Are Trance/House Tracks Edible art? (Musical expiration dates)

[mugwump]

Like the damn date on that carton of milk

that's stinking up your fridge!

Does anyone else feel like many Trance/House

Tracks that are "HOT TODAY"

turn to Cheese tomorrow?

It's like "Edible art"..

Consume it till

you suck all the flavor

out of it..

then move on to the next big thing.

I mean how many times

did you listen to "ROACHES",

"Papa New Guini" Or

FBS's "Star 69" remixed by

every godamn producer on the planet

(And droped on a zillion dancefloors)

before you wanted to puke..?

Are our favorite dance tracks fated to dissolve

in time?

And if so...

Will dance culture ever become

"RETRO"

(Alla 80's Synth pop nostalgia?)

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

[schwingep]

K L F uh huh uh huh

KLF IS GONNA ROCK YA!!!

Many tracks have the problem with sounding *dated*

High energy Trance for instance the real *twekay* high synths are def very *datable*

But take Sasha's EP things like Expander and Rabbitweed (yeah we know when they came out) but they don't have that *dated* sound.

Many of the tracks that have vocals lend itself to the *I've heard his too much* Hide You (I still gotta play it for the *crowd* but the mix I use has Flight 643 remixed under it...kills two birds with one stone)) Well that's another dateable track....da da da da dadad da

Very Hooky tracks get dated easily.

But 80's synth pop oh gawd that is sooo dateable....but then again tak Stereolab which sounds like a farfisa organ and a gretch through a tube amp yet it was produced last week.

When I play a venue where I can play the *Dark Side of Schwinge* I love pulling out TONS of oldies, cause I know this generation of clubbers were'nt really around 5 years ago (I'm not saying everyone here so don't jump on me) but if I drop an oldie that S&D was dropping at the Northern Exposure parties, the older crew get that (yeah boooyeee I remember this shit, havent heard it in ages) and *many* times I've had new newjacks comeup like *yo WTF is this shit, this ROCKS!" I'm like it's Space Maneuvers!!! S&D used to drop this...and they love it.

It's sometimes hard for a DJ to find some *oldies* that don't sound dated.

As with any great song Mugs, yo know when it gets played out it gets boring but I don't think they fade into existence, they just need to be shelved for a bit. I have many tracks I want to drop again, but I'm waiting for that right time when I feel it's right.

IE...I heard Stairway to Heaven for the first time in over a year....damn I fucking LOVE that song, it's a brilliant piece of work!

Whooooo Are You do doo do doo now tell me who are you!

Good seeing you bro, next time I'll have a drink ticket for you too

- Pete

[schwingep]

oh and true Trance tracks have expiration dates

Binary Finary, 1998, 1999, 2000

here's another for ya

Everybody Everybody, Everybody Everybody!!!

[bigpoppanils]

some songs get very dated quickly, like tarrentella-karma

others kinda seem dated but get played anyway like sandstorm (if i hear that one more time i'm gonna hurt someone)

other less annoying ones include push-strangeworld and three drives-sunset on ibiza

it seems that vocals tend to get dated more quickly, probably beacuse they are usually the ones that cross over

[mugwump]

Ladies and gents..

DJ Shwing has spoken....

True that...

I've been places where

classics get no respect..

BTW man, Kathy told me to say

THANKS for everything..

We had a pretty good time..

No sweat about any drink tickets!

ANYONE ELSE WITH TWO CENTS

That MAKE SENSE!?

[mugwump]

double post..

heh~

[laraver]

Great Music is timeless.

Cheese turns moldy with age.

A basic principle and a good way to distinguish which is which.

I dropped a couple of tracks that were several years old (from around 96) on Saturday and I challenge anyone to say which was old and which was new stuff.

Play Hybrid's remix of "Godspeed" and it sounds as fresh as it did the day it was released. That is but one example. There are many many others.

[mugwump]

Originally posted by laraver

Great Music is timeless.

Cheese turns moldy with age.

A basic principle and a good way to distinguish which is which.

I dropped a couple of tracks that were several years old (from around 96) on Saturday and I challenge anyone to say which was old and which was new stuff.

Play Hybrid's remix of "Godspeed" and it sounds as fresh as it did the day it was released. That is but one example. There are many many others.

good point man..

and they Also revived

FSOL's Papa New Guini

(Which wound up being overplayed)

Yet that track was ORIGINALY made by FSOL

a looong looong time ago..

in a club galaxy far away!

But then again one man's golden oldie

is another man's SWISS CHEESE..

so who am I to judge

Parkay from butter..?

(???)

WHAT THE HELL AM I TALKING ABOUT...?!

These food analogies that I'm using

are getting retarded

I THINK I NEED TO GO EAT DINNER...

see ya all around!

[phuturephunk]

. . .classics are classics, no matter how you cut it . .

. . the cheese factor is a bit different . .hmmm. . . I would say that people label tracks cheese for one of two reasons:

1) It really IS cheese . . example: anything by the Venga Boys

2) . . well this one depends on point of view . . if the label of "cheese" is coming from someone who is really into electronic music, and obsesses about it as such, then it's the "mainstream" factor that causes the track to become cheese . . I'll admit (as an musical elitist . . ) that something special, a certain magical property, is lost when everyone starts liking something that you liked when nobody ever heard of it . . Perfect example is "Better off Alone" by Alice deejay . . It's a catchy song, it makes me think of better days, etc etc etc . . and it was COOL when only the DJ's, party people and Record Store owners knew about it.

. . Then comes Airplay, and in the blink of an eye every suburban wannabe is blasting it from the car that mommy and daddy bought them . . YOU (as the party person) don't like the fact that a bunch of lamers are listening to what you perceive as YOUR music . . It hurts because you know it's just a flighty nonsensical thing to them . . that they really don't care what they listen to as long as it's socially acceptable . .

. . .That's the reason I get upset . . .

The second point of view would be from the "lamers" mentioned in the paragraph above . . These people have no idea what a real "classic" entails . . One of those songs that transcends and becomes more than the sum of it's parts (Godspeed, SF2UK, The Box, Finished Symphony, For an Angel, etc . .) . . . They will never understand because it (electronic) is just a small helping of subculture to thinly veil over their trend whoring ways . . Back to the point: The reason trendies and lamers label a song "cheese" is because there's something new that KTU, Z100 etc etc . . are telling them to like . .

. . Just a thought . .

-Phuturephunk

[Xpander]

Phuturephunk and Schwingep smacked it on the head, or at least pretty damn close to it.......

Space *****uvres...for an Angel...XPANDER....to list some examples......

IMHO, I think there's a quality in these tracks that makes them very...untouchable....

take Xpander....I loved this track for such a long time (couldn't you tell?)...but I still can't forget when I was out walking around stargazing with nothing but this track in my ear. The moment when i found that bassline groove underlying it that I never realized was there before...it was a very sentimental thing.

but ultimately, like mugz said....it boils down to musical taste. I can throw out lists of what I consider "classics" and people will look at me like "wua?!?!?!"

It's almost sad sometimes when you can enjoy something so much and other people can't see...see, hear...or even sense the thing the way you do. It feels like you want to show people a wonderful thing and they can never enjoy it like you do. Then again, that's the nature of human taste.

time for me to stop ranting... So until then... *puts on Xpander*

[saigray]

as an self-confessed elitist in many ways too, I have given this dilema serious thought, I if you look at it, these two positions are uncomfortably close in some ways. Its hard to admit, but running away from the mainstream, just because its mainstream, is just as mass media-controlled and reactive as embracing every fad MTV throws at us just because everyone else is. Neither is totally based on the quality of the music. This is not to say that mainstream music, in general, doesn't suck, and that it's not good to be discriminating. But throwing out songs you like, just cause "lamers" have discovered them is not a sign of independant thinkin, but actually another tip of the hat to the effectiveness of marketing. If you are honestly evaluating the music, it is either good or bad...you either like it or you don't....everything else is the result of social constructs.

Trust me, I instinctually want to protect MY music from lamers too, but when you think about it, if we thinks its so good, why would we want to keep others from enjoying it too...what's that about? I would propose that its probably tied up in our identity as musical elitists, and if others join us, it doesn't make the music worse than when we listened to it alone, but it attacks part of our identity and so to protect that we have to abandon a song/style/spot or admit that we are taste isn't so refined after all.

Just a thought...and what a long, late-nite, stoned one it is.

Originally posted by phuturephunk

. . .classics are classics, no matter how you cut it . .

. . the cheese factor is a bit different . .hmmm. . . I would say that people label tracks cheese for one of two reasons:

1) It really IS cheese . . example: anything by the Venga Boys

2) . . well this one depends on point of view . . if the label of "cheese" is coming from someone who is really into electronic music, and obsesses about it as such, then it's the "mainstream" factor that causes the track to become cheese . . I'll admit (as an musical elitist . . ) that something special, a certain magical property, is lost when everyone starts liking something that you liked when nobody ever heard of it . . Perfect example is "Better off Alone" by Alice deejay . . It's a catchy song, it makes me think of better days, etc etc etc . . and it was COOL when only the DJ's, party people and Record Store owners knew about it.

. . Then comes Airplay, and in the blink of an eye every suburban wannabe is blasting it from the car that mommy and daddy bought them . . YOU (as the party person) don't like the fact that a bunch of lamers are listening to what you perceive as YOUR music . . It hurts because you know it's just a flighty nonsensical thing to them . . that they really don't care what they listen to as long as it's socially acceptable . .

. . .That's the reason I get upset . . .

The second point of view would be from the "lamers" mentioned in the paragraph above . . These people have no idea what a real "classic" entails . . One of those songs that transcends and becomes more than the sum of it's parts (Godspeed, SF2UK, The Box, Finished Symphony, For an Angel, etc . .) . . . They will never understand because it (electronic) is just a small helping of subculture to thinly veil over their trend whoring ways . . Back to the point: The reason trendies and lamers label a song "cheese" is because there's something new that KTU, Z100 etc etc . . are telling them to like . .

. . Just a thought . .

-Phuturephunk

[ecstatichigh35]

another classic WitchDoctor by Greg Rosenstein

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t seems that vocals tend to get dated more quickly, probably beacuse they are usually the ones that cross over

True that man...

Vocals(in my book)=temporary

sympathy that eventualy grows OLD!

Like:

"ya-ya-ya..I heard that one before...

quit telling me what you think.."

But Sai..I have to disagree with you on one point..

MY bordome comes from REPETITION..

not an illitist mentality against the "main stream"..

If I hear "RAPTURE" one more godamn time

(as beautiful as that track is)

I'm gonna get ill on the dance floor..

It's not the COMERCIALISM I mind..

It's the unavoidable repetition many DJs feel

they have to perform in order to please an audience

with a "HOT TRACK"!

(Even if you don't get to hear it on K-rock it

will still follow you like GUM ON YOUR SHOE

from one floor to another!)

IS THE NATURE OF THE SOUNDS IN

OUR SCENE MADE TO SELF DISTRUCT?

and if so...

Does that leave room for originality?

[phuturephunk]

Originally posted by saigray

as an self-confessed elitist in many ways too, I have given this dilema serious thought, I if you look at it, these two positions are uncomfortably close in some ways. Its hard to admit, but running away from the mainstream, just because its mainstream, is just as mass media-controlled and reactive as embracing every fad MTV throws at us just because everyone else is. Neither is totally based on the quality of the music. This is not to say that mainstream music, in general, doesn't suck, and that it's not good to be discriminating. But throwing out songs you like, just cause "lamers" have discovered them is not a sign of independant thinkin, but actually another tip of the hat to the effectiveness of marketing. If you are honestly evaluating the music, it is either good or bad...you either like it or you don't....everything else is the result of social constructs.

Trust me, I instinctually want to protect MY music from lamers too, but when you think about it, if we thinks its so good, why would we want to keep others from enjoying it too...what's that about? I would propose that its probably tied up in our identity as musical elitists, and if others join us, it doesn't make the music worse than when we listened to it alone, but it attacks part of our identity and so to protect that we have to abandon a song/style/spot or admit that we are taste isn't so refined after all.

Just a thought...and what a long, late-nite, stoned one it is.

. . . I don't deny myself the pleasure of listening to music when I know that many trendies are listening too . .it just upsets me when the trendies get their hands on something and then try to modify it to THEIR likes and in the process destroy what they're trying to modify. . The club scene is the perfect example. .

. . Here's what parties are supposed to be according to OUR subculture: A warehouse (or other minimally adorned space) filled with people dancing and chilling to a DJ. .

. . Nowhere in that statement do you see "Dress to Impress", "Shirtless Meatheads" or "snobbish crap" . . If I wanted to dress to impress, I'd go to a cocktail party . . If I wanted to see shirtless meatheads I'd go to Cancun . . If I wanted snobbery, I'd hang out on the Upper East Side . . These three sins are what the Trendies bring to our scene (among others . . ). .

. . . But club owners HAVE to cater to these people cause they bring in the alcohol revenue ( . . If I had a dollar for every time I uttered those words on this board . .). . . .

Ya know . . now that I think about it, I really don't hate trendies, I just hate the way they treat people like me . . and I think that goes for many of the people who have enjoyed the many intricacies of subculture, in whatever form they may take . . It's a classic battle between the outcasts and the mainstreamers, a battle that will never end . .

. . Oh well . .

And by the way, I'm smokin right there with ya . . In spirit at least . .

Peace,

-Phuturephunk