normalnoises Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 Federal judge orders Alabama chief justice to remove Ten Commandments from judicial building http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/national/ap_alab11182002.htmMONTGOMERY, Ala. - A Ten Commandments monument in the rotunda of Alabama's judicial building violates the constitution's ban on government promotion of religion, a federal judge ruled Monday.U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson gave Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, who had had the 5,300-pound granite monument installed in the state building, 30 days to remove it.Moore testified during the trial that the commandments are the moral foundation of American law. He said the monument acknowledges God, but does not force anyone to follow his conservative Christian religious beliefs.A lawsuit seeking removal of the monument argued that it promoted the judge's faith in violation of the constitution's ban on government establishment of religion.``This is a question of whether the politically powerful can impose their views on others,'' Southern Poverty Law Center attorney Danielle Lipow argued during the trial before Thompson.Moore testified he decided to locate a monument to the Ten Commandments in the building several months after he was elected chief justice in November 2000.The monument, which features the King James Bible version of the Ten Commandments sitting on top of a granite block, is one of the first things visitors see upon entering the building.An appeal was expected. Neither Moore nor his lead attorney, Stephen Melchior, had any immediate comment on the ruling. An assistant to Melchior said they were reserving comment until they had read the opinion.Moore fought to display a wooden plaque of the commandments on his courtroom wall in Etowah County, before he won election as chief justice.``The basic issue is whether we will still be able to acknowledge God under the First Amendment, or whether we will not be able to acknowledge God,'' Moore testified.Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, called the ruling a setback for ``Moore's religious crusade.''``It's high time Moore learned that the source of U.S. law is the constitution and not the Bible,'' Lynn said.Lynn's organization, along with the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery and the American Civil Liberties Union represented three attorneys who objected to the monument.One of Moore's supporters, Alabama Christian Coalition President John Giles, said he believes there may be a backlash against the ruling in Alabama, a Bible Belt state in which Moore won easily two years ago.``I am afraid the judge's order putting a 30-day limit on removal of the monument will lead to an uprising of citizens protesting removal of that monument,'' Giles said.Moore installed the monument after the building closed on the night of July 31, 2001, without telling any other justices. But he did tell television evangelist D. James Kennedy, who had a crew from his Coral Ridge, Fla., ministry film the installation and offered videotapes of it for a donation of $19.Moore has appeared numerous times on Kennedy's nationally syndicated religious television show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted November 19 Author Report Share Posted November 19 It's great that judge defended the constitution's mandate of seperation of church and state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0nythelover Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 Moore is wrong in so many ways. First of all his own god would not approve of this because christians are not supposed to worship anything other than god, no idols nothing. secondly this is not a violation of the first amendment. freedom of speech and secretly installing a 5,300lb monument in a government building are totally different. then the whole idea of a religion profiting off this secret use of government property, thats breaking a whole bunch of other laws. its ridiuculous what people think they can get away with. it doesnt matter if its in the bible belt cuz the law is the law and any civilian "uprising" will be put down by the police. the u.s. law is built on the english commonlaw system actually, and not the bible. thats why we dont stone homosexuals or jews or muslims or anyone that goes against the bible. sure the law might have some things in common with the bible like thall shalt not kill but thats different than saying our law comes from the bible. crazy justices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted November 20 Author Report Share Posted November 20 Originally posted by t0nythelover Moore is wrong in so many ways. First of all his own god would not approve of this because christians are not supposed to worship anything other than god, no idols nothing. secondly this is not a violation of the first amendment. freedom of speech and secretly installing a 5,300lb monument in a government building are totally different. then the whole idea of a religion profiting off this secret use of government property, thats breaking a whole bunch of other laws. its ridiuculous what people think they can get away with. it doesnt matter if its in the bible belt cuz the law is the law and any civilian "uprising" will be put down by the police. the u.s. law is built on the english commonlaw system actually, and not the bible. thats why we dont stone homosexuals or jews or muslims or anyone that goes against the bible. sure the law might have some things in common with the bible like thall shalt not kill but thats different than saying our law comes from the bible. crazy justices. I agree with you on this wholeheartedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehog Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 I whant to take that guitar and smash it over your fucking head.You hate the US so much then leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnice35 Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 Originally posted by thehog I whant to take that guitar and smash it over your fucking head.You hate the US so much then leave. Hog take a number bud, Theres a line full of people wanting to smack some sence into this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted November 21 Author Report Share Posted November 21 Originally posted by thehog I whant to take that guitar and smash it over your fucking head.You hate the US so much then leave. :lol3: Originally posted by dnice35 Hog take a number bud, Theres a line full of people wanting to smack some sence into this guy. :lol3: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted November 21 Author Report Share Posted November 21 The both of you are soooo mature . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnice35 Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 And you are an idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted November 21 Author Report Share Posted November 21 Originally posted by dnice35 And you are an idiot ...and what are you gonna do about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnice35 Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 Unfortunately I dont have you around to smack around, so I guess for the mean time I cant do much, other than point out and correct the bull shit lies you post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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