What with the lighting at space?

[nexusgroove]

I been going to space for 2 years str8...

And with respect to the programmers and designers,,,, WTF... they use the SAME PINK and PURPLE scenes..... if not teal and purple..... Why don't they up grade their programs? DUmp all the programs they have and start new.... Maybe its me, I have been programming events for a few years and I notice this stuff....

I been doing lighting in the electronic music scene for a few years now and really disagree, such a wonderful venue with limted lighting.... that place should blow up with color and effects..... LightJockey can do more then what is applied at space..... Hope to see a new show soon...

I remember the first VIP Card, the picture on the card of the blue room with a nice light pattern... you'll never see that pattern at space again... just pink, teal and purple.

Just speaking my mind.....

admin@concpetentertainment.com

Eddie

LD-Light Tech

LightJockey Specialist

[nexusgroove]

if I had a day there.......

[pod]

Not sure when the last time you went to Space was, but Greg tends to utilize greens, reds, and blues as much as he uses pink and purple. He'll stick with a color scheme for like a half hour though, maybe you hit him in a pink and purple moment. On average, the cues are programmed for a few minutes in length, and obviously colors can be changed and overlaid on these basic cues.

A good LD doesn't go buck wild with the colors though...the key is producing something consistent and pleasing. It would not make sense to go from a blue/green program and then all of the sudden it's white and magenta for 10 minutes. As a quick burst to accentuate a buildup, yeah, but not full-on. A good LD programs like a DJ mixes...and in my mind Space has the best LD in town.

A full reprogram is kind of out of the question though at this time, the new Space is going to be opening in a month or so, so it's not worth it.

[nexusgroove]

I been on their PC..... I seen the programs... must of them are macros... and using the 2532 DIrect access is out of the question.... u better using hotkeys. I don't know who Greg is? atleast by name. and I was at space 12/27th....

I hope the new space has a creative programmer and some Atomics on the DJ BOOTH and some MAC 2000's.... I know hates bright lighting, but why invest in so many fixtures if ur not going to blow the crowd up...

"A good LD programs like a DJ mixes...and in my mind Space has the best LD in town." YOu should see my mixing... last event CandyLand 7 - main room!

and as for as the best LD in town.... dunno... I think a GOOD LD is one that can work on any light board.

Peace....

POD = FROM SOBE LIQUID?

[pod]

The same. They were a big client of mine last year. Despite the internal political battles, I had my fun there. I provided photo documentation for the company and did a little lighting work on the side for them...I'm not the best programmer in the world, but I do know my LightJockey software...

Did we meet at one point?

EDIT: geez I'm slow today. Greg's the tall black guy that's always there.

[nexusgroove]

Not In person that I know of, but in this lil place we call Cyber.... we have crossed path..... I have been around since the start of URBANRAVE.COM, that where we have crossed... I was grooveradio 107.1FM, Grooveradio2000.com, Groovemiami.com

I also worked with the company that installed the lighting and sound at liquid, spin, level, barCode, static..ect...

Peace..

Aol SN: Nexusgroove

LD

[pod]

hehe that was the first website I shot for a couple of years ago...

So you do work with Infinite then?

[nexusgroove]

Nope... no more infinite..... not for awhile.... the owner is hell and not really a honest person...

one thing is tring to make money, and really f*cking people for money....

I'm sure u heard lotz of Lord Toussaint.....

[pod]

Did you see the interview he did with Club Systems International a while back?

[andrewthomas]

I think space lights are ok considering what they are working with.

the cielings are low so they cant really get down with a sick light show.

i do think they need to get rid of those moving eyeball pins or whatever they are called they look like a light rotating on an XYZ axis.

and get some intelibeams or technobeams in there.

the lighting is not to inteligent in there.

ive been to clubs where every time they changed the light scheme i swore i thought i was in a different place ide be standing in one spot and get lost by the lights.

revlon is by far one of the best light techs i have seen in a long ass time.

maybe space should bring him in

[pod]

The 'moving eyeballs' are MAC 250s and 300s...pretty decent fixtures.

Intellabeams? Umm I can get 5 busted up ones for 10 dollars...very old lights. Good in some cases, but totally supplanted by Trackspots and Technobeams.

One of the better LDs in town in Jorge Tellez over at Level. He's got a huge room and rig to deal with MAC 500s, 600 NTs, Roboscan 918s...decent rig...he puts on some killer shows in there.

Reason why all the clubs down here use Martins is because Martin has it's US HQ in Fort Lauderdale, they practically give the fixtures away to the larger clubs. Though most owners I've talked to want to go with Highend, but Martin makes it damn near impossible with the pricing they offer...

Maze broke the mold though recently...they've got 20 Trackspots, 8 Technobeams, and about 20 various fixtures from coemar...not a Martin to be found. Plus with mobile truss, it's even better Though the Maze crew is from Dallas, where Highend is located so...

It's not the lights, 90% of the time, it is the operator...I saw some examples of this in New York, the lighting was there, but the guy running it did not know jack...colors and chaos.

[andrewthomas]

no joke if u can get cheap intellabeams i wannt buy them

track spots are the smaller version of intellas but they dont handle what intallas can techno beams are intellabeams but the new models basicly..

ya martin and vestax and stanton in ft laud.

but martin is very low end to be honest..

if u wanna go all out u can get those clay pakys which i havent seen around in florida at all i seen very few clubs in ny with them but they are great lights..

mobil truss is great to have people might not think theres a difference but there is..

things with that macs is that during a light show the lights have to "sweep" cause the motor rotates and pivits on 2 axels taking longer to reach a destination point rather then the beam type lighting has 1 ball point type pivot and it can virtualy be at a +180 degree one sec and a .002 second later it can be at a -180 degree

[nexusgroove]

I agree with Pod. It's the operator that makes the show... Space has some of the most current updated lights, Moving Heads are todays light and Mirror is almost out... (Good for effects)... A peogrammer has to like the music, be creative and have an eye for color. Electronic music is one of the best types of music for lighting, we can turn the club into a transport deck. And He's right about martin, they would give you 10 FIxture for the price of 7, and now they have a new sound system (Mach) the rocks so be on the look out, the new space will have the system in atleast 2 rooms. Ultra is mostly done in Martin Mac, HighEnd, and Coemar (all moving eyeball pins ), I think Elation is trying to get in too now(Elation is good, but breakdown tooo offten)

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Yeah I was working at Infinite when Lord did his interview with club systems, Seth(ocen drive) took all the pics. The showroom was the shit when I was doing the demo's, Infinite was a good Idea, just a bad owner messed it all up. We had the demo room with about 20 Fixtures, Kryogen, Nexo, and Eaw... but people can't stand the owner.. For those who saw the demo's at my control know what a cool thing it was, nexo rep's loves it. I went to the martin office and saw their demo.. WOW. nice... a must see for those in production.

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I HOPE OPERATION SPACE 2 get a NEXO Rig in the MAIN ROOM...!

They had a Nexo rig at space for PVD as Demo, but Luis (Space) Said it was running at 50% most the night and as soon an they gave more power to the monster you felt it in ur mind, body and soul! I wounder if space updated their lightjocky.. last time I was in the booth they have Ver. 1.5 running, lol and where where at 2.3

[pod]

Space and Spin have the latest LJ software now.

Hehe...Andrew, why would ya want Intellabeams, when the Cyberlights and the Technobeams do everything they do, and then some? Unless you want them for nostalgic reasons. I almost converted the shells of 4 Intellabeams into a table, but they were all rusted out so no go. Not to knock the fixtures, they kicked ass for their day, but nowadays they're obsolete. Unless you're doing an early 90's scene for a club movie

Martins certainly are not low-end either. Dealer cost alone is at least 3 grand per fixture, and street price even more. As for your preference for moving mirror fixtures, they have their place, but need to be applied in the right way, otherwise it gets too chaotic...again operator skill....I don't want massive strobing all night long.

As for the moving mirror type of fixtures you enjoy...Any moving mirror fixture can do a 180 degree arc in less than a second...the true test of that sort of fixture is how accurate and slow it can go without stuttering...Space has Roboscan 918s, which do exactly what you say. crobar has 'em, Maze of course has the 20 Trackspots and 8 Technobeams, which I mentioned previously. Spin has Trackspots and Coemar Digiscans...same deal.

Clay Paky (www.claypaky.it) makes some wonderful fixtures, some LDs regard them as top. But I'm not going to deploy a hugely-expensive fixture that needs spares from Italy in a club, where it will be constantly assaulted by smoke and other debris. There's a reason Martin, Highend and in some cases Coemar are routinely deployed in clubs, ruggedness, and overall price/performance ratio. I could get 2 Martin RS 918s for the price of 1 Clay Paky Golden Scan HPE. Plus, the Martin will integrate easily with my existing control surface (LJ most likely, or a Hog 1000 like at crobar) rather than having to find a library for it, and hoping the hell it works...though that's the least of my worries...my main worry is maintenance cost with a Clay Paky.

I'm sure Space version 2.0 is going to have a lighting system that will blow each of us away...some of the manufacturers' reps I know are jonesing to sell Space their latest gear...

[andrewthomas]

trackspots are just as old as intellabeams actually and ide take the intellabeams anyday for a mobil party or something ..

never know when u gonna wanna throw a party in the woods or somewhere with no lighting and they would definitly do the job. lol..

god himself coulda created the software but what good is it if the tech cant utilize it and the macs cant move as fast..

i might be old fasion but ill stick with the mirror..

and since when was it soo important for a club to have such a steady slow moving light? and of ur gonan need light for a stage shot ur obviouslt not gonna use beams ur gonna use spotlights or u can use a mac..

just like the analog vs digital discussion..

new technology is not always better

[pod]

Well, it's not important to have a steady light in a club really, since the lighting is pretty much in motion for 10 hours straight. But it's a general quality check if you will If that fixture can be rock-solid on a point, the build is generally better.

Fast isn't always the key, like I've been saying. The best rigs have moving mirror fixtures for fast purposes, and yoke fixtures (let's use the proper term hehe) to do washes and spot techniques...the best clubs always have both on hand. The advantage to a yoke fixture is more range of motion, and in some cases higher light output...a Highend x.Spot HO is bloody bright (plus it has onboard ethernet...give the fixture an IP address and all..)...

Well, at least you concur that it's all in the operator. What would you say a good operator should do? What club in Miami has the best lighting in your book? Where should I go in New York to see good lighting? I went to Arc, which had a decent show, and Centro-Fly, which had a horrible show...good case of good gear/bad operator...

I'll give ya that, the Trackspot design is almost as old as the Intellabeam, but they still make Trackspots, and there's a Trackspot 2 currently in final testing. I can't guarantee nothing, but I'll see about those Intellabeams for you if you're serious...if not I can usually find good rates on most other lighting...

[andrewthomas]

well honestly hands down without ANY questioning sound factory has the best lights and im not just saying that..

SF is legandery for thier systems and lightings and they did have the best light tech around i dunno if u ever heard of him but

his name is steve revlon (goddess of lights)and anyone around this guys unbelievable

he could make me trip out even when i was sober just on the lights

but sf is not the same ever since he left

yes thats true that both are definitly needed but u can NOT get away with a full yoke club

if anything more mirrors should be used though

[missmo]

Hello Ladies-

You are all fabulously informed nerds with huge appetites for technichal information which you wil never use except for the purposes of idle geek gossip. How I envy you both. (I am speaking from a club-goer's perspective, so bear with).

Regardless of how intellectually unbalanced this rebuttal may seem, I believe Greg, the "lanky gentleman of african american descent " as you described, is an extremely talented and passionate lighting director, by anyone's standards. Space, like many underground nightclubs, has a distinct vibe, personality and a predetermined aesthetic that may or may not be to everyone's liking or understanding. However, we need to accept this FACT, and respect that Greg carries out part of the vision (no pun intended) that Luis has for Space, regardless of whether or not we understand this vision. I would encourage the biggest critics of Space to go and enjoy themselves without any expectations (like MOST Space-Cadets) instead of sabotaging any kind of experience you might have there. I often arrive in an unassuming dress just so i can blend in among the masses and try to experience an event as a layperson does- without pretence or expectations of any kind. Once you can do this, TRUST begins to develop between the entertainment and the entertained, and a following is born. Knowing why things are done or how they are done or with what tools they are accomplished with suddenly becomes less important than YOUR individual experience of the music and the lights and what it contributes to YOUR understanding of yourself. Space is a gateway to self discovery, much like the Sound Factory and Twilo in NYC and Edge (Ft. Laud. and Orlando) was for hundreds of thousands of underground clubbers in the mid nineties. So enjoy it while you can... Things may not always be as "good" as they are now.

My point is. . . there is an entire philosophy that embodies every LJ program on that board, every CD hanging in the blue room by fisherman's wire and we must search for it's meaning in that context, rather than our own uninformed opinions about the place. Does anyone realize that we are writing OUR history every weekend?? Supporters of the vision help to unveil an aspect of culture which might otherwise be overlooked. I don't know about anyone else, but I want my grandkids to know that I supported an artistic and cultural movement in its beginning stages of development so that they could enjoy it and learn from it as well. Music is a beautiful thing. Let us not destroy the very reason it is played.

Thank you for your time and attention.

Go to Space. Support LOCAL DJ's and artists. Buy music, don't download it for free. You'll feel better about yourself and the world. Love your life.

Missmo-

philosopher, cultural vigilante, local superhero

[andrewthomas]

ok i dissagree with 1 thing

back then it was for the music and the fun

now everyting is for publicity and money and whatever else the scene should not be built around

[missmo]

Isn't it still for the music and the fun??

Why give any power at all to what others are doing with the scene. the winds of change are upon us- the advent of the VIP room has shifted the focus of clubbing, (FOR SOME) yet we still are fortunate enough to get top notch entertainment from around the globe. I love high rollers. they pay for DANNY Tenaglia, Deep Dish,Sasha, DIgweed, PVD, ALL the A-list DJ's who command (sometimes) 20K- 50K and up. who cares if the people who buy bottles don't know trance from house?? there will always be ignorant people around you. Focus on you, not on them

Missmo-

Philosopher, vigilante, local superhero:hat:

[andrewthomas]

guess what these djs all have spun for free and will still do so

theres a $5 party in ny called tronictreatment www.trinictreatment.com

all those djs spin for free for the luv of it and the party holds no more then 300 people maxx

where in florida do they do that?

SO NO MIAMIS SCENE IS FOR THE MONEY!!

lets see space have a free entry night not like it would hurt them so much to have one of those

[mrmatas2277]

Originally posted by andrewthomas

all those djs spin for free for the luv of it and the party holds no more then 300 people maxx

where in florida do they do that?

Jail @ Bentley Lounge (Saturdays)....

[pod]

No respectable club in Miami exclusively uses yoke lighting...each venue is a mix of both types

[nexusgroove]

touching..... really.. There was never a disrespect to space or Greg, just noted my opinions about the lighting. Opinions are what human are good at.

ALL LD's HAVE THIER WAY OF DESIGN AND A DJ HAS HIS OWN TOUCH IN MUSIC. JUST SOME MUCH MORE CREATIVE THEN OTHERS, PLAY YOUR ROLE, MOVE ON..

TRACKSPOTS ARE ONE OF THE MOST KNOW FIXTURES ON THE MARKET! 15 Year Fixture with beats it's sister the TECHNOBEam with it's lil red laser. TIll this day I would use a track spot in one of my shows. @SPin we installed a few, and I think it fills in the club by alot, nothing compared to the DIgiScan 575's but in my book the same..

Ok... this ""TECH"" Topic had received alot of attention.. so whats up for the weekend

[festivalcre8or]

DESIGN, DESIGN, DESIGN, DESIGN, DESIGN

Where is it? All I see is a bunch of clubs getting the great deal from Martin, PERIOD!!!

When FACADE closed down, the best club lighting system in Miami closed with it and there hasn't been anything to rival that system since. Why? To many clubowners want the killer deal and not the killer DESIGN.

Club lighting is more that FLASH AND TRASH.

I see you guys talking about Lighting Directors. Come on. Clubs in Miami don't have Lighting Directors. All of these guys are buttom pushers. PERIOD!!

But hey, what do I know. I've only been in the lighting business for 15 years.

PS.

The Light Jockey is for the Minor Leagues. One day all of these guys will grow up and strat using HOG PC so they can then go on and use the HOG 3 and make real money doing real projects.