normalnoises Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/eveningnews/main589137.shtml9/11 Chair: Attack Was PreventableCBSDec. 17, 2003NEW YORK -- For the first time, the chairman of the independentcommission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks is saying publiclythat 9/11 could have and should have been prevented, reports CBS NewsCorrespondent Randall Pinkston."This is a very, very important part of history and we've got to tellit right," said Thomas Kean."As you read the report, you're going to have a pretty clear ideawhat wasn't done and what should have been done," he said. "This wasnot something that had to happen."Appointed by the Bush administration, Kean, a former Republicangovernor of New Jersey, is now pointing fingers inside theadministration and laying blame."There are people that, if I was doing the job, would certainly notbe in the position they were in at that time because they failed. Theysimply failed," Kean said.To find out who failed and why, the commission has navigated apolitical landmine, threatening a subpoena to gain access to thepresident's top-secret daily briefs. Those documents may shed light onone of the most controversial assertions of the Bush administration -that there was never any thought given to the idea that terroristsmight fly an airplane into a building."I don't think anybody could have predicted that they would try touse an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile,"said national security adviser Condoleeza Rice on May 16, 2002."How is it possible we have a national security advisor coming outand saying we had no idea they could use planes as weapons whenwe had FBI records from 1991 stating that this is a possibility,"said Kristen Breitweiser, one of four New Jersey widows who lobbiedCongress and the president to appoint the commission.The widows want to know why various government agencies didn'tconnect the dots before Sept. 11, such as warnings from FBI officesin Minnesota and Arizona about suspicious student pilots."If you were to tell me that two years after the murder of my husbandthat we wouldn't have one question answered, I wouldn't believe it,"Breitweiser said.Kean admits the commission also has more questions than answers.Asked whether we should at least know if people sitting in thedecision-making spots on that critical day are still in thosepositions, Kean said, "Yes, the answer is yes. And we will."Kean promises major revelations in public testimony beginning nextmonth from top officials in the FBI, CIA, Defense Department,National Security Agency and, maybe, President Bush and formerPresident Clinton.© MMIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djxeno Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 they were talking about this on Hardball last night. Interesting to see what happens next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 This is huge news!!! It's barely getting any press. The next step should be to find out who was responsible for letting our guard down and remove them their position.I'm sure the bush admin will try and totally discredit the 9/11 commision now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mahs Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 This is huge news!!! It's barely getting any press. The next step should be to find out who was responsible for letting our guard down and remove them their position.I'm sure the bush admin will try and totally discredit the 9/11 commision now. Kean was appointed by the Bush administration... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 Originally posted by mr mahs Kean was appointed by the Bush... Then heads should roll... No excuses. We can't allow the people in our government that had advance warning and the chance to prevent 9/11 to continue to hold their positions of power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 Before you Bush haters poke out each others eyes with your conspiracy inspired boners, I suggest you calm down and get a grip ....Kean has already indicated the press is taking his meaning and quotes out of context, and that no one individual is to blame, but a systematic , methodical "breakdown" of our govt services is to blame....There was no advance warning that someone knew about, so calm down retards and pull yourself into reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 Originally posted by igloo Before you Bush haters poke out each others eyes with your conspiracy inspired boners, I suggest you calm down and get a grip ....lol This is a funny post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksimons Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 a picture says a thousand words and all that.President Harry Truman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siceone Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 seriously you people completely forgot that it was the clinton administration who hamgstrug the intelligence community.. you guys have short memories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksimons Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 yeah, I'm less enthusiastic about clinton the more i find out about him.he didn't even have the balls to admit he smoked weed, and even if he was telling the truth, what a wanker, toked but didn't take it back.twat.the point is he won't be running the country again, and mrs clinton, well, kucinich is my man! back to intelligenceit seems that American intellince services needed reform under Clinton, whether that reform worked, another matter. Remeber the CIA in the 70s and 80s had been operating in many fields, got it's hands dirty with drugs in a few areas and generally quite shady, with close ties to the white house you'd imagine, given that the VP then president was head of the CIA from '76 to '79, then was VP in 82.This is a Bush problem, just that it's daddy bush who foots a larger portion of the blame... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 i just read a book on how clinton had 3 major chance of getting bin ladin dead or alive and gave up all chance.again i could make the argument he had no idea of the capabilities of this man. but see what would of not happened if he would of had the balls to make a preemtive strike???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siceone Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 Originally posted by pattbateman i just read a book on how clinton had 3 major chance of getting bin ladin dead or alive and gave up all chance.again i could make the argument he had no idea of the capabilities of this man. but see what would of not happened if he would of had the balls to make a preemtive strike???? it was 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted December 20 Author Report Share Posted December 20 Originally posted by igloo Before you Bush haters poke out each others eyes with your conspiracy inspired boners, I suggest you calm down and get a grip .... Did you get a "grip"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eccentricmofo Posted December 21 Report Share Posted December 21 Originally posted by normalnoises http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/eveningnews/main589137.shtml9/11 Chair: Attack Was PreventableCBSDec. 17, 2003NEW YORK -- For the first time, the chairman of the independentcommission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks is saying publiclythat 9/11 could have and should have been prevented, reports CBS NewsCorrespondent Randall Pinkston."This is a very, very important part of history and we've got to tellit right," said Thomas Kean."As you read the report, you're going to have a pretty clear ideawhat wasn't done and what should have been done," he said. "This wasnot something that had to happen."Appointed by the Bush administration, Kean, a former Republicangovernor of New Jersey, is now pointing fingers inside theadministration and laying blame."There are people that, if I was doing the job, would certainly notbe in the position they were in at that time because they failed. Theysimply failed," Kean said.To find out who failed and why, the commission has navigated apolitical landmine, threatening a subpoena to gain access to thepresident's top-secret daily briefs. Those documents may shed light onone of the most controversial assertions of the Bush administration -that there was never any thought given to the idea that terroristsmight fly an airplane into a building."I don't think anybody could have predicted that they would try touse an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile,"said national security adviser Condoleeza Rice on May 16, 2002."How is it possible we have a national security advisor coming outand saying we had no idea they could use planes as weapons whenwe had FBI records from 1991 stating that this is a possibility,"said Kristen Breitweiser, one of four New Jersey widows who lobbiedCongress and the president to appoint the commission.The widows want to know why various government agencies didn'tconnect the dots before Sept. 11, such as warnings from FBI officesin Minnesota and Arizona about suspicious student pilots."If you were to tell me that two years after the murder of my husbandthat we wouldn't have one question answered, I wouldn't believe it,"Breitweiser said.Kean admits the commission also has more questions than answers.Asked whether we should at least know if people sitting in thedecision-making spots on that critical day are still in thosepositions, Kean said, "Yes, the answer is yes. And we will."Kean promises major revelations in public testimony beginning nextmonth from top officials in the FBI, CIA, Defense Department,National Security Agency and, maybe, President Bush and formerPresident Clinton.© MMIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. Isn't EVERYTHING that is bad and has happened in the past preventable in one way or another? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksimons Posted December 21 Report Share Posted December 21 well no.there's preventable and there's if things had been different it wouldn't have happend.preventable means there was definetly the information there at the time, and it should have, if everything was working properly, been stopped.everything in history, is I guess with the what if, approach, preventable, but this is an in depth report into a specific event... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eccentricmofo Posted December 21 Report Share Posted December 21 Originally posted by marksimons well no.there's preventable and there's if things had been different it wouldn't have happend.preventable means there was definetly the information there at the time, and it should have, if everything was working properly, been stopped.everything in history, is I guess with the what if, approach, preventable, but this is an in depth report into a specific event... Good point, and I concur. I should of specified more clearly of what exactly I meant. You hit it on the head with the "what if" statement. I think thats what I reallly meant to get across. I just get a bit disgusted when the "what ifers" talk about 9-11. Hits a bit of sore spot. My apoligizes for not being more clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksimons Posted December 21 Report Share Posted December 21 but you see how there's a difference between what if, and say the FBI in florida not telling the CIA about stuff, and local police reports not being passed along, or people not making links, having the intelligence but flaws in the system screwing it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted December 22 Report Share Posted December 22 Originally posted by pattbateman i just read a book on how clinton had 3 major chance of getting bin ladin dead or alive and gave up all chance.again i could make the argument he had no idea of the capabilities of this man. but see what would of not happened if he would of had the balls to make a preemtive strike???? I doubt killing bin ladin or any "terrorist" would've prevented 9/11 or terrorism directed at the US. In fact, it could've had the opposite effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eccentricmofo Posted December 22 Report Share Posted December 22 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 I doubt killing bin ladin or any "terrorist" would've prevented 9/11 or terrorism directed at the US. In fact, it could've had the opposite effect. Agree with ya.. There will always be a bad guy, you kill one, another fills his shoes... And waging a pre-emptive strike on terrorists would indeed be a kick to the sleeping dog.. But still, Im all for hearding all terrorists and for means of torture, forcing them to read all these posts on this entire board...lmao.. brutal.. I know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted December 22 Report Share Posted December 22 Originally posted by eccentricmofo Agree with ya.. There will always be a bad guy, you kill one, another fills his shoes... And waging a pre-emptive strike on terrorists would indeed be a kick to the sleeping dog.. But still, Im all for hearding all terrorists and for means of torture, forcing them to read all these posts on this entire board...lmao.. brutal.. I know... lol... Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 9/11 Panel Unlikely to Get Later DeadlineHearings Being Scaled Back to Finish Work by May; Top Officials Expected to TestifyBy Dan EggenWashington Post Staff WriterMonday, January 19, 2004; Page A09President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose granting more time to an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, virtually guaranteeing that the panel will have to complete its work by the end of May, officials said last week.A growing number of commission members had concluded that the panel needs more time to prepare a thorough and credible accounting of missteps leading to the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. But the White House and leading Republicans have informed the panel that they oppose any delay, which raises the possibility that Sept. 11-related controversies could emerge during the heat of the presidential campaign, sources said.Full Articlehttp://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A28025-2004Jan18?language=printer ******It's pretty obvious this Bush wants the investigation over and done with, especially since this an election year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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