NY Giants

[clubbingirl]

bet u...its still burning them [nyg] today.

[reddog4063]

all my friends who are eagles fans are busting my chops today....

Originally posted by hotcheme

hey joe....

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!!

[HAZE]

Did you guys see on the news? The guy who was supposed to catch the ball WAS AN ELIGIBLE RECIEVER!!! So, it really WAS Pass interferance. Giants should have gotten the ball on the 2 yard line!!! The officials apoligized to the Giants and said it was a mistake. A lot of good that does us now!!!!

[ferris2]

the new york football giants got screwed..even though they didn't deserve to win they still should have gotten another shot. the NFL said today that the officials were suppose to call pass interference on the final play. they didn't because they thought the receiver was ineligible but he was really on the end of the line. that would have gave them a final play from like the 10 yard line but it don;t matter cuz the guy woulda missed anyway. fuck it

j-e-t-s:D

[pookie23]

Originally posted by fierydesire

I won't root for the Jets. . . Fuck that!!!

We don't want your ass on our ever growing bandwagon anyways!!

[fierydesire]

Originally posted by spragga25

We don't want your ass on our ever growing bandwagon anyways!!

Exactly your growing bandwagon. . . where are the real Jet fans . . . what all the BIG BLUE switched over. . . Shit thats not a real fan:mad: `

[househead24]

I have no comment on yesterday's Giants game, none what so ever....They played such good football the whole game....Collins had a great game so did Toomer, Barber and Shockey and we just handed it back to em in the 4th, Ridiculous....They sign a Fcukin' guy to long snap and he cant even do his job....They can never play 4 quarters of football...Now lets hope the other NY team can keep the city alive, Good Luck J-E-T-S

This was me the last few minutes of the 4th quarter...Shocked

[Codica3]

84 days 'til Opening Day.

[pookie23]

Originally posted by codica3

84 days 'til Opening Day.

YANKEES SUCK!!!

[Codica3]

Originally posted by spragga25

YANKEES SUCK!!!

Yeah we'll fucking see. :rolleyes:

[pookie23]

Originally posted by codica3

Yeah we'll fucking see. :rolleyes:

Damn right...by July, the Mets bandwagon will be just as big as the Jets!!

[gmoneyjive]

Originally posted by hotcheme

hey joe....

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!!

YEAH BABY!! I'm assuming you'll be at the game saturday night too... we gotta tailgate together

As much as I hate the Giants as an Eagles fan, I do feel bad that they lost a chance at the game due to a bad call. But, they wouldn't have had the ball on the 2 (or 10) even with a pass interference call, there was another ineligible man downfield so there woulda been offsetting penalties and they would have another shot at a 41 yard try... with the Giants long snapper and kicker that's no guarantee by any means. And, I can't feel too bad because they blew a 24 point lead to put themselves in that situation anyway...

[hotcheme]

Originally posted by gmoneyjive

YEAH BABY!! I'm assuming you'll be at the game saturday night too... we gotta tailgate together

As much as I hate the Giants as an Eagles fan, I do feel bad that they lost a chance at the game due to a bad call. But, they wouldn't have had the ball on the 2 (or 10) even with a pass interference call, there was another ineligible man downfield so there woulda been offsetting penalties and they would have another shot at a 41 yard try... with the Giants long snapper and kicker that's no guarantee by any means. And, I can't feel too bad because they blew a 24 point lead to put themselves in that situation anyway...

yep of course i will be there and hopefully next week too. i am glad you got tickets. see you there.

[Codica3]

Originally posted by spragga25

Damn right...by July, the Mets bandwagon will be just as big as the Jets!!

Fuck the Mets.

What a sorry ass team. :laugh:

And I'm supposing you think the Red Sox will actually *make* it to Series as well.

:laugh:

[misssf]

Cold comfort: NFL admits officials blew Giants call

Tuesday, January 07, 2003

By TARA SULLIVAN

Staff Writer

Trey Junkin, who had two bad snaps during the Giants'loss to the 49'ers, leaving with his belongings after cleaning out his locker. (CARMINE GALASSO/THE RECORD)

Add the National Football League officials to the list of those who messed up on the final play of the Giants-San Francisco 49ers playoff game Sunday.

The NFL released a statement Monday that its crew of officials erred by not calling a pass-interference penalty on the 49ers on the game's final play, and that the Giants should have been awarded another down of football.

The Giants, who lost the game, 39-38, would have earned a second chance to attempt the 41-yard field goal they had botched with six seconds remaining.

The game-ending play began with Trey Junkin's second consecutive bad snap, which led holder Matt Allen to abort the field-goal attempt and look for a receiver downfield. He targeted guard Rich Seubert, an offensive lineman who normally would not be a viable receiver but who on field-goal attempts routinely reports to officials and lines up as an eligible receiver.

Before having a chance to catch the ball, Seubert was tackled by 49ers defensive end Chike Okeafor. When reviewing videotape of the play Monday, NFL Director of Officials Mike Pereira said Okeafor had indeed "interfered with Seubert downfield when he was attempting to catch Giants' holder Matt Allen's pass."

The NFL also admitted Monday that "if defensive pass interference had been called, there would have been offsetting penalties [ineligible receiver against the Giants and pass interference against the 49ers] with the down replayed at the original line of scrimmage, the San Francisco 23-yard line.

Although time had expired, a game cannot end with offsetting penalties. Thus, the game would have been extended by one untimed down.

"It doesn't do us a damn bit of good," Giants head coach Jim Fassel said Monday afternoon at Giants Stadium in East Rutherford. "It is water under the bridge. It was clearly pass interference. How they missed that, I do not know."

Referee Ron Winter said after the game that "there was no pass interference [because] the receiver was ineligible." He was speaking of Seubert, whom the crew mistakenly believed to be ineligible to catch a pass.

Winter indicated that call was not made because it would not have mattered anyway. Asked by two reporters on the field about 60 minutes after the game about the penalty, Pereira said the Giants had as many as three ineligible players downfield, all of whom negated any pass-interference call.

"It's hard for them to make calls like that at the end of the game," said one Giants player who did not want his name used. "It's one thing if they don't want to call it, but it's another thing if they don't know who's eligible.

"It's not a missed call. These guys are human. But you're talking about an instance of management of the game. They should get it right at the right time."

Fassel heard from the league office early Monday afternoon about the mistake, but chose not to share the information with his players because he did not want to offer up any excuses for a game the Giants led by 24 points late in the third quarter. Word spread anyway, with general manager Ernie Accorsi taking a call in California from a league official explaining what happened.

Accorsi, who stayed on the West Coast to scout a college football all-star game, was reminded of an infamous college football game involving an illegal fifth down.

"Unlike the 1940 Cornell-Dartmouth game, they're not giving it back," Accorsi said. "They [the officials] didn't build a 24-point lead, and they didn't lose a 24-point lead. I don't think we feel it was taken from us. This doesn't make us feel any better, and it's a bitter pill. If they said we could get back on a plane I'd go, but I don't think you can turn it around and say it's why we lost the game."

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said back judge Scott Green, who had responsibility for the call, would not be reprimanded by the league. Green was the back judge in last year's Super Bowl because he was the highest-rated official at his position during the season.

For Fassel, the words do little to assuage his disappointment.

"I expected them to [admit it]," he said. "I saw it on tape [Monday] morning. It was pass interference, clearly. So them confirming it is, 'OK, at least you are honest.' It is not going to change anything."

***

UPON FURTHER REVIEW

NFL Director of Officiating Mike Pereira looked at the videotape of Sunday's Giants-San Francisco 49ers game and determined the Giants should have had another shot at a field goal to win. His explanation:

Officials were correct to flag Giants left guard Tam Hopkins (No. 65) as an ineligible receiver downfield after the Giants blew a field-goal attempt on the final play.

But on the same play, officials overlooked interference by the 49ers against Giants guard Rich Seubert (No. 69). Seubert, who had lined up as an eligible receiver, was the target of a last-second desperation pass.

If defensive pass interference had been called, that penalty would have offset the ineligible-receiver penalty. A game cannot end on offsetting penalties. So the down should have been replayed from the original line of scrimmage, the San Francisco 23-yard line.

Game officials will never be perfect. Here are some of the most infamous instances of officiating in history:

•1972 USA-USSR Olympic basketball final. After time expired, the officials reset the clock twice and the Soviets hit a basket to win, 51-50.

•Don Denkinger's call. He called the Royals' Jorge Orta safe at first in the ninth inning of Game 6 against the Cardinals, and KC won the 1985 Series in Game 7.

•Trent Tucker's three-pointer. The Knicks' guard caught an inbounds pass and hit a trey - all with two-tenths of a second remaining - against the Bulls in 1990, prompting a tip-in rule for plays with three-tenths or less to play.

•The Pine Tar Game. Royals' George Brett used a bat covered to the logo in pine tar to hit a homer against the Yanks in 1983. He was ruled out but the homer was later allowed to stand and the game was resumed at a later date.

•Fiesta Bowl flag. A disputed pass interference call against Miami's Glenn Sharpe on fourth down gives Ohio State life in the first overtime, and the Buckeyes win the 2003 Fiesta Bowl in double OT for the national championship.

•Vinny Testaverde's helmet TD. The Jets' QB was awarded a TD even though the Seahawks stopped him a yard short of the end zone in 1998.

Tara Sullivan's e-mail address is sullivan@northjersey.com

[LogiKandReasoN]

They shouldnt even had said anything bout the botched call. Giants fans usually blame their own team, we're hurting enough. Don't need to add insult to injury.