babystewie Posted November 28 Report Share Posted November 28 The 9/11 Commission Report, has anybody read it?yes? what did you think?no? why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted November 29 Report Share Posted November 29 I am a 1/4 of the way through.....have been busy so I have not been able to dive in and rip off chunks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babystewie Posted November 29 Author Report Share Posted November 29 Sad if your the only one here who is or has read the report, half way thur it now myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italia23 Posted November 30 Report Share Posted November 30 I'm about half-way through it, althought I haven't had time to read it in about 3 months lol. I started it at the end of the summer and will probably finish it when my semester ends in a couple of weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtk4 Posted November 30 Report Share Posted November 30 i wonder if they will make tapes so you can listen on the way to work?they should have ben stein do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babystewie Posted December 8 Author Report Share Posted December 8 Well so far there is NO link between 9/11 and Iraq, seems this war is just based on half-truths and lies. So now where are these WMD? oh thats right there wasn`t any, but Saddam was a bad/evil man so we had to free the Iraqi people.....Report: CIA offers bleak Iraq assessmenthttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6665231/http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/12/06/iraq.chafee/A moderate Republican senator who recently returned from Iraq said conditions are worse than last year and the American public needs to hear "the cold, hard facts------------Deserters: We Won't Go To IraqDec. 6, 200460 Minutes Wednesday talks to U.S. soldiers who have deserted their units and are staying in Canada (Photo: CBS)"I was told in basic training that, if I'm given an illegal or immoral order, it is my duty to disobey it, and I feel that invading and occupying Iraq is an illegal and immoral thing to do." Spc. Jeremy HinzmanPfc. Dan Felushko, 24, slipped out of Camp Pendleton, Calif., and deployed himself to Canada. (Photo: CBS)Spc. Jeremy Hinzman applied for conscientious objector status. He worked in a kitchen in Afghanistan while waiting for a decision. (Photo: CBS)(CBS) It's an offense punishable by death during wartime. It's been committed by 5500 soldiers since the war with Iraq began.The men, who have violated military orders and oaths, tell 60 Minutes Wednesday that it isn't cowardice, but rather the nature of the war in Iraq, that turned them into American deserters.American soldiers currently living in Canada tell Correspondent Scott Pelley why they made the decision to desert their units, in a report to be broadcast onDec. 8, at 8 p.m. ET/PT.One soldier, Pfc. Dan Felushko, 24, tells Pelley, "I didn't want...'Died deluded in Iraq' over my gravestone."It was Felushko's responsibility to go with the Marines to Kuwait in January 2003. Instead, Felushko slipped out of Camp Pendleton, Calif., and deployed himself to Canada."I was a warrior...I always have been," Felushko tells Pelley. "I've always felt...that if there are people who can't defend themselves, it's my responsibility to do that.""As we're sitting here, something just short of 1100 Americans have died. What do you say to their families about the choice you made?" asks Pelley."I honor their dead. ...Maybe they think that my presence dishonors their dead, but they made a choice the same as I made a choice, and my big problem is that, if they made that choice for anything other than they believed in it, thenthat's wrong," says Felushko. "The government has to be held responsible for those deaths, because they didn't give them an option."Soldiers who want to be assigned to non-combat jobs have the option of applying for conscientious objector status.Spc. Jeremy Hinzman, from Rapid City, S.D., filled out those forms, and while he waited for the decision on his request, he worked in a kitchen in Afghanistan.The Army eventually told Hinzman he didn't qualify as a conscientious objector. "I was walking to the chow hall with my unit and we were yelling, 'Train to kill, kill we will,' over and over again," recalls Hinzman."I kind of snuck a peek around me and saw all my colleagues getting red in the face and hoarse yelling, and at that point, a light went off in my head and Isaid, 'You know, I made the wrong career decision.'"Despite his decision to leave the army, Hinzman says he wasn't looking for a way out of his commitment to the military."I was told in basic training that, if I'm given an illegal or immoral order, it is my duty to disobey it, and I feel that invading and occupying Iraq is an illegal and immoral thing to do," says Hinzman."I think there are times when militaries or countries act in a collectively wrong way. ...Saddam Hussein was a really bad guy, but was he a threat to the U.S.?"Hussein may have been a threat to the Iraqi people, but Hinzman maintains that was not enough of a reason for Hinzman to risk his life fighting in Iraq."Whether a country lives under freedom or tyranny or whatever else, that's the collective responsibility of the people of that country," says Hinzman.He later adds that his contract with the military was "to defend the Constitution of the United States, not take part in offensive, preemptive wars."**************************************Where are the 53,000,000 Americans who voted for Bush2? Why are they not rushing to the Army recruitment offices to sign up? I don't understand. What's keeping them? What's the hold-up? Why haven't they all enlisted by now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italia23 Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 **************************************Where are the 53,000,000 Americans who voted for Bush2? Why are they not rushing to the Army recruitment offices to sign up? I don't understand. What's keeping them? What's the hold-up? Why haven't they all enlisted by nowYou are clueless.Are you in the military? Do you support the war in Afghanistan? If so, then why aren't you signing up? Did you vote for Kerry? Do you know that he would have went to war with Iraq as well? So, if your logic follows, all Kerry voters should enlist as well. An overwhelming majority of the military supports the President and the war in Iraq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babystewie Posted December 8 Author Report Share Posted December 8 >>Are you in the military?I grew up on more AirForce bases than I care to recall-5th grade 3 states- 1 yr.>>Do you support the war in Afghanistan?YES , btw where is O.Bin.Ladin- Bush doesn`t care>>Do you know that he would have went to war with Iraq as well?Ahh no we already were at war, a war over lies. WMD? let me look under the table.... LOL as people are dying- remember that comment from our great leader? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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