I use creatine and protien. I was taking 3 shakes of protien wth water a day and 2 with creatine. Now my 6 pack is gone and im a bit bloated so i think im cutting down to 1 shake w creatine and if it doesnt work im stopping all together. Ihave a wedding to go to next month after that i think its juice time. I just dont wanna do it before the wedding because if i gain like 15 lbs or so in the next 5 weeks the tux wont fit lol