Thats the root of alot of the hate if you ask me. Some just don't fit in and want to so out comes the hate- that's not everyone - just some and thats not a reference to anyone in this thread either. Incidentally I am over 30 and a jp fan from back in the day. Some like house, trance, tech, etc. if you want to call jp pots and pans fine but guess what - it's a style and it has its fans just like the other types do. Give it a rest already and stop the hating.