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  1. Originally posted by elitesnautica

    My feeling (in short) - there are much better sources of protein than milk.

    I agree.

    Rackham believes the opposite and had a study to back up his belief.

    I don't think the opposite; I just think that milk protein is digestible. I definitely wouldn't recommend it as a person's primary protein source. Anyway, like you I have no intention of repeating this debate. ;)

  2. Originally posted by Mystify22

    If you do the same routine and muscles everyday, your body gets used to it, and it's not gonna react the same way after it gets to know the routine, etc....it'll do less work to get that routine done.....

    You're right that the muscles "get used" to always doing the same workout, but that's irrelevant when you're doing the same workout every day. The main problem in that case is that your muscles never get a chance to heal and get stronger -- you just keep breaking them down and breaking them down and breaking them down and...

    temptschick, you are overtraining and getting tired is your body's way of letting you know.

  3. Originally posted by joeg

    met-rx makes a good protein shake... 40g protein, 15g carbs (for vanilla, or 13g if you can stand the strawberry)...

    i don't remember the rest exactly... but the strange thing is, the vanilla tastes REALLY good... (and normally vanilla is the worst flavor for shakes)

    Vanilla really is the best flavor. Chocolate and strawberry are horrible. Those shakes are expensive, though; the least I can find them for is $2.70, and most places it's $4.00. My protein powder + fat-free sugarless jello pudding mix comes to less than $1.00 per 46g of protein, which is *much* better... if money is an issue, that is...

  4. Originally posted by elitesnautica

    The protein supplement manufacturers have NO need for these studies. Milk is NOT a competitor - they make most of their drinks so it can be mixed with milk or water. They could care less whether the milk enhances or hurts protein digestion - All they want to do is sell there product. There only competition is other protein supplements.

    How many people would stop drinking milk if they thought it provided no protein? How many of those people would buy more supplements? Milk is *definitely* a competitor.

    I admit that my articles are no better or worse than your studies other than the fact that there was no money issue concerning mine.

    Umm... and the fact that I posted actual studies, not just random stuff from a web site.

    "In infants, the chief cells secrete gastric lipase and rennin. Gastric lipase digest some of the butterfat of milk and rennin curdles milk by coagulating its proteins."

    Anatomy and Physicology, Second Edition, Saladin, 2001, page 953.

    Congratulations, you've just show that infants are able to digest butterfat from milk, and milk curdles. That says NOTHING about protein digestibility.

    Thanks, I'll need it. Like I stated before - there is no money in condeming milk.

    There's no money in condemning cigarettes, either, but that doesn't stop people from doing studies. Maybe you just can't find the studies because there AREN'T any.

    But if there aren't any, then how can you possibly be so sure about your statements? :confused:

    And like I have stated before. If you want to drink milk and enjoy that is GREAT. Drink away. Just know that there are better forms of protein and calcium available.

    Nautica

    This isn't about whether or not I'll drink milk. It's about getting the facts straight.

  5. Originally posted by elitesnautica

    Here lies the problem. You will find plenty of studies - most of which are NOT peer reviewed, which are paid for by milk producers. Why - b/c that is how they make money.

    The problem with finding studies (and I have seen a few) is that there is absolutely no money in a study that tells you not to buy a product - unless of course they have another product to sell you.

    By your reasoning, the protein supplement manufacturers should have proven milk protein to be indigestible a long time ago. So where are those studies?

    When reading a "Pro" milk study you need to look for 2 extremely important things.

    1) Who paid for the study?

    2) Was the study peer reviewed?

    Anybody can make a study look scientific - but unless you take into account those 2 criterias - then it is absolutly worthless- much like as you stated before - the "articles" written by those that are anti-milk.

    So you admit that the articles you posted are absolutely worthless.

    What I can tell you for 100 percent sure - is that adult humans or any adults for that matter - lack the enzyme to break down milk. This is not disputed by anyone in the scientific community. That along with the heavy fat content and pasturization techniques is enough for me to find other sources of protein and calcium.

    Some (not all) human adults lack the enzyme to adequately break down lactose, which is the sugar component of milk, not the protein component. Some (not all) human adults have a casein intolerance, but that is a medical condition, not the norm.

    But if you enjoy milk - by all means - there is plenty around.

    and I will keep looking until I do find and actual scientific study.

    nautica

    Good luck with that.

  6. Why don't you stop quoting anti-milk quacks running their mouths, and post an actual STUDY showing the indigestibility of milk protein?

    This guy is referencing studies done in the 1930s on CATS, for christ's sake. And NONE of his "scientific sources" are referenced.

    :blank:

  7. Originally posted by tastyt

    The most convincing study I head about (well, saw really- it was on TLC) involved a woman who was receiving testosterone injections. The entire program was about the effects of testosterone in sexual differentiation.

    So, the woman who was one of the main subjects- was actually socialized as a female. They went over the perceived differences in men and women- ex: men are better at spatial tasks, have more physical prowess, etc.; women are better at reading emotions, have better linguistic skills, etc.

    Anyway, as her treatments progressed, it was all going exactly as expected- including the fact that she was having a much harder time both expressing and reading emotions. She said that there was one time when she really wanted to cry- yet she was completely unable to, she felt like there was a brick wall blocking her.

    Now, obviously it would be premature to take this as the be-all end-all of studies of gender differences- but it does back up a lot of previous conclusions, and certainly provides food for thought.

    Very interesting.

  8. Originally posted by tastyt

    I agree... there have been studies which show that men are better able to distance themselves from their emotions, while women are much more in tune with theirs, and more in tune with others' emotions as well (hence, "women's intuition").

    In these studies, how did they control for socialization?

  9. Originally posted by phuturephunk

    ...When it comes down to it..its not just actively 'ignoring' emotions...Being in tune with them has nothing to do with the ability for a male to turn them off... We're confusing the biological with the social learning aspect of emotion..

    ...Guys are BIOLOGICALLY more able to readily divorce emotion from the decision making process..It all goes back to us being the hunters and the women being the gatherers ... If females had been the sex, so many millenia ago, to take the hunter role they'd be that way too...

    ..Its all about the specialization...

    I'm not confusing anything. You're claiming that it's biological, and I'm disagreeing. Men can be just as emotional as women, but we're taught not to be. How many men had fathers/friends who told them DON'T BE A PUSSY when they started getting emotional as children? We're taught from an early age that "real men" control their emotions, and "real women" cry at the end of Bambi. By the time we're adults, it's so ingrained in us that it would appear to be biological, but I don't think it is.

  10. Originally posted by phuturephunk

    ...I agree..partly...There is a definite, marked difference in the way that males and females approach problems and how they come to solutions..I'm not saying one is better than the other, but its well known that males can more easily divorce emotion from the decision making process than women..

    I think that men are *taught* to ignore their emotions.

  11. Originally posted by sigmagal

    Other things allowed on the diet...

    Celary with Peanut Butter

    A few Almonds

    Small portions of low fat cheese.

    Do you happen to know how many calories are in your current snacks, and how much was in the bars that you were eating?

  12. Originally posted by sigmagal

    No I replaces them. I am actually trying the South Beach diet which is similar to Atkins. I can eat a mid morning snack and an afternoon snack. I used to eat a piece of the bar for one of those snacks.

    What did you replace them with?

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