mugwump Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 I just watched a snip of it.WOW! Shocking images.Any of you seen it yet?Whataya think? Is thematerial girl cashing in on war ordo you see it as a brave artisticexpression for peace? Is thisANTI-AMERICAN?Or is she just the same brilliantbad ass that she's always been?See story below:***********************Madonna Defends Her Violent 'American Life' VideoWhen details of Madonna's graphic anti-war video for "American Life" were revealed last week, some people accused the pop queen of being downright un-American.That's not how she sees it. For Madonna, issuing a video depicting her throwing a hand grenade during a fashion show, cavorting with a brigade of female soldiers and displaying the atrocities of war is as American as the First Amendment."I feel lucky to be an American citizen for many reasons — one of which is the right to express myself freely, especially in my work," she said in a statement.(In addition to supporting her right to create controversial art, in her statement Madonna insisted that she's not "anti-Bush" or "pro-Iraq. She's "pro-peace," and just critical of the perception many people have of what it means to be an American. This sentiment is echoed throughout the song, which isn't about war, but rather addresses materialism."I have written a song and created a video which expresses my feelings about our culture and values and the illusions of what many people believe is the American dream — the perfect life," she said. She added that she concocted the imagery of "American Life" not to offend orincite, but to inspire."As an artist, I hope this provokes thought and dialogue," she said. "I don't expect everyone to agree with my point of view. I am grateful to have the freedom to express these feelings, and that's how I honor my country."The "American Life" video was directed by Jonas Akerlund, who also helmed Madonna's "Ray of Light" and "Music" videos, and was shot in Los Angeles the first week of February. Shortly after it was filmed, Madonna's label issued a statement. "[The video] expresses a panoramic view of our culture and looming war through the view of a female superhero portrayed by Madonna. Starting as a runway show of couture army fatigues, the fashion show escalates into a mad frenzy depicting the catastrophic repercussions and horrors of war" FULL STORY FROM MTV.COM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djfabioc Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 No,but i like the remix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugwump Posted March 31 Author Report Share Posted March 31 Who-s the mix by?Anyone seen this video yet?WHATAYA THINK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizard23 Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 Hmmm...Considering that one of her first hits was "Material Girl" and that she resides in London full time now, I really think that the opinions she expresses in this new song/video cannot be taken seriously. I understand that she's grown up and matured, but I really feel that she's lost her prime and is just latching on to the latest controversies to stay popular. I haven't been impressed with her the past few years, so I don't really have any thoughts/opinions on her latest work b/c it's all BS to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djfabioc Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 Originally posted by mugwump Who-s the mix by?Anyone seen this video yet?WHATAYA THINK? Madonna - American Life (C'Machia EQ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugwump Posted March 31 Author Report Share Posted March 31 Originally posted by lizard23 Hmmm...Considering that one of her first hits was "Material Girl" and that she resides in London full time now, I really think that the opinions she expresses in this new song/video cannot be taken seriously. I understand that she's grown up and matured, but I really feel that she's lost her prime and is just latching on to the latest controversies to stay popular. I haven't been impressed with her the past few years, so I don't really have any thoughts/opinions on her latest work b/c it's all BS to me. hmmm..she still looks hot forher age though don't she? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizard23 Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 Oh, definately - she's extremely hot, has a great voice and still good at doing what she does best (besides singing) - stirring up controversy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassa Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 Originally posted by lizard23 Hmmm...Considering that one of her first hits was "Material Girl" and that she resides in London full time now, I really think that the opinions she expresses in this new song/video cannot be taken seriously. I understand that she's grown up and matured, but I really feel that she's lost her prime and is just latching on to the latest controversies to stay popular. I haven't been impressed with her the past few years, so I don't really have any thoughts/opinions on her latest work b/c it's all BS to me. so what? that means she's not entitled to her opinion? this was a really stupid comment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdeelite Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 I've seen the full video...all I can say is WOW....The woman has def. still got it.Now, I know I am a fan...but after hearing the song (which is growing on me but initially I hated) with the video images to go along with it, it has made me appreciate the song more musically and lyrically.Agree with her or disagree with her, you have to love her for the sheer fact that she speaks and expresses her mind without giving a rat's ass what anyone else thinks. At least she has something to say, which is more than I can say for most of today's artists.The video and the song seems to be more a tongue n cheek criticism of american society...and yes I suppose it is anti-war in certain parts but by no means is it pro-iraq or blatantly anti-american. After all, Madonna is as American as you can get..if it wasn't for free speech in this country she would be fucked and probably would not even have a career.Yes, she used to be a material girl of sorts but she's obviously matured and changed throughout the yrs, just as any normal human being does. It is just harder for us to accept b/c her image has been burned into our brain repeatedly throughout the past 20 yrs., so it is hard for us to identify her with anything else. It's even hard for me, who is a fan who should be supposedly open to any change she has in store.The video is an artistic expression made thru music and video with amazing concepts and direction. In typical Madonna style. It's her doing what she does best.As for ppl who think her career is over...it ain't happening yet. But hey, that's just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glowgrlnyc Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 she's brilliant... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizard23 Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 Originally posted by sassa so what? that means she's not entitled to her opinion? this was a really stupid comment... Well, I'm entitled to my opinion too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugwump Posted April 1 Author Report Share Posted April 1 FUCK..looks like you guysaren't gonna gettoo watch it after all..MADONNA PULLS NEW SHOCK VIDEO IN USA; SCENES OF TRANSVESTITE SOLDIERS, GRENADE THROWN AT BUSH; DEBUTS IN GERMANY **Exclusive** AOLTIMEWARNER recording mogul Madonna late Monday announced she will not release her shock video AMERICAN LIFE in the United States -- a short which depicted soldiers dressed as transvestites in a fashion show along with a scene of the star throwing a grenade at a President Bush look-alike! "I do not want to risk offending anyone who might misinterpret the meaning of this video," Madonna announced. Instead, AMERICAN LIFE aired Monday night on German Music TV. It received strong applause from those in the studio. MORE The DRUDGE REPORT obtained the clip, which is by far the most controversial work ever made by the artist. Scenes of stealth bombers and missile launches are edited with flashes of the American flag, while Madonna is shown urinating on a toilet. Later, images of mushroom clouds are mixed with innocent faces of Iraqi children. "F**k It!" Madonna says in the video, moments before she pulls the pin on a grenade and throws it at a President Bush look alike. The "president" picks up the lit grenade that Madonna throws -- and lights his cigar with it! The image is "my wish to find an alternative to violence to war and destruction," the singer said over the weekend before deciding to shelve the project. "...It's me being ironic and tongue in cheek." MORE Madonna claims the video has been "the subject of rumors and misinformation." "It was filmed before the war started," she explains, "and I do not believe it is appropriate to air it at this time." Last month, the DRUDGE REPORT revealed in an exclusive how editing was in progress on "the most shocking anti-war, anti-Bush statement yet to come from the showbusiness industry." "[AMERICAN LIFE] may still get aired this week throughout Europe," a WARNER BROS. source said late Monday. It was not immediately clear if the 5-minute video would be offered for purchase in the United States. As the NEW YORK TIMES questioned if the superstar "may be looking at the final stages of a long career." Developing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdeelite Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 Yup...that sucks....The video aesthetically was amazing...but there were images of war within the video, and I can see why she pulled it, tho I am dissapointed.I am sure she'll release to video some time in the future when it is easier to absorb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petp Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 isnt this the same person who once sang about being a 'material girl'?!??!?the song sucks. the video sucks. she sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdeelite Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 Originally posted by petp isnt this the same person who once sang about being a 'material girl'?!??!?the song sucks. the video sucks. she sucks. Yeah it's kinda weird but ppl grow u know....Are u the same person u were when you were 12? No. It's the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petp Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 Originally posted by sdeelite It's the same thing. i dont have several hundred million dollars in the bank though. she seems awfully hypocritical to me though. typical BS that spews from a democrats mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizard23 Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 petp - you made the same point that I made earlier in the thread. I have not been able to take her seriously since she was in that movie a few years ago (The Next Best Thing maybe?) Where her best friend was a gay guy and they slept together and she got pregnant. A big 2 thumbs down! I heard she sucked in the new James Bond movie too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdeelite Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 Originally posted by lizard23 petp - you made the same point that I made earlier in the thread. I have not been able to take her seriously since she was in that movie a few years ago (The Next Best Thing maybe?) Where her best friend was a gay guy and they slept together and she got pregnant. A big 2 thumbs down! I heard she sucked in the new James Bond movie too. her movies have nothing to do with her musical work...and obviously her movie career has been less than stellar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapexec Posted April 2 Report Share Posted April 2 Maddona is a middle aged has been who is so insignificant that she had to spew anti war sentiments for anyone to care about her. I think her, Susan Sarandon, and that gimp Charlie Sheen should move to Kuwait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petp Posted April 2 Report Share Posted April 2 AMEN sapexec!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdeelite Posted April 2 Report Share Posted April 2 I don't know when or how this became a madonna bashing post.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetfun Posted April 2 Report Share Posted April 2 I think she should release it here in the USA, it has been all over entertainment TV shows, many people know about it. I mean if you are going to make a video with a political view point then stand behind it or don't say anything at all. I think she may be scared of not making $ here in the USA. Obviously she is only worried about making $, not "changing the world in her own way" as she stated in an interview I saw. I'm sure that is how she became so successful (create controversy and money first). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdeelite Posted April 2 Report Share Posted April 2 Originally posted by sweetfun I think she should release it here in the USA, it has been all over entertainment TV shows, many people know about it. I mean if you are going to make a video with a political view point then stand behind it or don't say anything at all. I think she may be scared of not making $ here in the USA. Obviously she is only worried about making $, not "changing the world in her own way" as she stated in an interview I saw. I'm sure that is how she became so successful (create controversy and money first). I am sure there is some truth in that...she is a smart business woman, and always has been, I don't think this situation is any different.At this point in time she can't afford to completely piss people off... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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