Israel Defense Forces said it had seen the report about the incident, but had no immediate comment about it. The guard, identified as Kamal Hamdan, 40, is the first U.N. staff member to be killed in the occupied territories since the current intifada began in September 2000, the U.N. said. Hamdan had worked for UNRWA for 15 years and leaves behind his wife and five children, the agency said. It said Israeli soldiers fired several bullets at the "clearly marked, well-lit U.N. ambulance that also had a U.N. flag mounted on it." Hamdan died from a single gunshot that struck him in the back and penetrated his heart, killing him instantly. The guard and a U.N. medical team were returning from a hospital after transporting a wounded resident from the Tulkarem camp in the northern West Bank, UNRWA said. The resident died en route to the hospital after an Israeli armored vehicle and tank stopped the ambulance at the camp entrance and detained it for about 20 minutes, the agency said. The UNRWA has been in operation since 1950, created to take care of the roughly 3.8 million Palestinian refugees in the occupied territories and neighboring countries. Israeli Soldier Refuse to Serve based on immoral commands Published on Tuesday, January 29, 2002 in the International Herald Tribune 60 Israeli Veterans Refuse to Serve Petition by Reservists Condemns West Bank and Gaza Occupation by Lee Hockstader JERUSALEM - More than 60 Israeli Army reservists, half officers and all of them combat veterans, have publicly refused to continue serving in the West Bank and Gaza Strip on the ground that Israeli occupation forces there are abusing and humiliating Palestinians. "We will no longer fight beyond the Green Line for the purpose of occupying, deporting, destroying, blockading, killing, starving and humiliating an entire people," declared the petition signed by the reservists and published in Israel's best-selling daily newspaper, Yedioth Ahronoth. Over the years there have been instances of eligible Israelis declining to serve in the army at all, or refusing to serve in certain places for reasons of conscience or politics. What makes the current case unusual is that so many combat reservists, both soldiers and officers, have come forward publicly at one time. Moreover, the organizers of the petition, a pair of reserve lieutenants in their 20s who have served previous stints in the Israeli-occupied territories, say their goal is to collect 500 signatures and launch a broad social campaign. "We all have limits," Reserve Lieutenant David Zonshein, 28, a software engineer and one of the two men who drafted the petition, told Yedioth. He said that although "you can be the best officer," suddenly, "you are asked to do things that should not be asked of you, to shoot people, to stop ambulances, to destroy houses in which you don't know if there are people living." Lieutenant Zonshein, who wrote the petition with Reserve Lieutenant Yaniv Itzkovich, 26, a university teaching assistant, declined to speak with foreign correspondents. But along with several other signatories of the petition, they told Yedioth about incidents in which Israeli troops had opened fire on Palestinian children and other civilians who posed no apparent danger to their lives. In a statement, the Israeli Army said: "To serve in the Israeli Defense Forces is obligatory under the law and there is no place for reserve soldiers to choose what jobs they want and what jobs they don't want. The writers of the petition don't represent the soldiers and officers of the reserve who understand their mission and are working days and nights toward the security of the state of Israel and peace for its citizens." Most Israeli men are required to serve as army reservists until they are 45 years old, typically spending a few weeks to a month or more each year away from their families and civilian jobs. Raanan Gissin, spokesman for Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, acknowledged that allegations of abuse by the army do happen and should be investigated, but he dismissed the petition and refusals to serve in the army as a "marginal phenomenon." The petition "undermines the basic tenet of Israeli democracy," he said. "You can't have a government in which people can decide" they will bomb "this target but not that target. You abide by the rule of the majority and the majority has decided this is the government and this is its policy." Since the current Palestinian armed uprising erupted in September 2000, more than 500 Israelis have refused to serve in the Israeli occupied territories, including pacifists and veterans, recruits and reservists, according to such objectors. Of that number, about 40 have been sentenced to prison terms that are generally brief, including 12 reserve officers. Others have been ignored or given army jobs inside Israel. Ram Rahat, 45, a former combat soldier who refused to serve during Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982, said the current refusals mirror patterns that emerged in previous conflicts. He said it showed that people who have gone through army reserve duty "a couple of times, going through the territories and seeing the reality of what's going on there, are starting to get fed up with it." Mr. Rahat, an accountant, added, "It's exactly what happened in the first intifada as well. As more and more people did reserve duty and came back for their second and third tours, there were more and more cases of refusal." more rescue workers shot amongst others 18 Palestinians killed in IDF raids; army in Tul Karm By Jalal Bana, Amos Harel and Amira Hass, Ha'aretz Correspondents, and agencies Smoke rising above Gaza City following IDF strikes Thursday morning. (Photo: Reuters) IDF troops preparing for the Tul Karm raid in the West Bank on Wednesday night. (Photo: Reuters) Eighteen Palestinians were killed and 40 wounded Thursday after large numbers of IDF troops moved into the West Bank city of Tul Karm and its environs overnight Wednesday, and IAF helicopters and warplanes struck PA targets in the Gaza Strip and West Bank throughout the day. In line with a recent security cabinet decision to intensify the army's operations in the territories, troops from the Nahal and Golani brigades provided support for the Armored Corps, who took control of parts of the city and the two nearby refugee camps of Tul Karm and Nur A-Shams in a pre-dawn incursion. Electricity was cut off from the entire city as heavy fighting was reported around the refugee camps. Palestinians reported at least 20 people injured in the fighting. People were confined to their homes as troops carried out house-to-house searches for terrorist suspects. The troops then took up positions in the city and the two camps, Army Radio reported. The roads have been taken over and the Nur A-Shams camp is under almost total IDF control, the radio said, adding that the IDF also seized control of the house belonging to the head of the Tanzim organization in Nur A-Shams. The IDF commander of the Tul Karm operation, Yair Golan, told Israel Radio his troops would stay up to two days in the area, to "arrest wanted men and people responsible for terror attacks." Thirteen Palestinians were killed during the incursions in the Tul Karm area. Munhad Abu Halel, a member of the Fatah military wing, Hosni Naif, and Tarek Abu Jimos were also killed in Tul Karm. Five armed Palestinians were killed in the fighting, doctors said, and Palestinian sources said that two ambulance workers, on separate ambulances, were killed by IDF gunfire on Thursday night. One was identified as Kamel Salem, an UNRO nurse and the second was identified as Ibrahim Assad, a Red Crescent ambulance driver. The two were on their way to treat wounded individuals in Tul Karm. In the same incidents, an addtional nurse and docter were wounded, as were two other Palestinian rescue workers. Four more Palestinians were killed by IDF gunfire in Tul Karm Thursday night. A senior Islamic Jihad activist was killed by IDF troops close to the West Bank city of Jenin, in what Palestinians said was an assassination. They said IDF soldiers killed Mohammed Anani, 27, at his house in the village of Siris and arrested another man there. Four people were killed during gunbattles with the IDF in the Gaza Strip, including one person who was killed close to the settlement of Netzarim. Bulldozing Palestinian homes Latest News and Events Israeli bulldozers demolish more Palestinian homes in Jerusalem Occupied Jerusalem - The Israeli apartheid regime continued to carry out its policy of ethnic cleansing against non-Jews by destroying Palestinian homes. On Wednesday, Israeli army bulldozers destroyed three homes at the Beit Hanina neighborhood north of Jerusalem. The destruction of the new homes brings to 5 the number of Arab homes that were destroyed in the past 24 hours and 25 since the beginning of the year. Jerusalem Jewish mayor Ehud Olmert defended the war crime, saying the Zionist regime would pay no attention to international protests to that effect. Olmert, a right-wing extremist who advocates the expulsion of non-Jews from Palestine, said he would order fresh demolitions of Arab homes in Jerusalem every week. Israel is an apartheid state that views its non-Jewish citizens as "unwanted" for racist reasons. For the same reason, the Israeli authorities refuse to grant building licenses to non-Jews in order to check Arab demographic growth. Soldiers posing with dead Palestinians aeli soldiers pose with their murdered victims for trophy photographs Occupied Jerusalem - The Israeli Army is investigating reports that its soldiers are circulating "trophy" photographs of themselves posing next to their murdered and sometimes mutilated Palestinian victims, some of them are children. The revelation, made by a group of Israeli soldiers this month, has heightened fears that Israeli soldiers have some instinctive criminal traits which makes them gleeful at murdering and torturing their victims often helpless victims. Last week, a group of soldiers told a Jerusalem weekly newspaper that they and their fellow soldiers often took pocket cameras on military missions and posed for pictures next to corpses of murdered Palestinians. The soldiers said many of the photographs were widely distributed in military units, and appearing in such pictures had become a ritualistic "badge of honour". A unit of the Golani brigade, serving in the Gaza Strip, privately printed a book with stories about its soldiers' crimes. The front cover showed the body of a Palestinian civilian, killed five months ago. The caption read: "Thus shall we do to the man who messes with Company B." In another incident in the Gaza Strip, soldiers photographed a Palestinian who had infiltrated a settlement and was shot dead. A post-mortem examination showed his body had been shot at close range after death. Yoram, 20, an armoured corps soldier, said he had seen 40 to 50 photographs of soldiers posing next to dead Palestinians. "I remember one terrible photo of the soldiers smiling like children as they stood on the bodies with their boots, really enjoying the moment." I can get more if you want more. The truth isn't hard to find when you look for it. Here is a picture of Israeli soldiers posing with dead Palestinians.

I love the way you guys managed to simply ingore my thread about what the Israeli soldiers are doing in Gaza and the West bank...here, let me post it again so you can read it. Israeli troops have been shooting and killing Palestinian ambulence drivers who are trying to help wounded people. They are shooting the elederly and letting them bleed to death. They are shooting Palestinians and then posing for pictures with the dead bodies.They are killing pregnant women trying to get to the hospitals. They even shot and killed a United Nations relief worker who was driving in a clearly marked U.N. van. They have been setting fire to wheat fields causing starving people to not be able to grow food. They are not letting supplies in and are bulldozing houses. But this is all in defense huh. Sounds more like genocide to me. Doesn't surpise me that Israeli soldiers on the front line are starting to refuse serving in the army after what they have been told to do.

how so? Oh yeah the Nazi's were muslim right. If you look back at history, the golden Age of Judaism in terms of art and science occured within the borders of the Islamic Empire.