igloo Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 The scorecard: Swiftees vs. KerryDavid Limbaugh (archive)August 27, 2004 | Print | SendDespite the partisan media's claims to the contrary, John Kerry has not successfully refuted "almost all the Swiftees' charges." Though he has attempted to dodge the bullets, he has been deeply wounded by them. Instead of responding factually to the charges, Kerry and his defenders have: -- personally attacked the Swiftees and reportedly hired private investigators to look for dirt on them; -- mischaracterized Swiftee John O'Neill as a Nixon dirty trickster; -- reiterated their lies about President Bush's Air National Guard service; -- filed complaints with the FEC to muzzle the Swiftees; -- pressured media outlets not to run the Swiftees' ads; -- whined about coordination between the Swiftees and the Bush campaign because attorney Ben Ginsberg advised both; -- gloated when Ginsberg resigned from representing the Bush campaign, saying it proved there had been coordination all along, though Ginsberg denies any coordination; -- refused to insist that their similarly situated lawyers or operatives Robert Bauer, Jim Jordan, Joe Sandler and Zack Exley -- sever their ties as well; -- theatrically dispatched former Senator Max Cleland to the Bush ranch with a letter imploring the president to urge the Swiftees, over whom the president genuinely has no control, to cease and desist. -- called other veterans to pressure them into supporting Kerry; -- invoked the only sacred Republican name among Democrats, John McCain. (Bob Dole lost similar status this week when nobly standing up for the Swiftees.) -- suppressed John Kerry's shameful, America-trashing book "The New Soldier," refusing to allow it to be reprinted; -- said, dishonestly, that the Swiftees keep changing their stories; -- repeatedly changed Kerry's story on Christmas in Cambodia. The reasons it was "seared, seared" in Kerry's memory were that it was during Christmas time (people associate events with the sentimentality of Christmas) and President Richard Nixon had supposedly ordered Kerry into Cambodia illegally -- which outraged Kerry. Turns out Nixon wasn't in office yet. How can people brush this off as inconsequential? This lie really mattered at the time, and, obviously still does today in terms of the negativity it generated against America; -- dramatically backtracked on the first Purple Heart account, being forced to all but admit that Kerry wasn't injured by enemy fire -- which means, if nothing else, that he wasn't entitled to that Purple Heart nor his early out after four months; -- watched as their enabling mainstream media -- the Democrats' most powerful and unregulated "527" group -- have systematically tried to discredit the Swiftees' claims by masquerading as objective, investigative journalists. In fact, they've combed records to catch the Swiftees in supposed inconsistencies and painted a fantastic picture trying to connect absurdly remote dots tying the Swiftees to President Bush. All the while they've ignored the mountains of factual evidence against Kerry and even mindlessly repeated the dismissive conclusion that almost all of Kerry's stories have held up to scrutiny. Never has the liberal bias of the partisan media been so conspicuous. On August 25, the twin print media goliaths: the New York Times and The Washington Post, sang a propaganda duet dismissing the Swiftees' claims: WP: "Many of the charges have been rebutted by veterans who served with Kerry and by military records." NYT: “the Swift Boat group, almost all of whose challenges to Mr. Kerry and his war record have been contradicted by official war records and even some of its members' own past statements." Makes you wonder whether these two media outlets are recipients or authors of Democratic talking points. -- peddled the lie that the Swiftees "weren't there" because most weren't on Kerry's boat, ignoring that they were in adjacent boats within witnessing distance; -- avoided Kerry media appearances -- he doesn't want to have to answer even the obligatory questions the partisan media might lob at him. And you can be sure there'll be no second or third Kerry-O'Neill debates -- no thrilla in Manila. Even Don King couldn't get Kerry to step back into the ring for a rematch with O'Neill, who knocked Kerry cold in the first fight; -- with the media's help, held up Kerry's "heroism" as sacrosanct and unchallengeable while simultaneously disrespecting the heroism of Kerry's some 254 accusers; -- with the media's help, held up official Navy records as sacrosanct and unchallengeable, ignoring the compelling Swiftee claim that Kerry manufactured false records; -- refused to release Kerry's complete military and medical records and diary; -- complained about the campaign's focus on Kerry's long-ago record, when they brought it up in the first place. I'm just warming up, but I'm already out of space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtk4 Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 for christ sakes let it gohttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5835000/http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5818634/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted August 27 Author Report Share Posted August 27 for christ sakes let it gohttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5835000/http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5818634/Too big of an issue son.....you have to stop ignoring one side in favor of another...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted August 27 Author Report Share Posted August 27 for christ sakes let it gohttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5835000/http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5818634/Too big of an issue son.....you have to stop ignoring one side in favor of another......And of course if you are a Kerry supporter you want this to die....it is becoming worse everyday....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missionary Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 Too big of an issue son.....you have to stop ignoring one side in favor of another......And of course if you are a Kerry supporter you want this to die....it is becoming worse everyday......."Too big an issue...." ? You're definitely a Republican. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted August 27 Author Report Share Posted August 27 "Too big an issue...." ? You're definitely a Republican. Dem...Republican....independent.....irrespective, it is a big issue...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtk4 Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 This is not a big issue, what is happening in the world today is a big issue. Poverty has gone up 3 straight years, another 1.3 million americans now do not have health insurance. Those are big issues son. what 500 people say happened 40 years ago, and the fact that some of them have switched sides in the past 4 years, and the fact that other people have come out and called them liars, and the president has come out and asked them to stop, makes it not a big issue. So son that isn't even an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted August 27 Author Report Share Posted August 27 This is not a big issue, what is happening in the world today is a big issue. Poverty has gone up 3 straight years, another 1.3 million americans now do not have health insurance. Those are big issues son. what 500 people say happened 40 years ago, and the fact that some of them have switched sides in the past 4 years, and the fact that other people have come out and called them liars, and the president has come out and asked them to stop, makes it not a big issue. So son that isn't even an issue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted August 27 Author Report Share Posted August 27 This is not a big issue, what is happening in the world today is a big issue. Poverty has gone up 3 straight years, another 1.3 million americans now do not have health insurance. Those are big issues son. what 500 people say happened 40 years ago, and the fact that some of them have switched sides in the past 4 years, and the fact that other people have come out and called them liars, and the president has come out and asked them to stop, makes it not a big issue. So son that isn't even an issue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted August 27 Author Report Share Posted August 27 This is not a big issue, what is happening in the world today is a big issue. Poverty has gone up 3 straight years, another 1.3 million americans now do not have health insurance. Those are big issues son. what 500 people say happened 40 years ago, and the fact that some of them have switched sides in the past 4 years, and the fact that other people have come out and called them liars, and the president has come out and asked them to stop, makes it not a big issue. So son that isn't even an issue.You are 1000% correct....complete agreement.....but I meant for the election (and you know that)---and WHY, because Kerry made it that way......"Hi, I am John Kerry, reporting for duty...I could solve all the problems because I served in Vietnam and have three purple hearts"It should not be an issue...but it is, no matter how disgusting it is....and you can blame your candidate for that....case closed.P.S. Do you know some like to believe men of character and leadership and honest and integrity should lead the country to solve the real issues you spoke of, and MANY others.....perhaps, just perhaps what happened 40 years ago, and the fact that this candidate has revived that, has made people think twice about this particluar candidate......hmmmmP.S 2--Did the DNC solve the other major issue--Bush's dental records? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtk4 Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 yeah i agree these are not that important because these guys were 22-24 at the time. Lets move on to how the hell are you going to protect us, why don't people have health ins, why are people in this country in poverty. shit like that.he also did report for duty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obby Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 You are 1000% correct....complete agreement.....but I meant for the election (and you know that)---and WHY, because Kerry made it that way......"Hi, I am John Kerry, reporting for duty...I could solve all the problems because I served in Vietnam and have three purple hearts"Anything to steers attention away from is 20 year voting history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtk4 Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 I am sure some people agree with his voting history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted August 27 Author Report Share Posted August 27 I am sure some people agree with his voting history.not enough, including DNC management......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtk4 Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 20 years, someone must agree with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherway83 Posted August 28 Report Share Posted August 28 actually kerry was not the one who made his war record an issue - it was the republicans who did...they know that bush doesn't have much to reminisce or gloat over in the way of military service, so the only way to level the field was to discredit kerry's record in anyway possible. they even brought up issues like whether or not kerry shot some kid in the back or not...jesus christ, you're in a friggin' war, you have someone with a bazooka ready to kill you and your crewmates, are you just gonna stand around and wait till he turns around just so you can kill him "honorably"? i think not...war is never glorious.just the fact that kerry VOLUNTEERED while there still isn't any evidence of bush even serving should be enuff to put the issue at rest... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted August 28 Author Report Share Posted August 28 actually kerry was not the one who made his war record an issue - it was the republicans who did...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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