danwilson Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/11/19/jackson.ranch/index.htmlMichael Jackson to Surrender on Child Sex Charges Bail set at $3 millionWednesday, November 19, 2003 SANTA BARBARA, California (CNN) -- Authorities have issued an arrest warrant for Michael Jackson on multiple counts of child molestation and have directed him to surrender and turn in his passport, Santa Barbara County authorities said Wednesday. District Attorney Tom Sneddon said Jackson faces multiple counts of lewd or lascivious contact with a child younger than 14. Jackson could face a minimum of three years and a maximum of eight years in prison on each count if convicted. Authorities said bail on the warrant was set at $3 million. A judge has ordered affidavits in the case sealed for 45 days. "We would encourage him to turn himself in and cooperate with law enforcement," said Santa Barbara County Sheriff Jim Anderson. Sneddon said his message for Jackson is: "Get over here and get checked in." Jackson's spokesman, Stuart Backerman, released a statement saying arrangements have been made with the district attorney for Jackson "to return to Santa Barbara to immediately confront and prove these charges unfounded." He promised the allegations will be proved false in court. "Michael would never harm a child in any way," he said. "When the evidence is presented and the allegations proven to be malicious and wholly unfounded, Michael will be able to put this nightmare behind him." Sneddon said child molestation charges will be filed soon. No civil suit has been filed in the case and none is expected, he said. "We have a cooperative victim in this particular proceeding," Sneddon said. Authorities asked other possible victims to come forward. CBS announced Wednesday that "given the gravity of the charges" against Jackson it was postponing a special program on him scheduled for November 26. The allegations come almost a decade after Jackson settled a lawsuit filed on behalf of a boy who slept over at Neverland Ranch when he was 13 and accused Jackson of molesting him. Criminal investigators stopped pursuing their case after the lawsuit was settled and the boy -- by then 14 -- made clear he did not want to participate in any prosecution of the singer. The law has since been changed to allow prosecutors to force an alleged molestation victim to testify against a defendant. Sneddon said he did not know whether the parents of the accuser were aware of the past allegations. Dozens of law enforcement officers searched Jackson's Neverland Ranch in Santa Barbara for about 13 hours Tuesday, and search warrants were served on two other locations in Southern California where some property was seized, authorities said. Jackson's mansion is on a 2,600-acre estate about 50 miles (80 kilometers) northwest of Santa Barbara and features amusement park rides, a petting zoo and statues of children. Backerman said the tone of the authorities' news conference was disturbing. "We are disturbed by the levity of the environment surrounding the announcement of these very serious charges," he said. Backerman said the singer has been in Las Vegas, Nevada, for the past two-and-a-half weeks, shooting a video for the song "One More Chance." That single is on his "Number Ones" album, a greatest-hits collection released Tuesday by Epic Records. Questions have been raised about whether the execution of the search warrants was timed to coincide with the music release. Sneddon rejected that idea. "In fact, we were going to execute these warrants several weeks ago, but had to put it off" for operational reasons, he said. "It really has nothing to do with his album or whatever else he's doing in his life." Jackson sings at the Aladdin Hotel on October 27 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department said Santa Barbara police have not asked permission to arrest Jackson in Las Vegas, which they would do if they wanted to arrest him immediately rather than allowing him to return to Santa Barbara and turn himself in. Attorney Mark Geragos -- who has been representing Scott Peterson in a high-profile California trial -- will be Jackson's lead attorney, Backerman said. Brian Oxman, an attorney for the Jackson family, told CNN he believes the investigation stems from someone else seeking financial gain from Jackson. "It is a case of excitement and hysteria because we have the same accusations that we had 10 years ago," he said. "It's like playing the playoffs all over again." Terms of the settlement of the lawsuit -- filed in 1993 and settled the next year -- were confidential, though the boy's attorney said at the time the boy and his family were happy to resolve the matter. Johnnie Cochran, Jackson's attorney in that case, said at the time that Jackson maintained his innocence and that the settlement was in no way an admission of guilt. CNN's Frank Buckley, Charles Feldman and Stan Wilson contributed to this report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xlr8ted Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 Why did Michael Jackson stop being a troop leader in the Cub Scouts?B/c he was up to a pack a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzikchick Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 Did you get this from the Ed Sulivan show, last night?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckord Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 He's a disgrace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someclown Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 This guy is a multiple-timed accused sex offender against children, has enough money to buy off any family AND has an amusement park in his house. Do you think the DA is a little excited? They say they found a hidden room where he has hundreds of pictures of little kids with their shirts off, including Macauley Caulkin. No wonder he became a little crazy during his teenage years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzikchick Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 Pedophelia is a sickness. MJ needs serious help. Why did the parents of that child allow him to go to MJ's with his history, do they live under a rock?Wonder what will happen w/those Jackson children.I so wanted to believe he was innocent. http://www.mjni.com/charity/charities.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudeboyyouth Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 I definitely don't think he suffers from pedophilia, or that he needs any type of clinical help. I would be very surprised if these allegations turn out to be true. I'm sure we'll never know the real facts of the case outside of what is publicized anyhow, at least until the full judicial opinion beomes available for reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzikchick Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 While, ofcourse, no one except a shrink could say for certain, but he does display alot of the charactoristics of a pedophile:Profile of A pedophileIn most cases, you already know one.Accepted by all age groups. Seems to be trustworthy. Usually is a respected member of the community. Mainly interacts with children. Feels more comfortable with children. Is attracted to prepubescent boys and girls. Can be any sexual orientation. "Grooms" his/her way into child's life. (See Grooming Process) Usually picks out needy children, or more vunerable.Will enter a relationship with another that has children of his preferred age group.Rarely forces or coerces a child into sexual contact. Usually through trust and friendship. He/she cares for the child, and does not want to hurt him/her.Contact is progresses over time. i.e. from holding to hugging, to pats on the bottom, to tickling, to kissing, etc.Some pedophiles only need to look. Some need to see children nude. There are many ways a pedophile with abuse a child, without actual sexual intercourse.Wants to be alone with child, seems to want to spend more time with child than even the parants. Are primarily (but not always) male, masculine, better-educated, more religious than average, in their thirties, and choose jobs allowing them greater access to children. Are usually family men, have no criminal record, and deny that they abuse children, even after caught, convicted, incarcerated, and court-ordered into a sex offender program. If a pedophile is married, it usually is filled with sexual dysfunction. The pedophile is merely masking his/her true desires. Many pedophiles have been sexually abused themselves. Even if the pedophile has no children, his home is usually child-friendly, with toys, books, video games, computers, bikes, swing sets, skateboards, rec room, pool, snacks - things to attract children to his home and keep them coming back. Usually the items reflect the preferred age of his victims. A female pedophile usually abuses a child when partnered with an adult male pedophile, and is often herself a victim of chronic sexual abuse. A pedophile can act independently, or be involved in an organized ring, including the Internet, NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association), and other pro-pedophilia groups. Some pedophiles recognize that their behavior is criminal, immoral, and unacceptable by society, and operate in secrecy. Some are quite open and militant about their practices and advocate the normalization of pedophilia under the guise of freedom of speech and press, and uses innocuous language like "intergenerational intimacy." You are currently viewing LFA's Child Abuse Area. To continue to learn more about Child Abuse use the navigation below. If you would like to view our homepage, click the home button below.Please Note: There are many good people out there that fit this description; pedophiles make up a small minority. However, if you suspect an individual, this can be used to reinforce your suspicion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someclown Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 Originally posted by muzikchick While, ofcourse, no one except a shrink could say for certain, but he does display alot of the charactoristics of a pedophile:Profile of A pedophileIn most cases, you already know one.Accepted by all age groups. Seems to be trustworthy. Usually is a respected member of the community. Mainly interacts with children. Feels more comfortable with children. Is attracted to prepubescent boys and girls. Can be any sexual orientation. "Grooms" his/her way into child's life. (See Grooming Process) Usually picks out needy children, or more vunerable.Will enter a relationship with another that has children of his preferred age group.Rarely forces or coerces a child into sexual contact. Usually through trust and friendship. He/she cares for the child, and does not want to hurt him/her.Contact is progresses over time. i.e. from holding to hugging, to pats on the bottom, to tickling, to kissing, etc.Some pedophiles only need to look. Some need to see children nude. There are many ways a pedophile with abuse a child, without actual sexual intercourse.Wants to be alone with child, seems to want to spend more time with child than even the parants. Are primarily (but not always) male, masculine, better-educated, more religious than average, in their thirties, and choose jobs allowing them greater access to children. Are usually family men, have no criminal record, and deny that they abuse children, even after caught, convicted, incarcerated, and court-ordered into a sex offender program. If a pedophile is married, it usually is filled with sexual dysfunction. The pedophile is merely masking his/her true desires. Many pedophiles have been sexually abused themselves. Even if the pedophile has no children, his home is usually child-friendly, with toys, books, video games, computers, bikes, swing sets, skateboards, rec room, pool, snacks - things to attract children to his home and keep them coming back. Usually the items reflect the preferred age of his victims. A female pedophile usually abuses a child when partnered with an adult male pedophile, and is often herself a victim of chronic sexual abuse. A pedophile can act independently, or be involved in an organized ring, including the Internet, NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association), and other pro-pedophilia groups. Some pedophiles recognize that their behavior is criminal, immoral, and unacceptable by society, and operate in secrecy. Some are quite open and militant about their practices and advocate the normalization of pedophilia under the guise of freedom of speech and press, and uses innocuous language like "intergenerational intimacy." You are currently viewing LFA's Child Abuse Area. To continue to learn more about Child Abuse use the navigation below. If you would like to view our homepage, click the home button below.Please Note: There are many good people out there that fit this description; pedophiles make up a small minority. However, if you suspect an individual, this can be used to reinforce your suspicion. Very nice information indeed. Everyone who wants to have, or already has children should read that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxyChic Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 I have been a fan from when I was younger and Believed him last time these matters came up. Lately I have been wondering I mean this time it seems odd and cold. If he was or is innocent why doesn't he just say that to the news media when the police had him in cuffs. I'm sorry but I would so SCREAM I'M INNOCENT if I was ever arrested for a crime I did not commit. He has not said he is innocent his people have that don't prove anything. Another thing Its one thing to fall asleep with your own child while in bed rocking them or watching tv. Its a whole different story when you tell the world you want to sleep with someone's child that's not your boy. Come on he loves children then why isn't any girl children over or why does he have to have sleep overs? WE ALL CAN HELP CHILDREN WITHOUT SLEEPING WITH THEM. That's crazy ness I don't care who the hell you are MY CHILD WOULD NOT BE SLEEPING OVER A GROWN MANS HOUSE. THIS IS NUTS PEOPLE I understand loving music but LOVE YOUR CHILDREN MORE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bklynzzfinest Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 Originally posted by sawe I BET IF YOU ASK ANY BLACK PERSON THEYWILL SAY HE IS INNOCENT LLOLOL Its just "The man" keeping him down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzikchick Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 Did anyone check out the website he put up declaring his innocense? I haven't had a chance to look it up yet."the alegations are completely false", haven't we heard that one b4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgmodel Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 hes INNOCENT~!PSYCHE~! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smgarret Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 Originally posted by danwilson http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/11/19/jackson.ranch/index.htmlMichael Jackson to Surrender on Child Sex Charges Bail set at $3 millionWednesday, November 19, 2003 SANTA BARBARA, California (CNN) -- Authorities have issued an arrest warrant for Michael Jackson on multiple counts of child molestation and have directed him to surrender and turn in his passport, Santa Barbara County authorities said Wednesday. District Attorney Tom Sneddon said Jackson faces multiple counts of lewd or lascivious contact with a child younger than 14. Jackson could face a minimum of three years and a maximum of eight years in prison on each count if convicted. Authorities said bail on the warrant was set at $3 million. A judge has ordered affidavits in the case sealed for 45 days. "We would encourage him to turn himself in and cooperate with law enforcement," said Santa Barbara County Sheriff Jim Anderson. Sneddon said his message for Jackson is: "Get over here and get checked in." Jackson's spokesman, Stuart Backerman, released a statement saying arrangements have been made with the district attorney for Jackson "to return to Santa Barbara to immediately confront and prove these charges unfounded." He promised the allegations will be proved false in court. "Michael would never harm a child in any way," he said. "When the evidence is presented and the allegations proven to be malicious and wholly unfounded, Michael will be able to put this nightmare behind him." Sneddon said child molestation charges will be filed soon. No civil suit has been filed in the case and none is expected, he said. "We have a cooperative victim in this particular proceeding," Sneddon said. Authorities asked other possible victims to come forward. CBS announced Wednesday that "given the gravity of the charges" against Jackson it was postponing a special program on him scheduled for November 26. The allegations come almost a decade after Jackson settled a lawsuit filed on behalf of a boy who slept over at Neverland Ranch when he was 13 and accused Jackson of molesting him. Criminal investigators stopped pursuing their case after the lawsuit was settled and the boy -- by then 14 -- made clear he did not want to participate in any prosecution of the singer. The law has since been changed to allow prosecutors to force an alleged molestation victim to testify against a defendant. Sneddon said he did not know whether the parents of the accuser were aware of the past allegations. Dozens of law enforcement officers searched Jackson's Neverland Ranch in Santa Barbara for about 13 hours Tuesday, and search warrants were served on two other locations in Southern California where some property was seized, authorities said. Jackson's mansion is on a 2,600-acre estate about 50 miles (80 kilometers) northwest of Santa Barbara and features amusement park rides, a petting zoo and statues of children. Backerman said the tone of the authorities' news conference was disturbing. "We are disturbed by the levity of the environment surrounding the announcement of these very serious charges," he said. Backerman said the singer has been in Las Vegas, Nevada, for the past two-and-a-half weeks, shooting a video for the song "One More Chance." That single is on his "Number Ones" album, a greatest-hits collection released Tuesday by Epic Records. Questions have been raised about whether the execution of the search warrants was timed to coincide with the music release. Sneddon rejected that idea. "In fact, we were going to execute these warrants several weeks ago, but had to put it off" for operational reasons, he said. "It really has nothing to do with his album or whatever else he's doing in his life." Jackson sings at the Aladdin Hotel on October 27 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department said Santa Barbara police have not asked permission to arrest Jackson in Las Vegas, which they would do if they wanted to arrest him immediately rather than allowing him to return to Santa Barbara and turn himself in. Attorney Mark Geragos -- who has been representing Scott Peterson in a high-profile California trial -- will be Jackson's lead attorney, Backerman said. Brian Oxman, an attorney for the Jackson family, told CNN he believes the investigation stems from someone else seeking financial gain from Jackson. "It is a case of excitement and hysteria because we have the same accusations that we had 10 years ago," he said. "It's like playing the playoffs all over again." Terms of the settlement of the lawsuit -- filed in 1993 and settled the next year -- were confidential, though the boy's attorney said at the time the boy and his family were happy to resolve the matter. Johnnie Cochran, Jackson's attorney in that case, said at the time that Jackson maintained his innocence and that the settlement was in no way an admission of guilt. CNN's Frank Buckley, Charles Feldman and Stan Wilson contributed to this report. I'm not sure whether or not he's actually guilty or innocent. What I do know is that no normal person invites little kids over to stay at their house then sleeps in the same bed as them.Michael Jackson may be too sheltered and naive to know that these are very serious charges, but whatever. I hope, for everyones sake, that he didn't commit these crimes he is accused of.Oh yeah, and njserious is a total juicer Check out the Thanksgiving Eve thread started by that guy and you'll see why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzikchick Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 "Michael would never harm a child in any way," he said. "When the evidence is presented and the allegations proven to be malicious and wholly unfounded, Michael will be able to put this nightmare behind him." Well, perhaps he doesn't see it as "harm", to him he is displaying his affection...and perhaps sees it as a normal act of love....typical for a pedaphile.....but, we shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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