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I tell you what I would like to see. I wish the Palestinians would just lay down their guns and bombs and stones and conduct peaceful protests. I think every Palestinian should gather up his family and walk to his original home and land that they used to have before the Israelis came in and sit down on it. Those who's homes are no longer there should march to Jerusalem and sit down in the middle. I would love to see the Israeli reaction to that. I do not doubt that a bunch of the Palestinians would be killed by the IDF but only so many people would be allowed to be shot before the U.N. would step in and fix this once and for all.

It is interesting that you are so critical of Arafat. While I do believe he is the wrong man for this job. He is a sheep compared to the wolf currently leading Israel. Need I remind you of the massacres that Sharon carried out in Lebanon. We hear a lot of talk of concessions being demanded by and offered from Israel. Even though Israel demands concessions from Israel, Palestine is not seeking anyconcessions from Israel. What it insists upon is simply "compliance". Compliance with agreements that Israel has already signed, compliance with international law and compliance with relevant U.N. resolutions. That is it. Compliance is not a concession, it is an obligation One that must be adhered to both legally and morally and it is necessary if Israel truly seeks peace. We also hear a lot about how the Palestinian lands conquered in the 1967 war as being "disputed". They are not. They are being occupied "occupied" by Israel and occupied illegally. While sovereignty over expanded East jerusalem is explicity contested, none of the world's other 200 sovereign states has recognized Israel's sovereinty claim. Meanwhile Palestinian sovereignty over the Gaza Strip and the rest of the West bank for that matter are in both literal and legal senses uncontested. Even the creator of modern Israel, David Ben-Gurion came out of retirement in 1967 to say that the occupied territories must be given back and that was the only way to achieve peace. The time for peace came during the Oslo agreement in 1993 when the PLO finally accepted the reality of an Israeli state. A measure of good faith by the Israeli government would have been to at least shut down the settlements in Gaza that serve no purpose for them. They didn't...Instead they ordered for more settlements to be made and this has continued to this day.

If someone broke into your home and then said that they would let you live in the garage, how would you respond?

No they are not Palestinians, but they are all Arabs. What you do not understand is that the countries you mentioned were not created by Arabs but by the western allies at the end of world war I. After the Arabs helped the Allies fight off the Ottomans in the Middle East, they divided up the middle east into these countries. But to the Arabs, they are not this or that...they are Arab and will not tolerate seeing one of their own treated in such a manner. That is why Arabs get upset when the U.S. continues to bomb and kill Iraqis. Political borders don't mean shit. When an Arab is suffering, other Arabs will not tolerate it.

Valid Israeli security concerns huh? Israeli troops have been shooting and killing Palestinian ambulence drivers who are trying to help wounded people. They are shooting the elederly and letting them bleed to death. They are shooting Palestinians and then posing for pictures with the dead bodies.They are killing pregnant women trying to get to the hospitals. They even shot and killed a United Nations relief worker who was driving in a clearly marked U.N. van. They have been setting fire to wheat fields causing starving people to not be able to grow food. They are not letting supplies in and are bulldozing houses. But this is all in defense huh. Sounds more like genocide to me. Doesn't surpise me that Israeli soldiers on the front line are starting to refuse serving in the army after what they have been told to do.

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here we go again... Native Theory is back with another Infrared party. If you are good, you might get invited to the afterhours back at our place..... Date: Saturday, September 29th Time: 10 - 4 (afterhours to follow) Place: Infrared Lounge, 210 Rivington (between Pitt & Ridge) DJ's: Hisham Samawi & Brendan Benke 21 + No Cover... all proceeds donated to the WTC relief efforts. check out www.nativetheory.com for more information and pictures from our last parties...

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Hey everyone.....someone at my office just sent an email out to the payroll department requesting to have his days pay for September 11th donated to the families of the victimes. A lot of people are now doing it here. I just did it.....I think that is a great idea. If every donates their pay for that day, I think it would really help out. Send an email to your payroll department and copy your company to it. Maybe it will have the same success it is having here.....just an idea.

I'm sorry, the numbers don't lie. It's about 600 Palestinians dead in the past year compared to about 100 Israelis. Israel is using helicopters with Missles and tanks to invade and conquer more land that belongs to the Palestinians. Yes the Palestinians are contributing to the violence but lets ask ourselves a question.....who is illegally occupying who's land? This land is not "disputed" it is being occupied by Israel and illegally so for the past 34 years. The U.N. has demanded that Israel return it yet they refuse. I am not justifying the violence but stop acting like Israel is a bunch of angels who are just responding to the attacks on innocent people by the Palestinians. Don't believe everything you see on CNN and hear from your Israeli army buddies (wow....there's an unbiased view).

I wonder how many people here will be cheering when the U.S. bombs whoever they plan to bomb and innocent people are killed. Is it really any different? And regarding the news...if you really knew what went on in the middle east, you would be horrified. Innocent people are dying in Iraq in bombings as well as due to starvation because of the embargos. The U.S. created Sadam Hussein by funding him against Iran. They got involved strictly for oil and screwed the Iraqis who by the way in addition to the rest of the Middle East hate Sadam. To the people who did this, they do not see a difference between terrorism and attacks by a govenment. The same thing that is fueling our rage to bomb them is what led them to this. Bombs "made in the USA" have killed their family, homes etc... And this rage has been manipulated by bin Laden to seek revenge. Everyone is asking who and how but we must look at why or this cycle will continue to manifest itself. I am not justiufying anything and am not saying that the U.S. deserved this.,....no one does. Violence does not solve anything....but I am saying that we as a people need to educate ourselves and take a close look at what is going on in the world. Don't just believe everything you hear and see coming from western media. A lie repeated enough times will soon be taken as the truth if no other view is presented. Just look a recent look at history shows us that we are repeating the same mistakes man has committed many times. There are no winners in wars these days. World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.

It is much more complicated than that but the media's coverage is influenced by the powers that be. Is anyone aware of the fact that we STILL continue to bomb Iraq and kill innocent people over there. Funny how that never seems to get mentioned over here any more. The media has to be consistent with a country's political agenda or else the people in the country will resist. Its subtle but also very blatant to those who step outside this country.

forgive me, but I just couldn't resist....please know that I am not a racist or an anti-semite. In fact I am a semite....all arabs are. I've seen it from both sides and while I don't know everything that is going on, I've learned that the Western media portarys a very biased view on what is going on over there. First of all, Israel did not do anything by itself. The only reason it exists is because the west deemed it so. It made "the desert bloom" with continuous support from the United States. I really do think you need to open your eyes just a bit. I'm not saying that all are Israelis bad and Palestinians are good, but I think you need to be a bit more realistic here in your views of what is going on over there. Just because the western media that you read calls all Palestinian attacks as being "terrorist attacks" and all Israeli attacks as being "counter-attacks" does not mean it is so. Are you aware that Israel is currently illegally occupying territories that belongs to the Palestinians. The Palestinian territories conquered by Israel in 1967 are frequently referred to as "disputed". They are not. They are "occupied", and illegally so. While sovereignty over expanded East Jerusalem is explicity contested, none of the world's other 192 sovereign states has recognized Israel's sovereignty claim and Palestinian sovereignty over the West bank is, in both literal and legal senses, uncontested (even if it is not yet universally "recognized".) The U.N. has ordered them to return it yet they refuse. Please, the Israeli government is no group of angels....need I remind you of the masacares at Sabra and Shatilla where close to 2,000 civilians were tortured, raped and murdered by Israeli militie under the orders of Sharon that took place in the 80s. Are you aware of the fact that Israel currently wants to surround all Palestinians villages with barbed wire fences (sound familiar?) and also has roads set up in Palestinan lands that are "For Jews Only" (ironic huh). Look at the numbers my friend, close to 600 Palestinians have been killed in the past year compared to about 100 Israelis. The Israeli army has just initiated a new program in which they are flat out assassinating Palestinian leaders....which they are calling "targetted killings" and "active defensive measures". Their reasoning is, "we killed them because they were planning on killing us later". Wow, didn't realize the Israelis were mind readers. Look, I'm not looking to start any trouble here. There are larger issues at hand, but please be wiser than to simply believe everything the western media tells you about what is going on over there. It just really irks me that the one people who should be the most sympathetic to the Palestinians are acting this way. I am not justifying the use of violence in this situation or any situation for that matter. I really wish both sides could come to an agreement and settle this once and for all and in a peaceful manner. The first step towards this is education and understanding. People need to learn the truth, and those who commit violent acts must be help accountable for their actions....be them individuals or governments.

right, get those who did this, but don't punish an entire region of people who have nothing to do with this. Opening a "can of whoopass" on innocent people isn't going to solve anything. They just did it to you and has anything been solved? With every new action comes more severe consequences....

I also think people need to ask the question why, and not just who and how. I go into it in the thread below... http://bbs.clubplanet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58083

WHY? The tragic events that took place on September 11, 2001 in New York and Washington have shocked the world. We have lost thousands of people dear to us. Many more have been injured. Buildings we were proud of have been destroyed. We have been attacked in our own country. We are devastated, we feel violated and we are angry. We are furious and we are asking for retribution, we want the people responsible for this outrage punished, we want revenge! Everyone is asking “who?” and “how?” Who was it that committed these horrible crimes and how did they do it. A big problem I find is not enough people are asking “why?” Why do other people hate us so much that they are willing to hurt us so badly? Why are they willing to die themselves in order to wreak havoc amongst us? Many media experts have told us that the perpetrators of these attacks hate the American way of life, our values and our freedom. I beg to differ. Having lived in the Middle East for some years, I know for a fact that most people in the Middle East love Americans as people. They admire the American way of life and they long for our freedom. What they cannot understand, what bewilders them, hurts them and makes them bitter is the fact that we do not practice what we preach. We stand for freedom and justice and yet we blindly support Israel in the illegal occupation of Palestinian land. We are against racism and yet we close our eyes to the blatant racism carried out by Israel against the Palestinians. Hundreds of thousands of innocent children have died in Iraq during ten years of sanctions, many civilians killed and houses destroyed during the routinely carried out bombing raids on Iraq that are not even mentioned in the news anymore. In the occupied territories of the West Bank and Gaza, there are almost daily attacks on the civilian population carried out in American-supplied helicopter gun ships and by American-made missiles, people are killed and property demolished. These attacks did not happen for one day, they have been going on for months and years. They have lost thousands of people dear to them. Many more have been injured, many of their buildings have been destroyed. They are devastated, they feel violated and they are angry! And just like us, they want revenge! That is why someone like Osama Ben Laden can find followers for his evil schemes in their ranks. Many of these people are already living in hell, they have lost their loved ones, their homes, their dignity. They have nothing left to lose except a life that is not worth living. That is why they become suicide bombers. They do not hate our way of life, they are bitter that the only nation on earth that could help them have a decent life of their own turns a blind eye to their suffering and supports the oppressors. Sure, we can go now and bomb the hell out of some people over there, and many of the same people that were horrified – and rightly so – by the images of Palestinians celebrating the attacks on New York and Washington, many of these same people will be dancing in American streets once they see pictures of bombs falling on Afghanistan or elsewhere. And they will conveniently forget that innocent lives will also be lost in these attacks. All that will matter to them is that the USA got their revenge. The sad thing is that there really is not that much difference between “them” and “us”, we all bleed when we are hurt. What is even more sad is that if we do nothing except drop bombs and take our revenge, if we do not find a solution to the problems that are the cause of these attacks, we will only intensify the cycle of violence. Sooner or later another disaster will happen and we will mourn the loss of more innocent lives. And we will be partly to blame. Osama Ben Laden's actions are not the spirit of Islam Osama Ben Laden has been presented to the world as an Islamic fundamentalist and Islam is being blamed for all the evils that have befallen mankind. Many Americans know absolutely nothing about Islam, nor do they care to educate themselves. They associate Islam with terrorism, suicide bombers and hatred for American culture and American values. This is very narrow minded and totally misleading. Most of the Nazis were Christians, yet nobody in his right mind would associate the horrors and evils of the Third Reich with Christianity. These are the failings of human beings and not of any religion. Islam is the Arabic word for submission to God. Islam is the most tolerant of religions, it recognizes the Jewish and Christian faith ( Jews and Christians are mentioned as “people of the book” in the Koran) and accepts in the Torah and Old and New Testament as divine scriptures besides the Koran. Islam shows great reverence to all the biblical prophets from Adam to Abraham to Moses. Jesus is held in high esteem by Moslems and they believe in the Immaculate Conception. Charity and helping others are important parts of Islam. Human life is sacred, killing others is only allowed in self-defense or if sanctified by law (like the death penalty in some states in the US). Suicide is a great sin and totally against anything that Islam stands for. Another misconception in the Western world, mostly due to the Western media, is the concept of “Jihad” or Holy war. It is not a war to impose Islam on others, nor is it a war of aggression. Jihad is the obligation of Moslems to come to the help of other Moslems if they are attacked or oppressed. There have always been people that have used religion as means to accomplish their own goals. But only Islam has ever been vilified as a religion for the shortcomings of some of its pretended followers.