igloo Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 On Iraq and WMD: Did the president lie?Larry Elder (archive)February 5, 2004 | Print | SendCan one make the case that President George W. Bush "lied" or "misled" or intentionally "mischaracterized" the intelligence on Iraq and WMD in order to lead us to war? Sure, if one possesses a visceral anti-Bush mindset coupled with a willingness to ignore powerful arguments in favor of the war:-- Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski, during a press conference last week, said "Many months before (the) Iraqi action, I met (the) predecessor of (chief U.N. weapons inspector) Hans Blix in Warsaw. . . . He told me (a) very important thing: that Saddam had these weapons or is ready to produce these weapons. Because to have such (an) impression that he has mass destruction weapons is a part of his doctrine, to keep . . . power in Iraq and to be strong in the region. So I think it's very difficult today to judge how it was when he . . . decided to continue this project of mass destruction weapons. . . . Absolutely, Iraq is ready to produce if it's necessary to keep the power of and dictatorship of Saddam and to play such (an) important role in the region."-- In October 2003, months after the Iraq war began, former President Bill Clinton visited Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Manuel Durao Barroso. Durao Barroso said, "When Clinton was here recently he told me he was absolutely convinced, given his years in the White House and the access to privileged information which he had, that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction until the end of the Saddam regime." -- French President Jacques Chirac, in February 2003, spoke about "the probable possession of weapons of mass destruction by an uncontrollable country, Iraq," noting "the international community is right . . . in having decided that Iraq should be disarmed."-- Former Clinton CIA director R. James Woolsey, in a Wall Street Journal article, made several points -- that Saddam possibly intentionally misled the world into thinking he still possessed WMD to keep his status as a power player in the region; that stockpiles of WMD possibly remained only to be destroyed at the last minute; that WMD-related material "probably" entered Syria months before the war; that Iraq admitted making 8,500 liters (8.5 tons) of anthrax, which if reduced to powder, could fill a dozen easily portable suitcases; and that "Iraq's ties with terrorist groups in the '90s are clear," with a decade worth of connections between Iraq and al Qaeda, "including training in poisons, gases, and explosives."-- Weapons hunter David Kay, testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee, said that based on the pre-war intelligence, Saddam Hussein posed "a gathering, serious threat to the world." Hussein's scientists possibly misled the former dictator into believing Iraq possessed WMD, with the scientists possibly misappropriating funds. Kay also said that, based on his investigation, Iraq posed an even greater danger than previously thought. -- Former President Bill Clinton on Dec. 16, 1998, stated, "Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference: He has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq. . . . I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again. . . . "-- Former President Clinton, in an appearance on "Larry King Live" on July 22, 2003, said, " . . . (I)t is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons. We might have destroyed them in '98. We tried to, but we sure as heck didn't know it because we never got to go back there."The near pathological contempt so many hold for President Bush clouds their ability to put themselves in the commander-in-chief's shoes. On Sept. 11, in America, over 3,000 people lost their lives. Meanwhile, Saddam Hussein continued to defy United Nations Security Council resolutions to come clean. He flouted the U.N.-sponsored Oil-for-Food program, diverting the money from its intended purpose. Critics quite properly accuse the U.S. intelligence community for failing to connect the dots and thus prevent 9/11. After the first Gulf War in 1991, the advanced nature of Saddam Hussein's nuclear weapons program shocked intelligence analysts. Nuclear bomb testing in India and Pakistan came as a surprise, as did the advanced nature of Iran's and Libya's WMD programs. By all means, the U.S. intelligence failures call for serious soul-searching, and possibly housekeeping to improve accuracy.But, in the case of pre-war Iraq, the president's critics suggest the following: Cross your fingers, hope for the best, and run the risk of another attack on American soil, this time possibly with chemical or biological weapons. No, the president acted upon the best available information and properly discharged his responsibility as commander-in-chief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tribal Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 Bush did not lie about the case of Iraq's WMD. He did use faulty and unreliable intelligence in his case, which although unethical, is perfectly legal.there is an excellent article in this month's Atlantic magazine, discussing the intelligence failure, and more importantly, the failure of the UN to fully investigate and pressure Hussein into total compliance. in any case, Hussein needed to be removed with or without WMDs. keeping a modern day Hitler in power in our day and age is a disgrace. the totalitarian rulers of North Korea and Syria should be next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tribal Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 Bush did not lie about the case of Iraq's WMD. He did use faulty and unreliable intelligence in his case, which although unethical, is perfectly legal.there is an excellent article in this month's Atlantic magazine, discussing the intelligence failure, and more importantly, the failure of the UN to fully investigate and pressure Hussein into total compliance. in any case, Hussein needed to be removed with or without WMDs. keeping a modern day Hitler in power in our day and age is a disgrace. the totalitarian rulers of North Korea and Syria should be next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksimons Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 he was a modern day hitler;he was supported and aided, both in getting power and developing weapons of war, by American companies.I believe hitler was the template for many american forign policy operations throughout the 20th century.seriously, take away the holocaust, and what did hitler do that would piss off american politicians and businessmen at the time?remember that there was LEGALISED RACISM in certain states at that time.hitlers repression of the jews was, initially no worse than the racism towards blacks in the south of America at that time.prescot Bush (grandad bush) traded with hitlergeorge bush traded with saddamgeorge w. bush got rid of saddam, but continues to support other dictators.you may say I'm anti-american for saying this, but I've got fucking evidence, and igloo will just insult me and not refute any of my claims with evidence proving otherwise, and we'll get no further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 shut the fuck simons were you thinking about hitler when you posted your now infamous gay sex post???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted February 5 Author Report Share Posted February 5 Originally posted by marksimons he was a modern day hitler;he was supported and aided, both in getting power and developing weapons of war, by American companies.I believe hitler was the template for many american forign policy operations throughout the 20th century.seriously, take away the holocaust, and what did hitler do that would piss off american politicians and businessmen at the time?remember that there was LEGALISED RACISM in certain states at that time.hitlers repression of the jews was, initially no worse than the racism towards blacks in the south of America at that time.prescot Bush (grandad bush) traded with hitlergeorge bush traded with saddamgeorge w. bush got rid of saddam, but continues to support other dictators.you may say I'm anti-american for saying this, but I've got fucking evidence, and igloo will just insult me and not refute any of my claims with evidence proving otherwise, and we'll get no further. :zzz: Just kill yourself googleboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksimons Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 "and igloo will just insult me and not refute any of my claims with evidence proving otherwise, and we'll get no further."goddamn I *can* predict the future... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 im sure many many many people traded with hitler and saddam not only bush you dumb fuck these people were not always fuckin crazy like you i think if hitler was here, you would suck his dick for being alive and killing all those people so you can now run a google search and compare him to bush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mahs Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 Originally posted by marksimons hitlers repression of the jews was, initially no worse than the racism towards blacks in the south of America at that time.. This ladies and gentleman is the reason why we shouldn't take X...lolMark you are nuts and ghey lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted February 5 Author Report Share Posted February 5 Originally posted by marksimons "and igloo will just insult me and not refute any of my claims with evidence proving otherwise, and we'll get no further."goddamn I *can* predict the future... kill yourself googleboy.....you are a bore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crosspatrick Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 well he lied on air today saying the jobless rate is down, Which is directly contradicted by the headlines in today's papers...new jobless claims are UP and productivity is DOWN.Why does he have to smirk all the time cant hold a straight face i suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 Originally posted by crosspatrick well he lied on air today saying the jobless rate is down, Which is directly contradicted by the headlines in today's papers...new jobless claims are UP and productivity is DOWN.Why does he have to smirk all the time cant hold a straight face i suppose. Bush is a moron, that's why. Half the time he doesn't even know the shit the comes out his mouth so he has no idea when he's lying or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted February 5 Author Report Share Posted February 5 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 Bush is a moron, that's why. Half the time he doesn't even know the shit the comes out his mouth so he has no idea when he's lying or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mahs Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 Originally posted by crosspatrick well he lied on air today saying the jobless rate is down, Which is directly contradicted by the headlines in today's papers...new jobless claims are UP and productivity is DOWN.Why does he have to smirk all the time cant hold a straight face i suppose. He wa talking about the unemployemnt rate of 5.9%, down from the 6.4% peek a couple of months ago... and WELL below the average of 7.5%.The rise in jobless claims was due to harsh weather conditions that hinder jobs from week to week.The drop in productivity is actually a good thing. It means that they are getting less production from current workers and judging by the latest manufacturing reading of 65.9% (anything over 50 is expansion) and the the latest GDP numbers, companies have to hire to keep up with demand.Now if the economy is in such bad shape then the market would have tanked. The Dow showing a positve of around 30 points for today tells people who know, that this isn't bad news...Why do you lefties talk about Finace when you have NO CLUE what you're talking about, go hug a tree or something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mahs Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 Bush is a moron, that's why. Half the time he doesn't even know the shit the comes out his mouth so he has no idea when he's lying or not. Here he is, Capt'n "The GDP isn't important" talking about Finace/Economics. You are a hateful,mindless douchbag that knows NOTHING about the current financial and Economic situation to comment... Kucinich boy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 Originally posted by mr mahs Here he is, Capt'n "The GDP isn't important" talking about Finace/Economics. You are a hateful,mindless douchbag that knows NOTHING about the current financial and Economic situation to comment... Kucinich boy... Kucinich boy? I think you've got me confused with marksimons cause I won't be voting for him. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted February 6 Author Report Share Posted February 6 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 Kucinich boy? I think you've got me confused with marksimons cause I won't be voting for him. lol But he was not confused when saying this about you:You are a hateful,mindless douchbag that knows NOTHING about the current financial and Economic situation to comment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Originally posted by igloo But he was not confused when saying this about you:You are a hateful,mindless douchbag that knows NOTHING about the current financial and Economic situation to comment... You are a hateful,mindless douchbag that knows NOTHING about ANYTHING! Go kill yourself so I can have a grave to piss on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Originally posted by igloo But he was not confused when saying this about you:You are a hateful,mindless douchbag that knows NOTHING about the current financial and Economic situation to comment... Not true at all. How could you say such a thing, I'm shocked. I'm a loving person. Like just last night I loved your mother all night long. She's the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djxeno Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 Not true at all. How could you say such a thing, I'm shocked. I'm a loving person. Like just last night I loved your mother all night long. She's the best. she's mine bro stay away from her! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Originally posted by djxeno she's mine bro stay away from her! Don't make me kick your ass. That ho is mine...well...ok you can have her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djxeno Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 Don't make me kick your ass. That ho is mine...well...ok you can have her. :laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted February 6 Author Report Share Posted February 6 Originally posted by djxeno :laugh: not bad fellas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mahs Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 Not true at all. How could you say such a thing, I'm shocked. I'm a loving person. Like just last night I loved your mother all night long. She's the best. Creative... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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