normalnoises Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Dear MoveOn member, During the buildup to war, President Bush said the United States "must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.... We have every reason to assume the worst, and we have an urgent duty to prevent the worst from occurring." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54353-2004Jan27.htmlOn the eve of sending troops into battle, Bush asserted that "intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030317-7.htmlNow David Kay, the CIA’s chief weapons inspector, has testified before Congress that these weapons do not exist. In an attempt to evade responsibility for the misleading statements that pushed the nation into war, Bush has announced plans to form an independent inquiry to look into what went wrong. An inquiry would serve the Bush administration well: it would envelop the issue in a fog of uncertainty, deflect blame onto the intelligence services, and delay any political damage until 2005, after the upcoming election.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3980-2004Feb1.htmlBut the facts need no clarification. Despite repeated warnings from the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency, President Bush and his administration hyped and distorted the threat that Iraq posed. (http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=24889) And now that reality is setting in, the President wants to pin the blame on someone else. We can't let him. Congress has the power to censure the President -- to formally reprimand him for betraying the nation's trust. If ever there was a time for this, it's now. Join our call on Congress to censure President Bush at: http://www.moveon.org/censure/ It's clear that we’ve been misled: David Kay said last week, "I'm personally convinced that there were not large stockpiles of newly produced weapons of mass destruction," and "We don't find the people, the documents or the physical plants that you would expect to find if the production was going on." (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/26/international/middleeast/26KAY.html?ex=1075957200&en=db6d47a2af0e9efb&ei=5070) Kay said these things shortly after resigning from his post as Bush's chief weapons inspector in Iraq. Bush, in his 2003 State of the Union address, said, "the British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html) Yet Ambassador Joe Wilson, who was sent to Niger in February 2002 to determine whether Iraq was trying to purchase uranium materials there, concluded that "intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons program was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat." http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30D12F7355E0C758CDDAE0894DB404482A CIA report in February 2003 said: "We do not have any direct evidence that Iraq has used the period since [1998] to reconstitute its Weapons of Mass Destruction programs." http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3340723/It's also clear that the misleading was deliberate: The respected Carnegie Endowment for International Peace recently found that the administration "systematically misrepresented the threat" from Iraq. http://www.ceip.org/files/pdf/Iraq3GuideFind_SummRec.pdfThe basis for President Bush's African uranium claim was known at the time to be forged and not credible. (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE3E590C7B8CDDAE0894DB404482) "Top White House officials knew that the CIA seriously disputed the claim that Saddam Hussein was seeking uranium in Africa long before the claim was included in Bush's January address to the nation," according to the Washington Post. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/nation/6362092.htmSecretary of State Colin Powell became alarmed at the level of intelligence distortion. When he read the first draft of his speech to the UN -- prepared for Powell by Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff -- he was so upset that he lost his temper, throwing several pages in the air and declaring, "I'm not reading this. This is bullsh--."http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/archive/030609/20030609040506_brief.phpOur democracy only works when we know the truth. We now know President Bush and his administration deliberately misled Congress and the American people. Censure is the least we should expect in response. The independent inquiry will need a year or more to come to a conclusion, according to the Bush administration. It took less time than that for the country to go to war. We don't need more investigation, we need accountability, and we need it now. Join our call on Congress to censure President Bush at: http://www.moveon.org/censure/ We'll be holding a press conference in Washington on Thursday, announcing our campaign for Censure. If you sign on now, we can count your signature at the press conference. Please sign on right away. Thank you. Sincerely, - Adam, Carrie, Eli, James, Joan, Laura, Noah, Peter, Wes, and Zack The MoveOn.org Team Tuesday, February 3, 2004 Footnotes: 1. Washington Post, January 28, 2004 2. Official White House transcript, March 17, 2003 3. Washington Post, February 2, 2004 4. An excellent, comprehensive rundown on the Bush administration's deliberate distortion of intelligence is available from the Center for American Progress5. New York Times, January 26, 2004 6. Official White House transcript, January 28, 2003 7. Joseph Wilson Op-Ed, New York Times, July 6, 2003 Note: Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, had her CIA cover blown, possibly by the White House, in apparent retaliation for Wilson's contradicting the White House's line on WMDs. 8. MSNBC News, Oct. 24, 2003 9. Carnegie Endowment for International Peace report, "WMD in Iraq: Evidence and Implications", January, 2004 10. New York Times, July 8, 2003 11. Washington Post News Service, July 23, 2003 12. US News & World Report, June 9, 2003 Note: This article with the Powell quote is available for purchase from the US News & World Report archives for $2.95. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 www.fuckyou.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted February 4 Author Report Share Posted February 4 Originally posted by pattbateman www.fuckyou.org Obviously you fail to offer a legitamate and intelligent arguement in an attempt to debunk what was posted based on your rather childish post. Next time, come up with a rebuttal and evidence debunking everything that was posted before you come in here and post ANYTHING.I doubt very much you read any of the links I posted within the article, have you? You really should. It doesn't hurt to do some research, doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 like bill maur said on cnn the other night no one remembers why you go to war but people remember the outcome 5-10 years down the roadso in 5-10 years when we have peace starting to unfold in the mideast you will be singing a different tunepeople nowadays want things now right now and no questions askedit had to be done either way, fuck, you wouldnt of bitched if we would of gone right from kuwait into iraq non-stop tore right through killing all of his people in the way trust me it would of been a lot worse then it is nowthey for 100% sure had weapons then you cannot deny thati would of supported going there anyway anyhow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siceone Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Everyone Agreed with Bush that Iraq was an immenant threat how many time do was have to throw up quote after fucking quote. germans frenchmen, Republican and Democrat all said the same thing and agreed to 1441 which stated Saddam was in violation and Agreed that he was a threat. and everyone Agreed that he was subverting the weapons inspections. I don't get it you guys just forget that EVERYONE AGREED WITH BUSH FOR THIER OWN REASONS. and Now bush is the only one that was wrong? you're kidding me right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mahs Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Nonsense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Good links, normal. RNC is shitting it's pants right now of all shit storm they have to pull themselves through this year to win the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted February 6 Author Report Share Posted February 6 to antagonize the clueless right.So mrmas, how is this "nonsense"??? I can see you don't have an arguement, do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djprotege Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Bush getting censured has just about as much of a chance of happening as Kuchinich winning the Democratic nomination... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmatas2277 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Originally posted by pattbateman like bill maur said on cnn the other night no one remembers why you go to war but people remember the outcome 5-10 years down the road i said this like a week ago...i believe he said it during Larry King...great interview.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Originally posted by siceone Everyone Agreed with Bush that Iraq was an immenant threat how many time do was have to throw up quote after fucking quote. germans frenchmen, Republican and Democrat all said the same thing and agreed to 1441 which stated Saddam was in violation and Agreed that he was a threat. and everyone Agreed that he was subverting the weapons inspections. I don't get it you guys just forget that EVERYONE AGREED WITH BUSH FOR THIER OWN REASONS. and Now bush is the only one that was wrong? you're kidding me right? That's bullshit. Everyone did NOT agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Originally posted by djprotege Bush getting censured has just about as much of a chance of happening as Kuchinich winning the Democratic nomination... This is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siceone Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 That's bullshit. Everyone did NOT agree. Find me one person that said That Saddam wasn't in violation of UN mandates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Originally posted by siceone Find me one person that said That Saddam wasn't in violation of UN mandates. Don't even waste your time with jamirodick......he is a lost clown with zero self respect, evident by the mass ass kickings he has received here because he has no clue about the shit that spews from his ass....He is just a fool... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Originally posted by siceone Find me one person that said That Saddam wasn't in violation of UN mandates. I'm not disagreeing with you that they're wasn't any country that did not say that they Saddam was in violation of UN resolutions. I'm saying what you said was bullshit that everyone agreed that Iraq was an immenent threat. In fact have you read any front page of any news paper in the country today and you'll see that Tenet is saying that they never said Iraq was an immenent threat.Also, since you brought up UN resolutions, you'll recall that the United States was going to present a second resolution after 1441 to authorize use of military force but in the face of a veto from half the security coucil members we backed out.So I'll say again, to you saying that 'everyone agreed with Bush that Iraq was an immenent threat', was bullshit.http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/s799317.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siceone Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 I'm not disagreeing with you that they're wasn't any country that did not say that they Saddam was in violation of UN resolutions. I'm saying what you said was bullshit that everyone agreed that Iraq was an immenent threat. In fact have you read any front page of any news paper in the country today and you'll see that Tenet is saying that they never said Iraq was an immenent threat.Also, since you brought up UN resolutions, you'll recall that the United States was going to present a second resolution after 1441 to authorize use of military force but in the face of a veto from half the security coucil members we backed out.So I'll say again, to you saying that 'everyone agreed with Bush that Iraq was an immenent threat', was bullshit.http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/s799317.htm hello don't you remember that the french and the russians were bought off and even before we knew they were bought off DOUBLE CROSSED US by saying they were going to do something and then sitting on thier hands when something needed to be done. Cmon man you're just ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siceone Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 again bush never said that Iraq was an immenent threat EVER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Originally posted by siceone hello don't you remember that the french and the russians were bought off and even before we knew they were bought off DOUBLE CROSSED US by saying they were going to do something and then sitting on thier hands when something needed to be done. Cmon man you're just ridiculous. That's laughable. Of course their interest was monetary. Same as ours in that region. What's rediculous is how you've selectively rearranged the facts and chain of events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpoppanils Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Originally posted by siceone again bush never said that Iraq was an immenent threat EVER mr rumsfield...on the other hand.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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