jtk4 Posted November 4 Report Share Posted November 4 just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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igloo Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 Dead--Fuck him. One way ticket to rot in hell. Arafat is a terrorist and a fraud. Hope he dies a painful death.Now, emotion aside--short term, his death could be dangerous. A scary political vacuum, opportunity for Hamas and the rest of the muderers to take advantage of the situation, internal strife or even civil war, etc....However, the fact remains that as long as Arafat was alive, there was going to be no peace. So, for the long term prospects of peace, his death is a good thing (as well as him rotting in hell).Hopefully, a moderate can now arise that has been waiting for this opportuntiy. And if so, the world community (not just the U.S. or Europeans, but even more importantly-THE ARAB WORLD) must do everything in their power to support this person or group against those who have no desire for peace-no matter what.If no moderate arises, then I guess the situation is no different than it is now, except there is one more terrorist dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tres-b Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 Everytime a terrorist dies without killing anyone else it is good. In all seriousness, Yasser has been unable to work w/ anyone on a consistent basis. The process of healing and peace has a better chance with him out of the picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmatas2277 Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 BothWERD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfiorellino Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 It's good if the Palestinians can get their act together and get a leader that's modeled on a Nelson Mandela or Gandhi. But that's not likely to happen. I'm willing to bet they're going to nominate some maniacal Islamic radical because they usually tend to have the most loyal followings-and then shit's really going to hit the fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramadas Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 It's good if the Palestinians can get their act together and get a leader that's modeled on a Nelson Mandela or Gandhi. But that's not likely to happen. I'm willing to bet they're going to nominate some maniacal Islamic radical because they usually tend to have the most loyal followings-and then shit's really going to hit the fan.You do realize Nelson Mandela was a terrorist before he got jailed, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tres-b Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 You do realize Nelson Mandela was a terrorist before he got jailed, right?Please dont start defending Yasser the terrorist...Stop now while I still have some faith in you. The man has stood in the way of peace for nearly 4 decades. He has never wanted peace or even a homeland. His only goals are killing Jews and keeping power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtk4 Posted November 5 Author Report Share Posted November 5 yeah last time i checked nelson mandela did not kill or was involved in killing anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramadas Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 Please dont start defending Yasser the terrorist...Stop now while I still have some faith in you. The man has stood in the way of peace for nearly 4 decades. He has never wanted peace or even a homeland. His only goals are killing Jews and keeping power.Defending Arafat? He might have been a terrorist and corrupt, but he was still the figurehead for the Palestinian people. I really don't care if you have faith in me or not, if you cannot respect a different opinion then you probably should not discuss with that person.Jtk4 - tell me what was the ANC (African National COngress) involved in when Mandela was younger and the head of it? The ANC was a very militant organization. Check out the history of the ANC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tres-b Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 Defending Arafat? He might have been a terrorist and corrupt, but he was still the figurehead for the Palestinian people. I really don't care if you have faith in me or not, if you cannot respect a different opinion then you probably should not discuss with that person.Jtk4 - tell me what was the ANC (African National COngress) involved in when Mandela was younger and the head of it? The ANC was a very militant organization. Check out the history of the ANC.but you are comparing him to Mandela, who has actually accomplished a lot in S. Africa. Yasser was nothing more than a corrupt figurehead who has stood in the way of peace. I understand that Mandela's group was violent but that evolved over time. Yasser was a terrorist until the end(which will be here shortly if it hasnt arrived already) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramadas Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 but you are comparing him to Mandela, who has actually accomplished a lot in S. Africa. Yasser was nothing more than a corrupt figurehead who has stood in the way of peace. I understand that Mandela's group was violent but that evolved over time. Yasser was a terrorist until the end(which will be here shortly if it hasnt arrived already)Tres-b do you even read all the posts on this thread?? I didn't bring up mandela, someone else did, and right next to Gandhi.There was still a lot of violence from offshoots of the ANC right till the end in 1990. You cannot successfully defend the ANC as a peaceful organziation(pre-handover) while condemning Arafat's as completely terrorist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtk4 Posted November 5 Author Report Share Posted November 5 I will check it out, and i claim ignorance if he did kill someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramadas Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 I will check it out, and i claim ignorance if he did kill someone.Not sure if he did, but his organization def. did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tres-b Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 Tres-b do you even read all the posts on this thread?? I didn't bring up mandela, someone else did, and right next to Gandhi.There was still a lot of violence from offshoots of the ANC right till the end in 1990. You cannot successfully defend the ANC as a peaceful organziation(pre-handover) while condemning Arafat's as completely terrorist.Yes I read it. Your assertation that Mandela was a terrorist was what I went after. And as my last post said, his organization evolved and became a positive force. Yasser became a corrupt figurehead who didnt work for peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramadas Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 Yes I read it. Your assertation that Mandela was a terrorist was what I went after. And as my last post said, his organization evolved and became a positive force. Yasser became a corrupt figurehead who didnt work for peace.Do you deny that Mandela was a terrorist at one time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtk4 Posted November 5 Author Report Share Posted November 5 so he was a terrorist that won the nobel peace prize? Now would you call Martin luther king a terrorist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramadas Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 so he was a terrorist that won the nobel peace prize? Now would you call Martin luther king a terrorist?Arafat won the nobel peace prize too!!!(don't know how)Why would I call MLK a terrorist? malcolm X yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtk4 Posted November 5 Author Report Share Posted November 5 because in my studies i found a website that has all the terrorist through the ages, he was on the list.but as i went on the dali lama is on the list so yeah i will find info somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramadas Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 because in my studies i found a website that has all the terrorist through the ages, he was on the list.but as i went on the dali lama is on the list so yeah i will find info somewhere else.Damn dude! What list is this?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tres-b Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 If you classify Mandela as a terrorist, it would be fair to include MLK.Personally, I wouldnt classify either as a true terrorist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramadas Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 Tres-b check out this site. Why would you consider MLK a terrorist? What armed struggle did he engage in? Which world leaders considered him a terrorist?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_MandelaNelson MandelaFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.Nelson MandelaNelson Rolihlahla Mandela (born July 18, 1918) is a former President of South Africa, was one of its chief anti-apartheid activists, and was also an anti-apartheid saboteur and guerrilla leader. He is now almost universially considered to be a heroic freedom fighter, but during the time of the apartheid regime many Western politicians such as Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan considered him a terrorist. He spent his childhood in the Thembu chiefdom before embarking on a career in law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtk4 Posted November 5 Author Report Share Posted November 5 just because they considered him a terrorist does not mean he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramadas Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 n/m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtk4 Posted November 5 Author Report Share Posted November 5 i think south africa has ties with both the us and england in the 80's. Until it became unpopular to have ties with them.I do understand what you are saying though, one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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