pattbateman Posted February 10 Author Report Share Posted February 10 Kerry has said for months that he opposes gay marriage, as well as the ruling by the Supreme Judicial Court that cleared the way for such marriages starting in May, but that he supports civil unions that guarantee gay couples the same rights and benefits that married couples receive.the same rights and benefits that married couples get you fucks.i thought you guys said they didnt get the same rights and benifits as civil unionsyou guys need to get your shit straight before you start crying if this is true and i dont see why not, i just took it from an article posted today in the boston globe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Originally posted by pattbateman 1) Marriage is based on our heritage of reproduction and family gay marriage makes the definition of marriage meaningless.2) Being Gay is abnormal - but not as abnormal as smoking or extreme religion.3) Gays should not use this issue as a metaphor for their own self acceptance issues.4) The institution of marriage is a fraud and not sane person who truly understood how corrupt the courts are would ever get married in the first place. And based on this theory gay married couples are lesser people than heterosexual male couples and don't deserve the same rights as "normal" people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted February 10 Author Report Share Posted February 10 http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/02/10/kerry_treads_cautiously_on_gay_marriage_ban/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mahs Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Marriage is one of the 7 HOLY SACRAMENTSFor you atheists this is a path put forth by the church that every catholic should follow in order to go to heaven...The story of Adam and Eve teaches us that the woman was born from the flesh of man. Marriage is a process of reuniting the man and woman and to ultimatley produce offspring..Homosexuality contradicts that...I have nothing against "civil unions" you can partner up with your dog for all I care just don't put it under a banner of marriage becuase it doesn't belong there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted February 10 Author Report Share Posted February 10 if you read the article you would see they get the same RIGHTS its just about the sanctity of marriage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mahs Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 And based on this theory gay married couples are lesser people than heterosexual male couples and don't deserve the same rights as "normal" people? Civil Unions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnkerry Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Hi there...This is John Kerry.My stance on gay marriages is, well... I'll say anything to get elected so whatever is most popular is my stance.Oh one more thing. Patt batemen, you're gay.That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted February 10 Author Report Share Posted February 10 thats what i said at the startbut they jumped on me saying that you only get the same benifits if you are MARRIEDhere is what john kerry stands forJohn Kerry Presidential Candidate Email to a friend Printer friendly version--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Other Candidates• Carol Moseley Braun• Howard Dean• John Edwards--------------------------------------------------------------------------------More Candidates• General Wesley Clark• Al Sharpton• Joe Lieberman--------------------------------------------------------------------------------More Democratic Candidates• Dennis Kucinich• Richard Gephardt--------------------------------------------------------------------------------About Lesbian LifeSubscribe to the Free NewsletterYour Email Address:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Background: John Kerry has been a Senator from Massachuttes since 1984.More from your Guide below Sponsored Links Gay / Lesbian WeddingsComplete Wedding Packages VT Wedding Vendorswww.GayWeddings.com Gay MarriageFind out what's going on in the fight for equal marriage rights.www.hrc.org/marriage Job Discrimination/Fired?Buy state employment law summaries; then decide on need for Attorneywww.talk-law.com/states.shtml Employment Non-Discrimination: Kerry supports the Employment Non-Discrimination Act 2003. He co-sponsored ENDA in 1996.Gender Identity Employment: Kerry has not made it clear if he will support a bill to end workplace discrimination based on gender identity and expression. See comments below.Hate Crimes: Kerry supports the inclusion of sexual orientation and gender identity in Federal Hate Crimes Law. Current law does not include either, but does include race, religion and national origin.Same-Sex Marriage: Kerry initially said he does not support same-sex marriage, but supports civil unions. In the candidates' debate on November 24, when asked about the Massachusetts ruling he said, “I would urge the Legislature to do precisely what the Constitution requires. It is a matter of equal protection under the law.†Family Medical Leave: Kerry supports extending the Family Medical Leave Act to same-sex couples.Same-Sex Immigration: Kerry supports the Permanent Partners Immigration Act (H.R. 832) which would allow American citizens to sponsor their same-sex partners for immigration into the country.Gay and Lesbian Adoption: Kerry supports gays and lesbians having the same rights to adopt children as heterosexuals.Don't Ask, Don't Tell: Kerry supports the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, which would allow gay and lesbian soldiers to serve openly in the military.Kerry Comments: On Gender-Identity Discrimination in Employment: "I oppose discriminationof all kinds and my office policy prohibits discrimination in the workplace based on gender identity and expression. I believe we should focus efforts on getting ENDA passed and signed into law, and I am concerned that adding gender identity and expression to the ENDA legislation is likely to significantly hinder that effort." On Don't Ask, Don't Tell: "In 1993, I was one of four Senators who testified before the Armed Services committee that it was fundamentally wrong to continue to deny gay and lesbian Americans the right to participate in the armed forces of the United States." On Gay Marriage: John Kerry released the following statement on November 18, 2003 after the Massachusetts Courts ruled that gay marriages should be legal."I have long believed that gay men and lesbians should be assured equal protection and the same benefits – from health to survivor benefits to hospital visitation - that all families deserve. While I continue to oppose gay marriage, I believe that today’s decision calls on the Massachusetts state legislature to take action to ensure equal protection for gay couples. These protections are long over due.†Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnkerry Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted February 10 Author Report Share Posted February 10 i bet you will be voting for yourself mr kerry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnkerry Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Originally posted by pattbateman i bet you will be voting for yourself mr kerry? Nah, I'm voting for my old skull and bones buddy. George Bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Originally posted by mr mahs Civil Unions... Civil Unions do not offer the same rights as Marriage. Why create a double standard for someones belief or sexual preference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mahs Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 Civil Unions do not offer the same rights as Marriage. Why create a double standard for someones belief or sexual preference? Like what?In NYC you can receive benefits from your gilr friend or boyfriend's coverage under a domestic partner rule. what rights are they losing?Remember MARRIAGE is a holy sacrament and homosexuality, in the churches eye is a sin.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted February 10 Author Report Share Posted February 10 exactly what i have been tryin to say, and they do not seem to understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpoppanils Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Originally posted by pattbateman gay marraige goes against everything i believe in marraige is a religious thing, and gays doing it just goes against that how so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpoppanils Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Originally posted by mr mahs Marriage is one of the 7 HOLY SACRAMENTSFor you atheists this is a path put forth by the church that every catholic should follow in order to go to heaven...The story of Adam and Eve teaches us that the woman was born from the flesh of man. Marriage is a process of reuniting the man and woman and to ultimatley produce offspring..Homosexuality contradicts that... ummm....in case you havent noticed, Catholicism is not the main religion of this country. In fact, this country doesnt not have an established religion....why let religion be used to justify laws and politics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Originally posted by mr mahs Like what?In NYC you can receive benefits from your gilr friend or boyfriend's coverage under a domestic partner rule. what rights are they losing?Remember MARRIAGE is a holy sacrament and homosexuality, in the churches eye is a sin.. They would be losing all sorts of rights.Such as:*Portability of the status*Federal Benefits: According to a 1997 GAO report, civil marriage brings with it at least 1,049 legal protections and responsibilities from the federal government, including the right to take leave from work to care for a family member, the right to sponsor a spouse for immigration purposes, and Social Security survivor benefits that can make a difference between old age in poverty and old age in security. Civil unions bring none of these critical legal protections.*Taxes & Public Benefits for the Family*Filling out forms*Separate & Unequal -- Second-Class StatusWe've gone over this at length already.http://bbs.clubplanet.com/showthread.php?threadid=209654&referrerid=145826 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpoppanils Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Originally posted by mr mahs and homosexuality, in the churches eye is a sin.. not if you are Epsicopalian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 I think we need a president that doesn't look at homosexuality as a sin. I'm one of those people that happends to believe you don't choose your own sexuality so I'm not sure how something that you have no choice in the churches eyes means you should be condemned to hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted February 10 Author Report Share Posted February 10 lets take a nation wide voteand then maybe you fucks will shut up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 What does the First Amendment say about religion? A. Nothing B. The US is founded upon Christian principles C. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting free exercise D. that there is no national religion, but each state may set up its own religious practices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 Originally posted by pattbateman lets take a nation wide voteand then maybe you fucks will shut up Here's your nationwide vote.http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac3/ContentServer?pagename=polls&nextstep=displayQuestion&interactive=y&userChoice=Each+state+should+make+own+laws&pollid=2004015&pripollid=&varname=q25&privarname=&questCategoryType=n&questCategory=Variables.questCategory&keyword=Variables.keyword&pollDateRange=Variables.pollDateRange&ctabtype=A&startingRow=1&pollType=National&searchPollId=0&newsearch= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 Bush Plans To Back Marriage AmendmentConstitution Would Specify Man, WomanBy Mike Allen and Alan CoopermanWashington Post Staff WritersWednesday, February 11, 2004; Page A01President Bush plans to endorse a constitutional amendment that would define marriage as the union of a man and a woman in response to a Massachusetts court decision requiring legal recognition of gay marriages in that state, key advisers said yesterday.Bush plans to endorse language introduced by Rep. Marilyn Musgrave (R-Colo.) that backers contend would ban gay marriage but not prevent state legislatures from allowing the kind of civil unions and same-sex partnership arrangements that exist in Vermont and California. Bush has moved incrementally over six months toward embracing a ban on gay marriage, and the advisers said he will clarify his position with a public statement shortly.Full articlehttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30326-2004Feb10.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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