sexybitchjenny Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 Arrrrrroooooooo....Is anyone following this case?Do you think the owners of the dogsshould be held responsible for second degree manslaughter?Read this article and Vote... Jury reaches partial verdict in dog mauling case LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- A jury will continue deliberating Thursday in the case of a San Francisco couple whose dogs mauled a neighbor to death after reaching a decision on four of five counts. On Wednesday Superior Court Judge James Warren directed the foreman to place the four verdicts in an envelope to be kept sealed overnight. The jury, when it reconvenes, could still change those verdicts, and none of the verdicts will be read until verdicts on all five counts are reached. Robert Noel and his wife, Marjorie Knoller, face charges of involuntary manslaughter and keeping a mischievous animal that killed. Knoller, who was present at the attack, is also charged with second-degree murder. The partial verdict came at the end of the second day of deliberations in the case, hours after the jury asked to rehear a portion of grand jury testimony delivered last year by Noel. In the passages requested by the jury, Noel discussed dog aggression and an incident involving a next-door neighbor who testified the dogs were a "menace." A court reporter read the testimony to the jury behind closed doors; no one else was present. Closing arguments in the dog mauling case see tempers rise as announcement of the verdict nears. CNN's Thelma Gutierrez reports (March 20) Noel never testified at trial, and prosecutors said they were pleased the jury was looking closely at the only testimony he gave about the mauling. "They do have one insight into his version of all these facts, and that was his sworn testimony by a lawyer, under oath, at the grand jury," said prosecutor Jim Hammer. "The jury will give that weight -- whatever they see fit." Hammer and San Francisco District Attorney Terence Hallinan said prosecutors were "encouraged" the jury had resolved four of the five counts. "It seems to me that this jury is thinking, they're working through this," Hallinan said. The jury's plan to continue deliberating on the fifth count means the jurors aren't frustrated, but feel they can reach a verdict, he said. Nedra Ruiz, Knoller's attorney, said her client is "legally blameless" and would never endanger anyone. "She's hopeful and she's carrying her heart in her hands until the verdict comes in," Ruiz said. "It's an outrageous tragedy that has resulted in a long incarceration for Marjorie, and now she could face a life sentence for a tragic accident." Deliberations began late Tuesday morning after almost four weeks of testimony. The most graphic parts of the trial included descriptions of the way the neighbor, Diane Whipple, 33, was attacked and bled to death in the apartment building hallway. Whipple was returning to her apartment with groceries when Bane, the male dog, attacked her. The other dog, Hera, a female, was in the hallway at the time of the attack but it is unclear whether she took part. Both dogs have been destroyed. Prosecutors have said the couple ignored signs their two 100-plus-pound Presa Canario dogs were dangerous, and said they failed to take proper steps to control the animals. According to prosecutors, there were more than 30 complaints made against the dogs, including one from Whipple two weeks before her death. Defense attorneys contend Whipple's death was accidental and that the couple had no way to know their family pets would attack. They dispute the prosecution's description of the couple as "reckless." Knoller faces 15 years to life in prison if convicted on all charges. Noel could be sentenced to as many as four years if convicted. The grand jury testimony requested by the jury Wednesday dealt with neighbor Skip Cooley, who filed a complaint in August 2000 with the apartment manager after the dogs viciously barked throughout the night and scratched on the bare hardwood floors. Cooley testified at the trial last month about several incidents in which the dogs showed aggressive behavior long before Whipple's death on January 26, 2001. One time, he said, one of the dogs "sprang" at him and bared its teeth at him in "attack mode." Another time, he was sitting in his car and saw Knoller and Noel running across the parking garage, shouting at their dogs who were apparently running after another dog. Taken from:http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/03/21/dog.mauling.trial/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LavenderMenace Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 Originally posted by sexybitchjenny Both dogs have been destroyed. Dont they mean KILLED??? They're dogs, not inanimate trash. God, I hate that.anyway i dont know enough about the case to make a judgement on responsbility... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatz Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 That's fucked up yo! I heard the owner THREW herself on the victim to save herfrom her dogs (Pictures of her all covered in Blood are on CNN) and they are blaming her for having dangerouse Dogs and shit!? The dogs are dead.what else do they want? Sounds like the victim's family need someone to blame. Fucked up shit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkfyre Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 because it is not possible to hold animals accountable and responsible for their actions, that accountability and responsibility must be undertaken by their owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugwump Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 Sometimes animals "snap" or have some externalthing beyond the master's control trigger a violent reaction..I know this from many years of owning dogsand training them. Even the most docile pup can flip a switchunder certain circumstances and become a mouth full of fangs!Animals are like people in a lot of ways,Who knows if these dogs might have suffered apsychotic episode (Much as humans can) orhad a violent mood swing due to brain activities,(Same as millions of humans that take Paxal, Xanex and the likes)..I think holding the Owners accountable for an unexpectedsudden violent reaction of any animal is understandable ... but SECOND DEGREE MAN SLAUGHTER is a bit extremedon't you think?In a world where OJ SIMPSON walks freeand rapists live next door to children afterparole I think it's a bit much~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallflour Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 The owners are guilty on all counts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugwump Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 Originally posted by wallflour The owners are guilty on all counts! Well, that's no surprise!I still think the animals being put downshould have been enough.I suppose they will now go to jail andspend time next to someone who was caught with a dime bag of weed in a club somewhereand a schizophrenic undiagnosed mental patient thatdrowned their kids under a psychotic episode.Mean while Rapists, Murderers and REAL dealersrun free on the streets..Well, glad to see the system's got it's priorities right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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